It's super weird this even has to be explained. Mario Golf has its own large fanbase and they haven't been served yet on Switch. Hell, this is the first Mario Golf game that can be played on a TV in 18 years.
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Mario Golf: Super Rush revealed, releases June 25th on Nintendo Switch.
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There's a difference between medium tier sales like Metroid, Fire emblem, Kirby, Yoshi, etc, and Golden sun, whose latest entry ate up a *lot* of development time, more than any of the sports titles ever have, and came out as a sales flop, a critical reception flop, a fan reception flop, and probably buried the series forever as a result.
There are two major reasons why it makes sense that they were doing golf as their next game:
1) You say things like "JRPGs are popular right now on switch", but Mario Tennis switch has outperformed every major JRPG on the system. Working on a title that will sell more absolutely matches peoples "interest as gamers".
2) JRPGS are already well served on switch. Even ignoring all the third party offerings, we still have had from Nintendo published titles: Xenoblade 2, Xenoblade 2: The golden country, Xenoblade Definitive edition, Octopath Traveller, Bravely Default II, Fire Emblem three houses, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, Pokemon Sword/Shield, Pokemon Lets go , and several more you could argue are at least JRPG inspired. Golden sun would have to compete with all of these for mindshare, and most of these will roll right over it. Hell, all of them except Tokyo Mirage Sessions would definitely outperform it.
Meanwhile the market for a major (mario) golf sports game is completely unserved.
Gigantic plot spoilers for TLOU2 (dont read if you ever plan on playing the game)
Joel gets killed off within the first couple of hours of the game, he's killed with a golf club
Ah I knew about the first part but not the details.
lol
I don't plan on playing it... to creepy/depressing for me.
This is a completely hypocritical argument considering your usual fare of "Nintendo should have games they don't usually make" to justify F-Zero, Metroid, etc.
Well, Golf is not something they make, and in comparison to the variety of Jrpgs in the platform, Mario Golf brings something more unique.
I just played the first course of World Tour for comparison and it's definitely got much more character than what we saw in the direct!
I'm hoping it's just an early build but hope they keep the charm (I played with Mii and the group of Mii's on the course reacting to the score after every hole was so cute)
Edit: it's the trees! World Tour had very Mario style Trees where as these seem more true to real life trees. Also the Hudd lacks personality
I'm hoping it's just an early build but hope they keep the charm (I played with Mii and the group of Mii's on the course reacting to the score after every hole was so cute)
Edit: it's the trees! World Tour had very Mario style Trees where as these seem more true to real life trees. Also the Hudd lacks personality
It's not really clickbait. They've used Captain Falcon as a running joke for hidden characters for a very long time now.
I highly doubt Mario Golf requires more development muscle than Fire Emblem: Three Housee, for example, which even required outside help from Koei Tecmo and the series never had stellar sales but didn't prevented Nintendo to bet on the series. In Camelot's case, the studio barely has more than 100+ employees, I don't get where your point about Mario Golf requiring so much effort is coming from.
Any way, what "critical reception flop" and "fan reception flop" are you talking about? The latest FE, Kirby, Yoshi and even Metroid games had very good reception and there's any indicative Nintendo will pull off those franchises.
It doesn't nullify the demand for the genre in the system. It's like saying ND should never make another Uncharted game because TLOU is a better seller which is a strawmanned conclusion.
Anyway, Mario Kart and Mario Party are stronger spin offs than the Sports games, it's not like there'll be a shortage of Mario titles. Well, if we're going deeper into this territory, then Nintendo should rebaptize all their mid tier franchises to the Mario brand.
You're digging your head too deeply into your market darwinism cognitive dissonance.
Outside of Pokémon, neither of those franchises are that big stellar sales either, they don't have that much market share into a 80+ million userbase and it's very unlikely they would alienate interest from new games of the genre on the system. Anyway, high demand for a genre isn't a good counter point, either, as we can see the FPS and open world genres. Very few can have the sales of GTA and COD but this isn't stopping their respective genre to have a huge offering and alternatives, you're just being assumptious with your cognite dissonance.
It's amazing how market darwinism is the crux of your points. I'm glad you aren't in charge of Nintendo or any other gaming publisher, otherwise the market would become a oligopoly of the biggest IPs.
