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Cymbal Head

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Oct 25, 2017
2,376
Is ZZ as bad as everyone says?

No, but if you're watching in order, don't expect it to be a continuation of Zeta's tone. It takes some pretty big swings between goofy and serious throughout the run, but by the end it finds its own groove.

I like ZZ quite a lot, actually. It has one of the best casts in the franchise.
 

HammerOfThor

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Oct 26, 2017
3,861
Oddly enough I'm making my way through Zeta for the first time. I'm at like ep 24 or so. I'm enjoying it a lot more than I did Zeta even though I like more serious content vs lighthearted content.
 
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donkey

donkey

Sumo Digital Dev
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Oct 24, 2017
4,870
Ahhh bitchass lil Hathaway grew up
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zerocypher

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Oct 27, 2017
577
This is good news to me. Netflix must have made it worth it since they were trying to hold out for a theatrical release in Japan.
 

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
11,258
This is way overkill.

If you want to watch this movie
- Char's Counterattack is mandatory watching as Hathaway is a direct sequel.
- Watching the original movie trilogy first of all is also ideal and very much recommended for world-building and getting to know Amuro and Char - their ideas and differences are centerpiece to what happens in CCA and what fuels Hathaway.

Those should be available on Netflix in a lot of countries, now or soon (France is June 18 for instance).
Just watch what's available, do not worry about old vs new audio mix.

Opinion:
IMO the original trilogy is a very good watch even today. The first movie's animation is rough, but it gets MUCH better over the course of the trilogy + the story and characters will get you 100% if you let yourselves be pulled in.
CCA will be confusing on a first watch - keep in mind that's it's more of a conflict of ideals between two men than an epic war, enjoy the great animation and score.
Yeah, 100% truth here. The original trilogy and CCA should be enough. Watch Zeta, ZZ, Unicorn or The Origin afterwards if you're in a binging mood because they're good to varying degrees, but they're not super necessary.
 

Jubern

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Oct 25, 2017
1,391
Yea that's what I meant. CCA was only one movie but he voiced the character in a lot of other material, including lots of rather recent games.
 

MaxDOL

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Oct 31, 2017
194
For the up coming Gundam shows/movies on Netflix, I remember I did watch both CCA and F91 on Netflix Thailand last year.
So it gone and will came back again huh.
 

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
11,258
I hope that later down the road, Netflix somehow secures the streaming rights to UC shows too. It would be nice for a single streaming actor to consolidate as much of these shows, OVAs and movies as possible.

edit : just realized Netflix is probably gonna have the awful 5.1 remastered Japanese soundtrack for the original movie trilogy and will skip the original soundtrack. FML.
 
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HammerOfThor

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Oct 26, 2017
3,861
I hope that later down the road, Netflix somehow secures the streaming rights to UC shows too. It would be nice for a single streaming actor to consolidate as much of these shows, OVAs and movies as possible.

edit : just realized Netflix is probably gonna have the awful 5.1 remastered Japanese soundtrack for the original movie trilogy and will skip the original soundtrack. FML.
Yeah I have a feeling that if the Gundam live show does well enough Netflix will be a Gundam streaming source
 

Leeway

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Oct 25, 2017
1,416
Vancouver, BC
This is great news! I've been very, very slowly working my way through UC Gundam for the first time the last year or so. Just into Zeta recently but I might pick up the pace to get through ZZ and CCA soon. Would've liked to watch stuff in production order but I jumped ahead and watched The Origin right after 0079. Looking forward to Hathaway though.

I assume I need to watch all of Zeta and ZZ before I can even think about watching CCA?
 
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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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This is great news! I've been very, very slowly working my way through UC Gundam for the first time the last year or so. Just into Zeta recently but I might pick up the pace to get through ZZ and CCA soon. Would've liked to watch stuff in production order but I jumped the ahead and watched The Origin right after 0079. Looking forward to Hathaway though.

I assume I need to watch all of Zeta and ZZ before I can even think about watching CCA?
I assume watching Hathaway without having seen CCA is a much worse experience than watching CCA without having seen Zeta. Honestly, I first watched Zeta after CCA, and it's not that big of a deal. You're gonna get a large time skip, but I've always felt CCA was more than anything a sequel to the OG series/movies. You can and should fill in the gap afterwards.
 

