Sure but that's just saying it's in the same pipeline but nothing about the relative increase. Pre-RTRT units would presumably still be smaller, it's just a different (possibly better imo) approach than NVIDIA.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation |OT10| - We aim to transition those from OT9 at a pace never seen before. [SEE THREADMARKS FOR CHANCE AT GLORY]
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Why are unnamed insiders being taken more seriously than named ones (Jez, Tom) when it comes to XsX TFlops? We have multiple and reliable sources stating MS is hitting 12TF (plus Phil himself in some ways) vs "people with dev kits" all over the map regarding where Sony sits and how they compare to MS (9.2TF, >10, "basically the same).
Why does the desire for PS5 specs have to take away from the educated MS specs? It's funny to read people's "assurance" that MS can't be 12tf (again, a theory more supported than not) and then see "9.2TF PS5 is possible because a separate RT chip will make the gains" with no back-up to that claim (that I've seen outside of era->internet->era).
Speculation is fun, but throwing doubt just to one-up each other is kind of lame.
Also, and a bit of a swerve admittedly - does/will Switch Pro stuff ever factor into this thread? Ninty hasn't attempted the "Power Crown" since GC, so they're the great unknown at this point...
Why does the desire for PS5 specs have to take away from the educated MS specs? It's funny to read people's "assurance" that MS can't be 12tf (again, a theory more supported than not) and then see "9.2TF PS5 is possible because a separate RT chip will make the gains" with no back-up to that claim (that I've seen outside of era->internet->era).
Speculation is fun, but throwing doubt just to one-up each other is kind of lame.
Also, and a bit of a swerve admittedly - does/will Switch Pro stuff ever factor into this thread? Ninty hasn't attempted the "Power Crown" since GC, so they're the great unknown at this point...
Just why would he over promise and create unneeded backlash ? There is not a single good reason why . He would ask them to fix the gpu specs instead of tweeting them if they were not 12 Navi TF
Its way easier to walk back a retweet, Only the super duper hardcore are following shit like that
Agreed. Plus it would put the consoles within close range of each other which is ideal.
Yes, that's why people are estimating 7-10% increase currently. We have no data on AMD solution.
I don't see any legitimate insiders going to the other site to reveal information. That place is dead in the eyes of those involved in the video game industry after the fallout. Its either going to be in a topic-specific subreddit or the premier video game discussion area on the internet, ResetERA. Not talking about random anonymous leaks, but insiders sharing their insights or participating in discussion.
In the yearning for more information, we shouldn't take it from anywhere. It's clear Jez has connections, but it's also clear he's a bit of a fan boy. Perhaps even a professional one. I'm not one to take him at his word without someone else confirming something the way I am about Jason. Just my own opinion.
Not really an unknown for Switch, they have to deal with severe heating issues with their hardware design, they only can do so much.
I'd say Jez gets a bad wrap mostly for his opinions on games such as saying things like Sea of Thieves is going to be the next pubg, but when it comes to info he's pretty spot on.....that being said Sea Of Thieves is a great game and deserves a second or even third chance for anyone who hasn't played in a while lol
Basically people aren't denying the 12 TF claim. They're saying they mean GCN, which when compared to the NAVI format is lower TF, closer to 9.
We won't really know for certain until, well, until we know more.
Dear Diary,
It's the 28th of January 2020. I woke with great hope and excitement expecting some news about the next generation of PlayStation. My disappointment continues. I shall live through another bitter day with no reveal day announcements.
Life goes on. :(
It's the 28th of January 2020. I woke with great hope and excitement expecting some news about the next generation of PlayStation. My disappointment continues. I shall live through another bitter day with no reveal day announcements.
Life goes on. :(
Right. People are stuck on these numbers. I mean, 10TF is freakin amazing!
Jez also gets a bad rap for signal boosting and being friends with a homophobe. See here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/wi...ople-to-follow-homophobic-toxic-gamer.123121/
His info may be legit, but I think quite a few people take issue with him in general.
