To be fair from memory he said the calc was correct but the guess was wrong.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT7| - nm
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To be fair from memory he said the calc was correct but the guess was wrong.
Sarcasm. I didn't add the "/s" because it doesn't seem like anyone in this thread is using it anymore.
OMG. 12-14 tflops confirmed.
Team 14 tflops Assemble!
P.S I am not taking any of this with a big grain of salt. this is happening folks. Kleegamfan said they will be using GPUs more powerful than the current AMD GPUs way back in August. The wccftech guy has reported this multiple times going back to june of last year. Redgamingtech's source on twitter said the same thing recently about consoles using a bigger GPU. if we apply the gonzalo or even the oberon clocks, we get to that magical 14 tflops number. if the CUs are lower than 56, we are still looking at 12 tflops minimum which should be equivalent to a rtx 2080.
P.P.S time to go full truther and revive Team HBM2 and start Team Re-Ram. If 12-14 tflops is possible, why not Re-RAM. klee did say that his source got visibly uncomfortable when he brought up Sony's SSD solution.
As much as I don't expect 14TF or ReRAM to materialize (still reppin' for my TeamHBM2E), man, your hype and enthusiasm is infectious, AegonSnake.
I really can't wait for the console reveals next-year, in part because of the hype posters like yourself will generate, lol... Love it!
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As an aside, I'm really curious by the sheer number of post and silly drive-bys calling out the hyperbole and insanity of the anti-lockheart arguments. Outside of a very small number of outlier posts, I don't see much hyperbole or "next-gen doomed" posts in this thread.
The vast majority are pretty rationally debating the potential ramifications of a significantly lowered next-gen baseline. Where the otherside's arguments are half-rational and half drowned out by, "lol, people are having meltdowns over lockhart... REALLLY!?!?" that don't seem to follow any logical basis in the reality of the responses within this thread.
Didn't you also?... Stay classy, Tom.
It's not just TFlops, it's an underpowered GPU as a whole, which includes texture units, ROPs, bandwidth, etc. All tied to the number of CUs.
Then there's the RAM, which would be smaller in Lockhart.
Anyway, if Microsoft has two consoles, lets say console A is "100" and console B is "30" and Sony's single console, the PS5, is "90" which one do you think will get the most impressive games?
Then there's the RAM, which would be smaller in Lockhart.
Anyway, if Microsoft has two consoles, lets say console A is "100" and console B is "30" and Sony's single console, the PS5, is "90" which one do you think will get the most impressive games?
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Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two
Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart
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Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two
Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart
lol things change. He was just not knowing Lockhart make a comeback. And he is far to be the only one. Some devs were not knowing it.
Klee said it was dead just the other day after tomwarren reconfirmed.confused what you reposting an article from June means?Microsoft is only launching one next-generation Xbox, not two
Rumors suggested a second console codenamed Lockhart
Means things chance. Don't act like you know more than someone else if you've also had outdated and wrong info before as well.
LOL he said it was back days ago and klee disagreed repeatedly what are you talking about? furthermore apparently it's been back on for a while anyway.
The first party games on the 100 would also need to run on the 30.
Since someone did a typo earlier in the thread and called the thing a lackhard every time I see Lockhart written my mind will make lackhard out of it..
As it should be ..
As it should be ..
He was not knowing, that's all. At least he knows the target specs but things change and before reveal it will probably change a bit again.
Because as far as he knew, it was still dead, as so did his developer source. He said he would get back to us on this.
So we are now just attacking Klee because MS informed devs very recently of a change that he wasn't aware of yet?
This comment is uncalled for.
I'm just going to listen to spotify, get a cup of coffee so I can do this when reading the dumb callouts
Perception of the reactions to Lockhart is probably influenced by the posters' own baseline. And/or the population of their ignore list.
Not everyone has Uncle Phil on speed dial for the hot PR drops.
So they downscale from the 100.
