The PS3 price at launch was five hundred ninety-nine US dollars and the ceo or someone bragged that you'll need a second job to afford the console. Peak "arrogant sony".
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Official PlayStation Next-Gen plans (2020, Wired Exclusive Article) [ Ray Tracing, BC, SSD, & more]
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See now, if people posted "it would be a mistake for Sony to announce the PS5 at $750", then the comparison to the PS3 reveal of "five hundred and ninety-nine US dollars" would make sense.
I'm not sure but someone earlier in the thread said around 4x increase. Don't quote me on that. I can't find it in 70 pages *sweats*
About what I expected (including the release year :P), as in the actual future of gaming, flying in the face of certain out of touch giant tech companies.
I was hoping no raytracing, though, 1st gen RT just isn't worth it, in my opinion. But hey, I'll take it anyway.
I was hoping no raytracing, though, 1st gen RT just isn't worth it, in my opinion. But hey, I'll take it anyway.
Not a chance. PSN profit is much better in long term. They can lose from selling at the beginning but overtime they can produce consoles cheaper to make up
It was posted some pages ago and in the other thread too. It was even added to OP:
There is even dedicated thread only for this info in era.
They didn't specify their partner. It may be some dedicated company or their own fabrication.
Kinda a shrug at this point. Don't know what to make of 3D audio, it's a thing that already exists that I don't really see dedicated hardware really making it that much better. I think it's something that will come off in a few demos on high-end headphones and will promptly be forgotten after launch. I don't expect much from ray-tracing either, I'd be surprised if AMD is getting what nvidia is right now on their high-end cards and even that isn't quite there yet, will make a good Polyphony demo though. SSD sounds nice but also expensive, 1TB of NVMe is a couple hundred in the PC market so without a major breakthrough (which likely means non-proprietary economies of scale) I don't see this working with the current system and still maintaining a good price ($500?). Now, if Sony got devs to buckle down, compress their assets and stop shipping redundant data at the same time then maybe we'd have something.
I'm much more interested in what else they got. Like controllers and maybe what a next-gen Sony VR looks like. I dunno, I need something more surprising I guess.
I'm much more interested in what else they got. Like controllers and maybe what a next-gen Sony VR looks like. I dunno, I need something more surprising I guess.
Yes, I think the low end console could easily become an anchor around the platform's neck.
This is patently false. There is not always a 1:1 relationship between pixels drawn and FlOps. What if the game as designed uses half the compute simple simulating various aspects of the world and lighting, physics, sound, all decoupled from direct pixel shading?
1TB NVMe drives have been selling for ~$100 recently. A large buy for 18 months from now will bring the price per unit well below that.
This is a super weird way to reveal this stuff. I'm still sad they won't have an E3 conference this year.
At least BC sounds.. promising ? I still want at least ps1 and ps2 BC too but let's see what ends up happening.
At least BC sounds.. promising ? I still want at least ps1 and ps2 BC too but let's see what ends up happening.
The insane SSD is something I never would have expected as a cornerstone game changer of next gen. I thought there was a fair chance we got a cheap SSD that made loading faster and quieter, and helped keep up with increasing file-sizes. But this faster-than-anything, second-long loading monster? Never could have imagined it.
I totally see what Cerny is saying about it being a huge aspect of actual game design next gen (at least for first party) since you can piece together massive, insanely complex environments behind a single door. I mean, imagine the next God of War. I'm really really interested to see how those load times are utilized.
So glad to have Cerny behind this again. He is just so fucking brilliant.
I totally see what Cerny is saying about it being a huge aspect of actual game design next gen (at least for first party) since you can piece together massive, insanely complex environments behind a single door. I mean, imagine the next God of War. I'm really really interested to see how those load times are utilized.
So glad to have Cerny behind this again. He is just so fucking brilliant.
If this is what a baseline real time cutscene can look like on PS5 thanks to real time ray tracing, then we've finally arrived. Someone tell Cliffy B to head back Epic Games because his dream of real time Avatar is essentially here.
No more minute long walks through magic doorways, or having to spend another minute in that portal place if you wanted to switch realms.
So with these super fast load times will that fix the bottleneck of I/O in current systems ( as in streaming data in open world games)
Yeah pretty much.
