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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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All new features of controllers? Really all features? People really forget things. Sony says new features of controllers, SSD speed demo, partial install, and confirms ray tracing hardware for audio/visual. MS did show some pictures and give a number of 12. But none of the two companies give concrete specs, and MS even doesn't announce the other new console Lockhart.
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Even that I'm trying to take what MS said at value. It is their most powerful console ever doesn't mean that it will be the most powerful (TF wise even) come this holiday season. We just don't know, hell they could be confident cause 12TF RDNA2 is solid period and even if Sony does go higher it can't be by much. You could be right, but I'm trying not to speculate too much based on what the other guy is doing. It's hard enough to speculate on what one company is doing based on their info drips let alone putting another variable into the mix.
this podcaste gave more details about the XsX than the 2 ps5 wired article together
and plus we have this
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.www.xbox.com
Yea. Forgot some of the other details than just the 12TF. I guess I'd say yes we know more about the Series X now, but people are also acting like all we know about the PS5 is the logo, which is pretty far off.
Yep, imho it is pretty much confirmed now the XSX has the higher flop count. Will be interesting to see the pricing strategy of both and comparisons of other hardware aspects.
Hopefully Sony announces something today for an even tomorrow of some sort
they did not announce the "other new console lockhart" because it is only rumors. theres no official word it is going to be release with XsX.
And the only concrete evidence it is even real is that at E32018 Phil said they are working on new consoles.. since then it's only rumors.
All of your reasoning is quite sound but I'm trying to keep from the speculation train because it just turns into a rabbit hole of pastbins and dodgy reddit threads, that being said would love to be able to pre order the series x and have it out of the way in case there's supply issues.
But that console doesn't even officially exist. We're not even sure they will announce Lockhart. They might cancel it today, it's barely worth talking about let alone putting in a list of things MS hasn't shown yet.
Listen to this podcast and you will see, as of today, we have much more info about XsX than PS5
Yes I agree we don't know, but people like to be so sure of themselves with zero evidence.
Welcome to the console wars, even I am guilty of it sometimes. If you you look at my post history I am clearly an Xbox guy, although I have conversations with my brother (who is a PlayStation guy) about this stuff all the time. I think that helps me keep things into perspective and helps me get excited about what my preferred ecosystem is doing without having to put any other ecosystem down. I hope both are going to be excellent because the competition only makes everything better. I don't think MS could have turn everything around so well without the success of Playstation.
Oh I'm not gonna go down that hole, believe me, lol. I do believe that PR, how it is worded, and how it is rolled out, is very noteworthy however. These kinds details aren't revealed carelessly - they are done with careful purpose. And that goes almost as much for what they choose not to say, versus what they do.
Likewise, if you've got your Twitter accounts being cheeky enough that they are posting flexing arm emojis and posting tweets defining what a teraflop is - that says something about your internal confidence, as it regards that specific part of the specs sheet.
Ultimately we "know" nothing, of course. But I'd put $5 on it.
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PS5 Pro could launch alongside PS5 according to this rumor
"The aim is for PS5 and PS5 Pro to be released simultaneously"
Zenji Nishikawa a Japanese journalist it dates back to september 19 2019.
So why could Sony not have a Premium or Pro model while Xbox can have two?
I see some people jumping to the conclusion saying that it's not possible and I look at their past posts they seem to be Microsoft employees or the biggest fans there.
If PS5 has two models
Why not , because there is no leak of that?
I think it could be. While there was always a rumor that Microsoft could make two, Sony might have copied the idea.
Remember with authenticating your games on Xbox. Sony was planning the same too, but they never mentioned it and never implemented it.
I just read the rules and I'm good, not gonna sport a shitty avatar till the end of the year or even longer, lol.
Yup I also want both to be as good as possible so in the end it's about the games not the specs.
PS5 Pro could launch alongside PS5 according to this rumor
"The aim is for PS5 and PS5 Pro to be released simultaneously"www.gamesradar.com
Zenji Nishikawa a Japanese journalist it dates back to september 19 2019.
So why could Sony not have a Premium or Pro model while Xbox can have two?
I see some people jumping to the conclusion saying that it's not possible and I look at their past posts they seem to be Microsoft employees or the biggest fans there.
If PS5 has two models
I would be shocked if AMD didnt also show Sony the same solution MS is using for XBX and Lockheart.
But if they where using it, surely we would know by now? Someone other then 1 guy in Japan would have said as much.
A 9.2TF 36CU PlayStation 5 in November 2020 (Assuming no COVID-2019 delay)
A 17+TF 72CU PlayStation 5 Pro in November 2023
Same time line as November 2013 PS4 to November 2016 PS4 Pro.
Just looking at the hardware and some of the features I'd say Xbox has revealed a little more, but there's lots still unknown
PS5:
GPU - Custom Navi
SOC -
RT - Hardware acceleration
RAM -
CPU - 7nm Zen 2, 8 core 16 thread
SSD - Fastest (as of April 2019)
BC - PS4 confirmed
Console -
Controller - adaptive triggers, advanced haptics, no visual
XSX:
GPU - 12 TF, Custom RDNA 2, VRS
SOC - Phil's twitter
RT - Hardware acceleration
RAM - GDDR6
CPU - Zen 2
SSD - Custom SSD
BC - XB1 confirmed, OG and 360 same as exists on XB1
Console - Game Awards
Controller - Game Awards. share button added, new dpad
I'd also say that Xbox in general has talked about their console much more.