Ms is going to want their first party games to look and play as good as they possibly can. Worst case they remove some features, like fh2 on the 360 and the one.
Yep, and did it in a way that probably ticked off someone like Tom I imagine.
He questioned Tom Warren sources doubled down on his own sources. That comment is warranted.
At worst, it just generates toxicity we really don't need on this forum.
We already have posters like, Tonky, making "fake insider" accusations.
Please folks, lets avoid this kind of shit.
Not really. Hyperbole has a pretty broadly accepted definition. And the cited "next-gen doomed because of Lockhart" posts, being called out as an example of such simply aren't present here in any meaningful quantity to warrant the sheer volume and frequency of call-outs.
It seems more to me that some posters would like to suppress any debate on potentially negative ramifications of Lockhart by mis-characterising the posts of posters engaging in rational debate by lumping them in with the small handful of kneejerk posts saying "fuck lockhart" (posted when the news first broke).
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When Tom Warren posted that information it was correct. When Klee said Lockhart was still dead it was literally right after Warren said Lockhart was back. Your point doesn't make sense.
Maybe they should use some discretion and prudence then.
You said the same.
He never did that though. Might want to check his post history.
I also edited my post to add "\s" :)
I thought everyone was aware of the "fake insiders will be exposed" meme
Those of us crazy enough to visit places like this starved for any information definitely welcome tidbits from wherever, but it is also quite clear that nobody has a full picture on next generation yet that isn't sitting right in the offices of either Microsoft or Sony.
Im worried Phil, this kind of stupid shit makes not buy an Xbox at launch like this gen. This is causing me to worry games will be held back. I hope at the reveal they can calm these fears. I hope their messaging is clear and they convey what they are trying to achieve with two consoles.
Which in 10 minutes become a hot one with people picking side and attacking each others.
I really wish I bookmarked the thread back when news came that Lockhart was canceled and Klobrille and hmqgg were accused of peddling false info. It'd be interesting to see how peoples' perspectives of insiders have changed.
He doubled down on the inaccuracy of Lockhart being cancelled after Tom Warren told us otherwise, are you debating that that didn't happen?
Him not being aware of changes is fine... things change but instead he doubled down on the opposite direction which I take it as he reconfirmed with his source.
That's why it's really important to read things properly.
" Kleegamefan said Lockhart was still dead."
Tom Warren broke the news and didn't double down to refute a better connected insider.
Who knows if Klee even read the damn articles about it still being a thing. For all we know, he just browses these forums on his spare time.
I am consistently blown away by how realistic Death Stranding looks already. I was watching some horizon vids recently and its shocking how cartoonish it looks compared to DS.
I cant believe its the same engine. to me, this is an uncharted 1 to uncharted 2 quality leap within a single generation. everything from the character models, the skin shaders, the draw distance and the lighting has gotten a massive upgrade. the lighting especially has that gran turismo feel. the lighting simply looks a cut above anything else on the market.
HZD was never going for a realistic look .
When they were making the game they said they wanted hyper realistic look.
Which is why the colours look so bright even at night etc etc .
Ignore me. I'm a dumb Parrot who now identifies as a Cat.
Now explain to me how people, after that, can post that pubs should abandon Xbox. Just How.
you seem to misunderstand. Forza Horizon 2 360 and Xbox One were two different games. One was a port of the other. From what we understand this can't be the case for Lockhart/Anaconda. It has to be one game playable on both platforms- so "removing features" does not work. You can't just remove cars, have a smaller map, etc. It has to be the same thing across both platforms- much like there is no distinction between Xbox One and Xbox One X versions of a game.
By having the "30" system exist, you restrict what can be done on the "100" system. And as discussed, "scaling down" is way harder than "scaling up." The "30" version would have to be the default with the "100" system adding better framerate, resolution, and effects on top of that. A game built for a "90" system with no compromises would blow that out of the water.
This is the issue.
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