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NHL PLAYOFFS |OT| PUCK THE PAIN AWAY
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Yea that cross-check was unnecessary but hardly vicious
Can't believe that decided the series
The underlying issue is that the CBA only punishes players for outcomes, not dangerous play. So while the cross-check was unnecessary, and the injury was a freak injury (99 times out of 100, he doesn't land on his head), the rulebook says that's worse than a head-hunting hit that misses.
The penalty was too harsh for the infraction, I agree, but that loss is all on Vegas. Even if you get a 5 minute major, there's no way that you should allow 4 straight goals within a span of 4 minutes. And Vegas had a chance to win it in OT but didn't.
That's not even mentioning the fact that they had a 3-1 series lead that they gave up.
That's not even mentioning the fact that they had a 3-1 series lead that they gave up.
Vegas blew a 3-1 series lead, Vegas lost a game on a short-handed goal, Vegas allowed 4 goals on a PK. Vegas deserved to lose, period.
I haven't really kept up with the Sharks this year but if this isn't the kind of shit that propels you to a final...
I haven't really kept up with the Sharks this year but if this isn't the kind of shit that propels you to a final...
Going to be an interesting thing to watch in game 1 with COL/SJ, CBJ/BOS and whoever wins tonight versus NYI. Teams really rested versus teams that have been running full throttle for the past two weeks.
I hope it does not cause the Sharks to lose to Colorado, would like to see them move on to at least to the Conference Finals.
Got a chance to watch the penalty again, it might not have been a penalty at all if Pavelski had not fallen so awkward. Worthy of a minor but not a major. To give up 4 goals on a five minute major is insane. There were only 4 power play goals total in all six games of the DAL/NSH series.
Tim Way Rule 609. Cross-Checking. ... (a) A minor or a major penalty shall be assessed for cross-checking an opponent. (b) A major plus a game misconduct penalty shall be assessed to any player who injures an opponent as a result of cross-checking .
I can go either way.
Eakin hits him in the arm and mid section. That play happens all the time. They also didn't call a penalty right away. They stopped the play because he was out cold. The penalty decision came after and was reactionary due to Pavelski being out. The refs blew the call.
When I watch the replay, I think it should have been two minors. Cross-checking for Eakin, and roughing for Stastny.
I don't care about either team, but holy shit what a garbage call. That's barely a minor and something that doesn't get called at all most of the time.
Still, no excuse for gaving up 4 PP goals in 5 minutes and blowing a 3-1 series lead.
It was a bad fall. Crosschecks happen on every damn play. That was *maybe* a 2 min minor. Maybe.
Hope he's alright tho damn.
Hope he's alright tho damn.
"They offered me a one-year deal worth one million. My gut was screaming: "Don't take it, you've got one chance, if it doesn't go well, you're done in the NHL!"
"I told my agent: 'I don't want to play in Detroit for Mike Babcock, I don't trust him. Call him back and tell him thank you, we'll get back to you.'
"My agent then told me the GM put a 15-minute time limit on the offer. I needed to make up my mind in 15 minutes or he was gonna pull the offer off the table. This was July 1st, free agency had just started 10 minutes prior. I called the GM and told him: 'Ken, Mike Commodore here, I like you, you're a good guy. Is it you who wants me or the coach?' Ken Holland said that he wanted me and so did Babcock. So I told him that I would love to play for Ken, and I would love to play for the red wings, but that I didn't trust the coach from previous experience. So I called the coach, by now I had 10 minutes left.
"I called him: 'Babs, Mike Commodore here. Please be honest with me, do you want me on your hockey team or not?' He said he did. I wanted to know if I'd get an opportunity. I told him I am not looking for anything special, but that I needed to know if I was gonna get a fair shot and a chance to play. He said 'I want you on my team. You will get a fair chance. We need someone physical on the back end with a right shot. I want you. You will play.'
"I hung up the phone, five minutes left. My gut screamed 'Say No!' This coach screwed me over nine years ago. He buried me in the paper after I had a good camp in Anaheim. He buried me so I would look bad so he could then play his boy from juniors who was an undrafted rookie at camp that year ... Kurt Sauer. Six years later when I finally had a chance to take a shot back at him publicly I did so in the paper when I was in Columbus. But then I started to think about Detroit, a good team, always makes the playoffs, get to play with great players, and about maybe getting the opportunity. So I took Mike Babcock's word and I signed the contract, thirty minutes into free agency. I signed the [expletive] contract faster than when I was a 'hot commodity' four years earlier. I was one of the first players gone that year in free agency. Off the board July 1st.
"I went to camp in Detroit, and got scratched out. I did injure my knee a bit so I missed couple of days in camp and the first four games. I got back as if it was nothing major. I came back, and the team won its first five games. I got scratched, but okay, the team was winning. We lost seven in a row, then I wasn't even close to playing. Scratch, scratch.
"Finally, it was mid-November,Ian White got a puck to the face and was going to miss a week, we went on a road trip. A four-game road trip, and I thought to myself that this was my chance. I played three games, no two games, I think, three minutes a night… The only time I touched the ice was when the fourth line was on, and the faceoff was in the neutral zone. I was opening the doors for Lidström, that's all I was doing, being a cheerleader.
