In January 2019?
In that time, anyone who says we gonna have a 12TF console, was called crazy... so there´s that...
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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In January 2019?
In that time, anyone who says we gonna have a 12TF console, was called crazy... so there´s that...
Its either legit or a very lucky guess. Maybe this poster should buy some lotto tickets if he was making stuff up.
To preface this post: I don't know what is or isn't true, nor does the final outcome matter much as I will buy both regardless. With that said, for me me right now, the information I have and and the predictions being thrown around for Sony don't completely add up. Additionally, I apologize if this isn't as precisely worded or put well together as I would like, I am typing it while multitasking some work stuff.
- We have the github leak and the data contained within (not saying the information in it is final or definitive). Their are chips in there that line up what MS just informed us of yesterday (Arden), and then there is the chip that has been associated with Sony for over a year now(Ariel/Oberon).
- We are approaching the time frame where these companies are heading to production and the chips are mostly final yet we still don't have any evidence of a different chip associated with Sony. Indicating at the very least the github info was accurate at some point.
- In December we had a predicted BOM for the Series X being around ~$500 ($460-$520)
- We had the recent story that due to supply issues Sony's BOM has risen to ~$450. Implying that it was lower than this prior to the supply issues. Logically these same supply issues would apply to MS and drive up their cost as well (assuming similar parts are being used)
- Sony is alleged to have a faster SSD and have made comments that this is their focus heading into next gen
So just trying to parse all of these things out within the context of a console (fixed budget, trade offs to hit price points etc) its hard for me to get to a point where Sony has a better SSD, more bandwidth, and more power etc but has a lower BOM than MS. If it is better than the Series X in every way, it would be more expensive.
My gut just tells me that Sony traded some raw power for other system aspects like the better SSD. MS traded some SSD speed for more raw power. Each will have their benefits and we will see some things on each that play to their strengths.
- We have the github leak and the data contained within (not saying the information in it is final or definitive). Their are chips in there that line up what MS just informed us of yesterday (Arden), and then there is the chip that has been associated with Sony for over a year now(Ariel/Oberon).
- We are approaching the time frame where these companies are heading to production and the chips are mostly final yet we still don't have any evidence of a different chip associated with Sony. Indicating at the very least the github info was accurate at some point.
- In December we had a predicted BOM for the Series X being around ~$500 ($460-$520)
- We had the recent story that due to supply issues Sony's BOM has risen to ~$450. Implying that it was lower than this prior to the supply issues. Logically these same supply issues would apply to MS and drive up their cost as well (assuming similar parts are being used)
- Sony is alleged to have a faster SSD and have made comments that this is their focus heading into next gen
So just trying to parse all of these things out within the context of a console (fixed budget, trade offs to hit price points etc) its hard for me to get to a point where Sony has a better SSD, more bandwidth, and more power etc but has a lower BOM than MS. If it is better than the Series X in every way, it would be more expensive.
My gut just tells me that Sony traded some raw power for other system aspects like the better SSD. MS traded some SSD speed for more raw power. Each will have their benefits and we will see some things on each that play to their strengths.
The post is from January 2019, not this year. We only got confirmation of cross gen from MS recently.
Every mode on Gears of War except for split screen coop runs 60 FPS on the One X. The campaign stays mostly locked at 4k/60 FPS throughout with some drops in busy scenes, but usually only as low as low 50's.
Now if you are playing the One S then you are getting a locked 30 FPS. I don't think you were trying to compare graphics on the base systems though, but if you were then you are right that the PS4 dominated the Xbox One and One S in graphical fidelity
All those numbers could be guessed at so accurately well over a year ago?
At this point I'm curious on what the power differences will represent if it's true about PS5. Ive always owned a PS, but If it's not a big difference then it may not affect my buying decision, but if the difference is noticable, it's going to make me think twice about which one I want to get.
This post make no sense .
We should forget about people that have been right in the past and know info because you think so ?
Klee gave hard numbers for both which something others were not doing .
People were saying SSD, RT , 12 TF 2 plus years ago in this thread .
Your forgot Reiner - but why should we forget people verified here, and also whose we know their civil identity ?
And I find funny that you ask why they didn't come again in that snakepit, because you are the answer.
Sure, things can change, but changing an APU is one of those things where changing it and still hitting a holiday 2020 release date is impractical unless the change was made years in advance. Also, I only put stock in these insiders because Jason from Kotaku was pretty much in agreement with them and his reputation as a credible and reliable journalist cannot be questioned. So either Jason, and everyone else, got bad info, misinterpreted the info they got, or were outright lying. I find that hard to believe.
I mean, it's possible, but it goes against what any insider has said. We can be reasonably confident (thanks to the GitHub leak) that at one point about a year ago, Sony had a chip that was operating around that level. But we are also confident that the console was supposed to release in Holiday 2019 and things may have changed when they took a year delay.
Errrrmmmm, they actually are. Your GPU's main job is to output pixels, the more the better, and more is actually better resolution.
If you can output that at 60fps, even better.
I'm suggesting this person might have had access to what became the GitHub leak before that info was leaked.