Distantmantra

Member
Oct 26, 2017
11,246
Seattle
I assume I need to watch all of Zeta and ZZ before I can even think about watching CCA?

It doesn't hurt but you'd be fine with the MSG trilogy and a basic knowledge of Zeta and ZZ. And frankly, the transition from ZZ to CCA is a bit out of left field anyway.

Fun fact: CCA was first released here on DVD after the MSG trilogy, a couple years before Zeta and waaaayy before we finally got ZZ.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,652
Although CCA does slightly allude to what about Zeta and ZZ triggered Char's change of attitude, the movie definitely feels like it was largely written for people who had only seem the original series/movie trilogy.
 

Saifu

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Oct 27, 2017
7,906
Is that Narrative movie connected in any way to this movie?
I keep hearing horrible things about Narrative so I never got around watching that.
 

thenexus6

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Oct 26, 2017
7,363
UK
I've never seen anything Gundam, are the original films a good starting point? I heard they are a mash up of the anime show cut into movies?
 

Gravidee

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Oct 28, 2017
3,375
Is that Narrative movie connected in any way to this movie?
I keep hearing horrible things about Narrative so I never got around watching that.

No particular story connections. But I myself am not really sure why people are calling Narrative "horrible". I thought it was entertaining. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Gotchaforce

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Oct 31, 2017
5,698
Watched the first three movies and will watch CCA soon. Should I watch Unicorn as well on Netflix? Does it take place before or after Hathaway?
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
26,652
Watched the first three movies and will watch CCA soon. Should I watch Unicorn as well on Netflix? Does it take place before or after Hathaway?
It takes place in between CCA and Hathaway. But Hathaway is adapted from a book series written 30 years ago, well before Unicorn existed. So unless they've rewritten anything as part of the adaptation, it shouldn't reference Unicorn at all.

That said Unicorn is great and worth watching at some point, though it's probably enjoyed more if you least know about Zeta and ZZ, if you don't watch them outright -- there are lots of nods, and some real story threads, connected to those shows.
 

Quinton

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Oct 25, 2017
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Midgar, With Love
Z, ZZ, and Unicorn are absolute must-watches if the original movie trilogy (or show) hits the right buttons for you. Most of Z, the back half of ZZ, and the early and end portions of Unicorn are terrific.
 

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
11,258
I'd say if you want to watch UC stuff, in order of importance.
- make a beeline to Hathaway with the original movie trilogy, CCA and Hathaway. You can't really cut corners here.
- if you liked what you watched and the universe, catch up on a decade of events with Zeta and ZZ. From there, watch Unicorn, and maybe NT (not super necessary but it takes place after Unicorn)
- for more side stories, there's The Origin, 08th MS Team, 0080 for the OYW, and 0083.
- for a glimpse into the future, there's F91 and V Gundam.

No particular story connections. But I myself am not really sure why people are calling Narrative "horrible". I thought it was entertaining. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think it's terrible, but I find it falls short of the rest of Unicorn.
 

Ultron

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,778
This is out now on U.S. Netflix!

www.netflix.com

Watch Mobile Suit Gundam Hathaway | Netflix Official Site

After Char’s rebellion, Hathaway Noa leads an insurgency against Earth Federation, but meeting an enemy officer and a mysterious woman alters his fate.

I watched the first ten minutes during a break, might not watch the rest till later, but definitely some nice looking animation from the start!
 
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donkey

donkey

Sumo Digital Dev
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Oct 24, 2017
4,870
Watched it twice already. Lovely movie and probably one of the best ones so far. The weight of the mobile suit battles was fantastic.

 

Ultron

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,778
That was pretty good! Really nice looking fights and good character building.

I honestly don't think, at least for this first part, that you need a ton of background UC knowledge to enjoy it. The characters and motivations in this are pretty self contained. Like you could easily watch this first, and then go back into other stuff for background.
 
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Jakenbakin

"This guy are sick"
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Jun 17, 2018
11,910
If I have more kids I'll name them Mafty & Quess. I'll check this out later, though I may look into the recommended watches before. I really liked Unicorn even with no knowledge though.
 