On topic: If Sony is announcing anything this week, it's likely before Friday. Hopefully we see something from them soon, before people get even more antsy!
well, from a marketing standpoint it would make sense if it's not actually 12tf rdna, if you say the new console is "n" times more powerful than the old one, you would use the biggest multiplier possible, expecially considering how much vague is the term "power"
Good for them.
If you want to discuss that with them then go to that other site.
Right. If the XSX is 9.2tf it will still be twice the power of Xbox One X. Hell an 8tf gpu would still yield twice the performance with cpu and SSD added to the equation.
I think a lot of people are going to be really disappointed once final hardware numbers are given.
This is not the beast you are looking for.
We all want 12tf+ consoles. I just don't think it's possible in a $500 box. I hope I'm wrong...
I think that they won't want to release Lockhart right away anyways unless they think Sony is really going to undercut Series X price. In the initial console launch window they want the hardcore to buy the Series X for the higher price ($499, $599?), not split that market in half. I think a lot of people forget that even though Microsoft screwed the pooch at launch in 2013 with their terrible messaging and lower power box at a higher price they still sold a lot of consoles in the first month (3 million for Xbox One compared to 4 million for PS4 if I remember correctly), and then hit 10 million in sales at the one year mark (compared to 13.5 million for PS4). If Microsoft bundles Gamepass with the console and Halo Infinite looks good at launch I see Xbox probably doing really well in the US, UK, and their other strong markets (Mexico, Brazil, etc...). It makes more sense to launch Lockhart after that initial rush by hardcore fans dies down. If the PS5 is significantly cheaper though? All bets are off then......
I don't want to report on the table topics already discussed several times, I'm just curious.
I've never had time and effort to analyze and study this famous "github leak" that's so much talked about. Kindly, could someone briefly explain it to me as if it is explained to a 5 year old toddler?
I've never had time and effort to analyze and study this famous "github leak" that's so much talked about. Kindly, could someone briefly explain it to me as if it is explained to a 5 year old toddler?
Unless he's talking about the Xbox One that is still being sold (S).
Gentlemen,
I have a prediction concerning the event for the reveal of the Ps5 that I am confident will turn out to be 100% correct
I have a prediction concerning the event for the reveal of the Ps5 that I am confident will turn out to be 100% correct
Once the date is known this thread will look like this gif below
The crying girl represents Aegon Snake/thuway
The velociraptor represents Cerny/Jim Ryan
The crying girl represents Aegon Snake/thuway
The velociraptor represents Cerny/Jim Ryan
Gentlemen,
I have a prediction concerning the event for the reveal of the Ps5 that I am confident will turn out to be 100% correct
Once the date is known this thread will look like this gif below
The crying girl represents Aegon Snake/thuway
The velociraptor represents Cerny/Jim Ryan
Now I'm going to have to watch the Velocipastor trailer again.
One thing I found interesting about the information shared in OP is that someone mentioned that people will be more impressed by the games than the specs. 10tf looks good to me tbh.
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We was they said 8x one and 2x X
Which gives a nice margin of wiggle room while still being great either way
Well, the numbers are much closer together if you go with the S. I think you would need to hit the higher number between the discrepancy regardless, for you not be labeled a 'liar', so.
Yep, a life-threatening virus won't stop these labor camps from building our all-important entertainment devices!
For x1x they used a multiplier that would come to less than 6tf no ?
The only weird part was when digital foundry was doing the article , they reached out to phil and he didnt comment on exact tf number which is abit weird but maybe they just dont wanna say 12 when the other console is 4 .
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Agree, 10 rdna flops is really good, and if people find difficult that a 9.2 TF console is sold at the friendly 399 price, i wonder if it is reasonable to ask for 12 rdna TF, that will mean reaching a price that may compromise the comercial viability of the product ( yes there's the 4TF console from MS... but until we can confirm it and get a price it is even more difficult to predict how will the market react.)