"Bab then met with me, said he was calling up guys from minors, and scratched me until Christmas. Then the GM forced the coach to play me; I played fifteen games, I fought, I played the best I could with the ice time I was getting. And then I got traded (to Tampa) because Ken Holland felt bad. "
Maybe they wanted to go with a double minor (like a high stick with blood) but the rules state the next level up is a major. I guess I can understand that, Cross checking could be called constantly if they really wanted to right now in the NHL.
i made the worst hockey watching mistake of my life.. i decided to watch the Bruins game in the morning before leaving to work, fast-forwarded through it in 45mins and it was just a bad game, got nothing out of it really. WHILE the Sharks game was still on, the 3rd period... i could have watched it until the end and still made it to work in time. FML. i was so certain the goddamn Knights would take it, i didnt want to subject myself to it, and i had already missed the first 2 periods. argh why didnt i just change the game and see whats up, good god... the regret. its killing me.
wasnt it a Nylander turnover? i dunno, boring game anyway, hard to remember details.
the Isles did almost the exact same thing to Detroit last year. yeah i know two teams no one cares about, but it happened. 5min major late in the 3rd, Isles score 3 fast ones to tie it up, then the OT winner. i lost my shit watching it live.
oh wait it was 4 (!!!) goals on the same PP, hahah. Detroit still tied it up, then Isles finished it in OT.
wasnt it a Nylander turnover? i dunno, boring game anyway, hard to remember details.
the Isles did almost the exact same thing to Detroit last year. yeah i know two teams no one cares about, but it happened. 5min major late in the 3rd, Isles score 3 fast ones to tie it up, then the OT winner. i lost my shit watching it live.
oh wait it was 4 (!!!) goals on the same PP, hahah. Detroit still tied it up, then Isles finished it in OT.
My brief interactions with Babcock were always shitty. Just seemed like an arrogant asshole to anyone.
I'm not getting why people are like "well Vegas shouldn't have let in four goals in four minutes." That's called as a minor, it's 3-1 Vegas, and game goes on at 5v5 where Vegas had the edge in nearly all cases: http://moneypuck.com/g.htm?id=2018030187
Without a doubt Gallant should have called a timeout after one or two given the hand he was dealt, and ultimately you gotta play and not choke a series and goal lead, but I don't think I agree that we can say the Shorks scoring for is a forgone conclusion without the major.
Without a doubt Gallant should have called a timeout after one or two given the hand he was dealt, and ultimately you gotta play and not choke a series and goal lead, but I don't think I agree that we can say the Shorks scoring for is a forgone conclusion without the major.
Basically what im saying. Sharks don't get that major, they don't win
I don't think it's that simple.
That said, Vegas had a major PK fail, how many teams in the history of the NHL have had 4 goals scored against them on one major penalty? And they still had a chance to win in OT which they failed to do.
That might account for the Sharks winning Game 7 but not the series.
Vegas doesnt cross check a guy in the face and cause an injury, they dont get that 5 minute major.
I am kinda stuck here. I have tickets for Avengers tomorrow night at 11pm which will no doubt start before the Stars game is over. The next day I could possibly see it is Wednesday which looking at the calendar is likely going to be Game 4. Unless they get a 2 day break inbetween one of the games, which doesnt seem likely.
Probably going to cancel my tickets for tomorrow night for the Avengers.
Probably going to cancel my tickets for tomorrow night for the Avengers.
I'm not going to say it was a good call. I will say it makes up for the bad call that happened in Game 2. The series could have been different if the terrible call in Game 2 wasn't called so this to me makes up for that. Plus despite the call, Vegas still blew a 3-1 series lead and they blew a 3-0 goal lead in just a couple minutes. It's not like it was a one goal game and that made the difference. There was a huge gap to overcome still and they did it.
I also kind of could like to see Joe have a good last run. Not sure how many years he has left.
True, im not gonna downplay what an insane effort it was to come back like that.
I know you're being sarcastic but Vegas had Games 5 and 6 to close out.
So what was the deal with Vegas this year anyways? They added Patches, Stastny and Stone (at the deadline) and didn't lose too much from last year (Just Perron mostly?). Fleury was healthier this season too but they end up with 16 less points and out in the first round? Did they hit a bad injury bug somewhere along the way or did the league just catch up to them?
Last year they had the lovable underdog role. This year they had expectations. That's the biggest difference.
Yea that was definitely not a major penalty, but I don't think it's out of the question that the Sharks would still be able to come back. 4 goals in 5 minutes is an unbelievable collapse.
They got off to a pretty poor start to the season while Nate Schmidt was suspended, which probably accounts for most of that difference in the regular season. They were really good for most of the rest of the season after that, aside from a fairly weak February. And they were only eliminated in the first round by the narrowest of margins in just about the craziest way imaginable.
They overachieved last year for sure, but this season solidified that they are generally a good team and not a weird fluke.
Gary Bettman confirmed VGK will not be part of the expansion draft for Seattle
They're still exempt though, which is bullshit in my opinion.
Completely exempt seems kinda crazy, maybe a different structure but they will be going into their 5th full season that year. Seems like enough time.
they didn't expect them to have such a stacked team by now.
I wonder if they can even amend it or if its something in a contract with the league and VGK ownership.
So the GM's saw that this was the fair thing despite what fans have to say about it. $$$$ wins in the end