Because it's pretty damn similar.. right down to "not knowing if PS5 has RT."
Or it's just total BS lol
Ishida has been doing this every few weeks, coming here just to tell people to forget about insiders because no actual reasons other than "I'm not liking that things can change".
Wait, who are the current people saying Series X is far more powerful? I must have missed something.
That article needs to be taken with some grains of salt. First their source is the YouTuber RedGamingTech, and second the gains come from a mixture of architecture improvement and increased cores. In reality we don't know exactly what architecture efficiency improvements will look like from RDNA1 to RDNA2 because AMD had not even introduced RDNA2 to the world yet, and there are no released products using it in the wild yet
But would bluepoint be making a ps5 exclusive of they were being acquired?
No Tflops no one gives it, this is taboo and I don't even know what the guy means by different memory architecture.
I don't believe they are lying. But there's a pretty big probability that the info they got was either old, incorrect, or some developer actually believes that 8 or 9 Tfps are not much of a difference to 12.
Every single leak that includes numbers and has gotten other things right put the PS5 in a huge disadvantage. The only people who claim otherwise are just making that, claiming.
Now, I'm not saying I believe the final PS5 will not reach double digits, just stating that it's is VERY possible that Microsoft caught Sony with their pants down this next gen. And most leaks and info seem to confirm that.
Accurate specs (for Xbox, ps5 is still TBD), and even the name "Xbox X" LOL. It's not bullshit.
Please show me the leaks for this ?
The only leak we have for PS5 is github.
When it comes from numbers we get from Tom and Klee with Tom never talking about PS5.
Possible, but i think the loss would be too big for Sony, i think both will be $500, maybe Microsoft will shock us with 599, but i cannot see Sony doing that ever again.
So where is the proof that PS5 >10TF per Klee? And yeah he was not surprised that it was 12TF that was a leak coming out of GDC 2019. IF you want a source here is the article from Digital Foundry from April 2019 that says that Microsoft is building a 12TF monster.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-is-amd-gonzalo-the-ps5-processor-in-theory
I am not calling the guy a liar, but it was not like he had any bit of information prior to anyone else talking about. If you can find something he said before anyone else then I would feel a lot better about using him as an insider.
This is what Schrier said about the specs after people were quoting him on the Stadia thing:
"This is why I don't post here often: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...aiming-higher-than-10-7-teraflops-gpu.107952/
Anyway, I don't know for sure what next-gen specs will look like. I have no idea how many teraflops there'll be. A dev recently told me that a lot of people within studios are just making assumptions based on limited information, and that one of the assumptions is that everything's going to be twice as powerful. "
What he has said repeatedly is that if he deems something worthy of an accurate story you will see it on kotaku and not here. He was also unhappy that people were discussing "mischaracterizations of things said" on Splitscreen.
So if you actually have an article from his website that details the specs of the PS5 then feel free to link them in a reply.
You are exaggerating. How many posts do I have on this thread or the previous ones? I have posted about this at most twice in the past. And for a set of threads that seem to go in circles I don't think a couple of posts about being skeptical is too much.
But the only thing showing the maybe difference is GitHub. All you are really saying is fuck the others only believe the GitHub.
There is no old information, they said that 2 months ago.
Nothing has change if they are wrong they are wrong, saying they cant be trusted because of old information is not even close to true.
They either lie or were fed wrong information, until then they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
To be fair DF found all aspects of the github leak credible and Ledbetter said he verified with an independent source.
^Because there is still context missing wrt Github.
Of course, this is the way.
Of course, this is the way.
Yes. Everyone is lying. Trust no one. Especially people with sources in the dev studios. Half a dozen journalists all lying.
Do trust github leaks that happened because an intern was stupid enough to put sensitive testing data in a public folder.
no. He said he independently verified the source meaning he downloaded the github folder himself. Just like everyone here.
They only verified that the data is genuine, meaning, not doctored. Not that it's the PS5 chip specs.
When the specs for PS5 out and if over 10 then he would be right .
More than one person has access to info but Klee has been right with PS5 having RT both systems being RDNA .
Now that we get numbers for MS he was right with them being over 10 RDNA.
I'm pretty sure this was the first leak to mention 12 tfs and raytracing. It's also not that crazy of a list of studios since we just recently got confirmation that MS actually were in talks with Platinum..
Well if it were only you doing that then I'd agree. But plenty of others are as well.
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Is there a good chance Sony could release a PS5 Pro in 4 years or so in order to get close to the Series X?
Jason is one of my favorite persons in the industry. I would never, ever call him a liar in any way, shape or form. But I do believe there is a possibility that whoever his source is, perhaps there could be a misunderstanding in the information.
Anyways, I think this will be my last post on the topic. I'm actually not the kind of person who loves to rain in anyone's parade. I will only buy the PS5, I have no interest in the Series X at all. So if both consoles end up being close in power I will be a very happy camper. Just keeping my expectations severely in check.
Sorry if my posts ruined the fun. It was not my intention.
He verified that it came from AMD servers. He didn't verify the information contained within it or what it related to. However the argument was never that it was fake just that it wasn't in context with anything.
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