I think both will be around 10 TF, rdna, that would mean 5-6 times the power of Base PS4, which is great and with other enhancements, will mean a really meaty upgrade. I am still amazed at what can be done with less than 2TF and a Jaguar CPU, so or eyes will melt with almost 10TF
Regardless of which one he is using, the only number that matters is the higher of the two discrepancies. If it comes in under double the X, it's an untrue statement he made, correct? It is just my assumption that he would be using the S considering it is closer. If you go to 9x the S it is higher than double the X, which could also be untrue. Which is another reason I would assume it is the S because otherwise you could just say 9x because 9x the One is under 2x the X whereas that is not true of the S.
So X1sX is either 10.4, 11.2, or 12 tflops depending on what X1 we're talking about? 🤔
I can't wait until both of these consoles are out and this tflop guessing madness is over.
I can't wait until both of these consoles are out and this tflop guessing madness is over.
I've got a lot of this thread to catch up on, but before I do:
Really? The PlayStation classic was a broken mess, any other recent mini-consoles that wasn't a broken mess was a roaring success. Plus, the idea of digital purchases persisting is pretty much standard across everything ever these days.
This is the worst take ever.
Really? The PlayStation classic was a broken mess, any other recent mini-consoles that wasn't a broken mess was a roaring success. Plus, the idea of digital purchases persisting is pretty much standard across everything ever these days.
This is the worst take ever.
I understand that Lockhart makes sense as a great 1080p console with a much better CPU, but let's say that MS releases it at 299$ (very unlikely, but let's say they do), they have Xbox One S and Xbox One X still on the market.
How do you justify Lockhart to people if it plays the same games as an Xbox One S?
Higher framerate? If users cared about framerate, they wouldn't play on console. Also, it's a hard sell if people can't see what it is.
Ultimate 1080p? They see Xbox One X for a little more, why not going for 4K?
Streaming box? That's called Xbox One SAD.
We need to put ourselves in the shoes of the millions of people who aren't as knowledgeable as we are.
It seriously makes no sense. I think Lockhart is not coming out this year, if ever. After all, we heard they MS were late with their dev-kits and so far it seems they only delivered SeX. Of course it's all speculation and I might be wrong, but again, it makes no sense to offer a cheaper alternative if you already have cheaper alternatives on the market... and if people will be able to play the same games on them!
Lockhart is either not happening or there's something we don't know about it. Maybe they will just retire the Xbox One or offer an upgrade program to the owners of the old console, but it sounds implausible.
I would argue that it can only be gauged against the highest multiplication. It HAS to be at least 2 times One X for the statement to be true.
Either Lockhart launches with the Series X, or it doesn't launch at all. Devs have to specifically target that device and if launch games aren't forced to target it, games launched before Lockhart wouldn't work on Lockhart without manual dev intervention. I doubt there would be some automated process for making a game work on the device either. And I can't imagine MS forcing devs to target a device that will not be available for many months after their game initially launches. Given that, I can't imagine a lower end sku launching after the Series X at all.
No. Because he didn't say double the Teraflops, he used a generally vague term "power".
some have argued that that word can only be interpreted one way, but that's just dumb. It's deliberately non-specific. Whether that's to conceal something awesome or merely great is TBD.
I think you underestimate the appeal sth that carries a next-gen name has over the current one. Even if Lockhart overlaps in features and/or target audience with Xbox One S, X or SAD it would still be offered as a cheap unified alternative that plays ALL next-gen games (not just the ones of the next few years). MS can very well stop selling all other version (except from the one X I guess) as well.
What I can't see as realistic though is not launching Lockhart this year. You just can't launch a weaker version of a console after a stronger one and still expect all published games up to that point to be compatible with it.
It's all a bit odd. Guessing nobody wants to say definite numbers because they don't really look impressive compared to the previous gen(s) gpu jump
It is made to trigger nostalgia from people who doesn't follow gaming stuff anymore. Those people doesn't know Classic was broken and still didn't bought it.
Nes mini was difficult to find at launch because of pre order alone.
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