PS5: Two wired articles, some info at CES 2020
XSX: Teased E3 2018, announced E3 2019, multiple interviews E3 2019 (Phil on GB, etc), Game Awards reveal + Gamespot articles, SOC pictures posted on twitter, Article from this week + Major Nelson Podcast.
PS5 Pro could launch alongside PS5 according to this rumor
"The aim is for PS5 and PS5 Pro to be released simultaneously"
Zenji Nishikawa a Japanese journalist it dates back to september 19 2019.
So why could Sony not have a Premium or Pro model while Xbox can have two?
I see some people jumping to the conclusion saying that it's not possible and I look at their past posts they seem to be Microsoft employees or the biggest fans there.
If PS5 has two models
Why not , because there is no leak of that?
I think it could be. While there was always a rumor that Microsoft could make two, Sony might have copied the idea.
Remember with authenticating your games on Xbox. Sony was planning the same too, but they never mentioned it and never implemented it.
I don't think that we'll see two PS5s purely based on the fact that nothing seems to have leaked from testing documents or driver diving that points to a second model, while evidence of the other three consoles has been turned up, and evidence of PS5 specifically has been found several times over.
It's not impossible that Sony could surprise us, but it strikes me as highly improbable that they will.
This.
It's so much more than TF. XSX is going to be an absolute beast. No doubt about it and I can't wait to pick one up. The PS5 may be slightly less powerful in the TF front, but there are features announced for the PS5 that have me super excited.
3D audio sounds amazing, as does the haptic feedback DS5 and of course that sweet, sweet SSD.
Just wish Sony would hurry up and reveal it already. That goes for MS as well with a more in depth reveal. Bring on the next gen. I'm ready!
i just want sony to say something at thus point, anything, even if its just that the ps5 is delayed until q1 2021 or something
I don't think any company actually knows that answer at this point. Too much time and too many unknowns right now.
Huh; must have missed this.. Sony confirmed custom Navi?
edit: Oh that's right RDNA 2 is Navi right? So that just means "custom modern AMD GPU" which might be RDNA 2
I don't see any chance of them waiting a year to launch Lockhart. Maybe a month or two.
I'll think they'll say something soon. The good news is that there really aren't that many months until e3. I'd be surprised if they make is past April without saying something.
I'm 100% agreeing with you.
Just look at RDR2 on One X vs Pro. The experience is some way ruined on Pro with some drop below 30fps. One X seems at 30fps all the time with a better image quality/resolution.
from the first wired article:
about the rdna2 = Navi. can't aswner.. i'm not that tech navy.
They have. They launched a website that says they're not ready to talk just yet. Their financial call said their reveal timeline is similar to last time.
From the first Wired article:
RDNA is the architecture featured in the line of Navi GPUs found in the 5500/5700 Radeon products. Technically, Sony has only ever referred to their GPU as being Navi based, they've never mentioned "RDNA" - not that that really means anything.
Your joking if you think they would be in court if they stated they had the most powerful console in history? Which NDA would they be breaking? Non
It's the only solid proof we have directly from AMD.
it was also pulled from google drive by AMDtaken down notice.
a lot of the other things in the leak have been accurate such as none console chips
there are other things that imply the leak is real but we don't have all the data DrKeo and DukeBlueBall can explain this far better than I.
PS5 is 54 CU.
The Github leak was testing BC modes, with "native" mode meaning a test at native clock speed, not CU count. Or in other words, a boost mode for PS4 Pro titles.
That's my theory anyway. Probably wrong, mind, but logically it works I guess?
The Github leak was testing BC modes, with "native" mode meaning a test at native clock speed, not CU count. Or in other words, a boost mode for PS4 Pro titles.
That's my theory anyway. Probably wrong, mind, but logically it works I guess?
What if the 36CU chip is for the Base PS5? What if they are aiming for 6tf for it?
The Pro model could have 56?
Because they do seem to be legit leaks even though the lack of context means that we shouldn't read too much into them.
But, it's not just those, it's also the work of the likes of Komachi and Rogame that I'd have expected to turn up some evidence of a second console existed.
So do you believe that Sparkman, the rumored Lockhart APU, has 56 CUs? Because this is in that data.
That's inaxurate as it was directly copied from Arden. Sparkman and Arden has no testing done on GitHub they were placeholder.
Again, not impossible, but just seems unlikely that this could all have been done with nobody noticing when so much was noticed for the other model.
I don't remember seeing anything about their financial call. That would mean it's still late February-early March then, right?
Can we be sure though that the tests and leaks include the latest, revision versions or that it was not some kind of compatibility test for other purposes.
So what if PS5 turns out to have some other specifications then the test/leak results or is that not possible.
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