Let's not have the opposite situation after PS4 was announced and specs were given. There were people claiming MS just havent disclosed its secret sauce yet.
Just accept that Xbox 5 X (I can't remember the codename) will be much more powerful at a higher pricepoint.
The SSD probably isn't the only factor involved in shorter load times
So what does this new fancy ssd mean when it comes to external storage options?
Will the system be smart enough to move a game from external storage to the local drive? Because if they are basing a lot of computing off of the drive, that external drive is going to muck things up.
Will the system be smart enough to move a game from external storage to the local drive? Because if they are basing a lot of computing off of the drive, that external drive is going to muck things up.
Sony we're NEVER gonna release clock speeds this far out when things of this nature can change later down the line, similar somewhat with memory. You just don't blow your load this far out from launch.
Kinda funny games had this opinion that there was a lack of fanfare and hype, and that it's odd Sony decided to randomly release this info with on online article.
Greg did counter though by saying when cerny introduced the ps4 and presented its specs he thought it was boring and more suited to a Internet interview/article.
It's funny because Cernys presentation was the favourite part for me and others at the time.
I would of thought games that use these super speedy load times will be required to be stored in the SSD, it won't work if games are stored on a traditional HDD.
There isn't really anything to suggest it will be more powerful though...just conjecture. Releasing at the same time, it is probably more likely that they are equivalent with MS having the weaker streaming model and Sony just having the pro.
They are nothing alike. Phil is saying it'll be more expensive and Cerny is saying pretty much nothing, just a very vague statement to not give anything away, but that it won't be something ridiculous.
I really don't know anymore which will be the most powerful anymore, I don't think it really matters to be honest.
I have been saying $499 for PS5 + anaconda but after reading what cerny said regarding price he does not not indicate anything it could be $399 just as much as $499 after what cerny said.
A lot of what cerny said is up for interpretation.
He said the PS5 will be no mere upgrade, well that statement covers a lot of potential specs regarding ram and gpu, that statement would apply to 16gb gddr6 + a 11tflop gpu, it would also apply to a 24gb ram + 14tflop spec, the former spec would be possible at $399, so it's easy to jump to conclusions based on this recent PS5 info.
Pretty much.
They should also be able to make Open World...hell all games be alot denser because they can stream more stuff in faster so no more sparse sections of the game because streaming everything in would take too long.
Spec wise the range topping Xbox will probabbly be higher, but the PS5s SSD will have a huge impact on what we actually see devs doing.
Right?? It would remove the need for so many of the tricks GoW used to make single-shot work.
And if it increases load times on BC games, as demoed with Spider-Man, you'd see the magic door pop up right away and the rainbow bridge doors would open right up. Exciting to think about replaying it like that.
I mean, of course not. But we're talking a 16x improvement on load times. There has literally never been a reduction that significant in the history of disc-based consoles. Cerny cites it himself as a revolutionary element that could notably affect game design. More and faster RAM, a bigger CPU jump than PS3->PS4, etc, all contributes, but at the end of the day it's this wild SSD that makes load times minimal enough to open up the way games are designed. I mean, think of how many narrative games have those slow bottleneck passages over and under obstacles just to give the system enough time to read from the HDD.
Sony said high end ssd. These cheap nvmes sacrifice performance for low cost by using QLC instead of faster Mlc/tlc nand. (nobody uses slc anymore)
And seems like they'd direction ssds are going, next gen ssds will be again sacrificing speed for cost.
High end are closer to 400 dollars.
Which really makes this Ssd claim super dubious, especially as better Ssds probably are not worth it.
Even best ssds use only about 20% of pcie 3, regular 10% ish. Only advantage would be need of only two lanes in pcie4 vs 4 in 3. (1 in 5 but zen 2 is pcie4 only, unless it changes).
And only situation where they would be starved for lanes would be dual gpu. Which probably isn't happening.
So I don't think that would give advantage only add unnecessary costs.
Man, I would love this. Such a small thing, but it would be so nice.
I don't want a USB dongle either.
If Im able to open up my previous ps3 psn purchases, I'll be over the moon! PAIN here i come!!
Hang on, are they saying their SSD solution is faster than a Samsung 970 Pro speeds at 3500MB/second read and 2700MB/second write ? That's crazy if that's true.
More than x4. Zen1 is x4 so you can imagine performance above that even.