Strikerrr

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Oct 25, 2017
2,132
That was pretty good! Really nice looking fights and good character building.

I honestly don't think, at least for this first part, that you need a ton of background UC knowledge to enjoy it. The characters and motivations in this are pretty self contained. Like you could easily watch this first, and then go back into other stuff for background.
I think it's watchable, but such a big part of Hathaway's character and his motivations comes from what happens to him in Char's Counterattack which is referenced, but not clearly explained in the Hathaway movie.

It has a much clearer connection to the earlier series than Unicorn.

If you don't have the time to watch 0079 + CCA (which are also on Netflix), you should at least watch this 8 minute recap of CCA to get caught up:
 

mael

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
16,884
Oh God!
I forgot this was coming oout!
I shouldn't have proscratinated with dororo.
On to fast tracking the watching of the original Gundam
 

Starwing

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 31, 2018
4,127
I totally forgot it came out today. I'll get to it after watching Char's Counterattack.
 

squall23

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,805
I was kind of bored by it. All it did was remind the audience that Hathaway sucks, which might have been the point because I had gotten used to Hathaway not being shit in SRW.
 

jackdoe

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Oct 27, 2017
670
Was not a big fan of the movie. I thought it was confusing at times and stuff was happening without any clear reason why it was happening. I had to wiki the book synopsis to make sense of what the current state of the world was and to figure out some of the character motivations. Not a surprise that there were missteps in the adaptation like this considering these were the same guys who adapted Gundam Unicorn. There was also some, really low quality CGI models too.
 

kpup

Teyvat Traveler
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Oct 27, 2017
421
Really liked it.
The weight of the mobile suit battles was fantastic.
Definitely agree with the weight. The lighting, sounds, and animation during the combat sequences were so well done. I watched the movie twice and keep going back to these scenes.

Had only watched unicorn and origin from UC before this, so I binged zeta, zz, and cca leading up to this release. Now just wished there was an easy way to read the novels.
 

pbayne

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,447
I do wish there was a mobile suit fight during the day in this. They were all in the pitch black and it made some of them kind of hard to follow.
The first person cockpit stuff looks amazing in this though. It looked good in thunderbolt but its just on another level here.
 

Foffy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,399
Wish the film tried to explore who these characters were more. It felt like I was supposed to know who nearly everybody was before watching this, and unless I'm mistaken, Hathaway and flashbacks to other characters are really the only recurring characters from previous Gundam lore. Everyone else just shows up in a way that feels like "oh, I should know who Emerelda Zubin is" before she is on screen.
 

teruterubozu

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Oct 28, 2017
7,992
I liked it. Some great scenes. But man it felt so incomplete. It was more like a long TV episode instead of a movie.
 

Kuro

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Oct 25, 2017
20,840
Yeah the final battle being so dark kinda ruined it. Don't care for the Gundam designs either. They have so many fucking fins you can't see shit lol.

The earlier battle on the streets was amazing though from the viewpoint of civilians.

Hathaway still uh Hathaway.

Gigi is impeccable character design marred by what I assume is Tomino's manic writing or influence. She's still interesting with her mysterious motives at least.
 

Donos

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Nov 15, 2017
6,539
Was not a big fan of the movie. I thought it was confusing at times and stuff was happening without any clear reason why it was happening. I had to wiki the book synopsis to make sense of what the current state of the world was and to figure out some of the character motivations. Not a surprise that there were missteps in the adaptation like this considering these were the same guys who adapted Gundam Unicorn. There was also some, really low quality CGI models too.
Wish the film tried to explore who these characters were more. It felt like I was supposed to know who nearly everybody was before watching this, and unless I'm mistaken, Hathaway and flashbacks to other characters are really the only recurring characters from previous Gundam lore. Everyone else just shows up in a way that feels like "oh, I should know who Emerelda Zubin is" before she is on screen.
Kinda how i felt since i haven't seen anything about gundam so far. And that Gigi character. ... Well.

What was interesting is how the MC had no problems with civilian casualties,beside "it's necessary".

Fight was good but sometimes hard to follow.