Studios should have the freedom to make the games I want, and no other.
Seems like your entirely problem is with the Mario IP instead of this being a sports game (that the Switch doesn't have much of, incidentally).
If the idea is to bring genre diversity, then Mario Golf is far more preferable than just another Jrpg.
The art style / graphics seem bad to me because its like they are going for a more "realistic" course design. I love the idea of running from shot to shot, but it would be so good if the courses were exotic like mario levels. 3DS Mario Golf had great course design so I am hoping there are some diverse courses yet to be revealed.
Love these kinds of arcadey golf games, hope the story mode is good, since Aces story mode turned out pretty dissapointing.
The Switch is already well-covered for jrpgs. I think Nintendo made the correct move prioritizing Mario Golf, as the Switch has relatively few sports games, at-least compared to jrpgs. Keep in mind I say this as someone whose completed both gba Golden Sun games.
The Golden Sun salt in here is unreal lmao. Can't believe people are dismissing a new console Mario Golf as "just another Mario game" just because Camelot isn't making them a new Golden Sun.
It ain't happening guys, join us F-Zero and Punch-Out fans in the perpetual misery of knowing one of your favorite franchises is stuck in Nintendo hell
It ain't happening guys, join us F-Zero and Punch-Out fans in the perpetual misery of knowing one of your favorite franchises is stuck in Nintendo hell
It still boggles my mind that they never made one for the Wii.
Having islands etc is a staple of regular golf games and Mario golf games -- even Wii Sports golf. So I have to imagine that some courses just won't be playable in speed golf, or there will be some other traversal mechanic to get there.
Definitely agree with you on the last iteration Everybody's Golf, but I don't think Nintendo will go that route...
Really thought they would go introduce a new character when I saw that lady running, but it was just a mii.
Super Sluggers released after Strikers, plus there's several of the Mario vs Sonic games. So nah.
I can't believe there are people so intensely arguing about a new Golden Sun in here. That series is long dead and the last game bombed.
Yeah I'm sure the later ones will be more unique. And if not, there's a good chance we'll get DLC courses anyway, which will definitely have some wackier courses.
The online tournament component of World Tour was so good. I really hope it makes a comeback. I spent so much time competing in them.
Oh yeah you're right. I thought the Mario vs Sonic games were just QTE's, but I forgot about stuff like skateboarding & football. Never played Sluggers personally.
Anyway, don't mind me 😅 I'm just so eager to play a new Donkey Kong 3D platformer, that even the smallest thing sticks out at this point.
I understand people want a new golden sun, but while the switch is host to a lot of great JRPGs, there's not a single quality 3D arcade golf game on it. Mario Golf is filling a way bigger void in the Switch library than another Golden Sun would, and to be frank it's kind of annoying that people come in here to write eulogy's to Golden Sun instead of just talking about the game actually being made.
And for people complaining it's "another" mario game, arcade golf games are not nearly as plentiful as they were in the past. Being tied to the Mario license helps games like this get made and make a great theme for a goofy golf game. I understand this may not be what people wanted Camelot to be made, but instead of mucking up a place to talk about a specific game to complain about what's not there, can you make a different thread to discuss Camelot on the whole and disappointment of no Golden Sun?
Anyhow, Game looks great, I really enjoyed everybody's golf outside of the bad structure that required you to replay the same courses over and over again, so I am stoked for this. Speed Golf seems like a great fun mode to play online with friends this summer who may not be as into purely golf games.
And for people complaining it's "another" mario game, arcade golf games are not nearly as plentiful as they were in the past. Being tied to the Mario license helps games like this get made and make a great theme for a goofy golf game. I understand this may not be what people wanted Camelot to be made, but instead of mucking up a place to talk about a specific game to complain about what's not there, can you make a different thread to discuss Camelot on the whole and disappointment of no Golden Sun?
Anyhow, Game looks great, I really enjoyed everybody's golf outside of the bad structure that required you to replay the same courses over and over again, so I am stoked for this. Speed Golf seems like a great fun mode to play online with friends this summer who may not be as into purely golf games.
Poor Yoshi and DK going about the golf course nude while everyone else from Toad to Bowser gets snazzy golf clothes. Or maybe they choose the nude life? I dunno.
I got pretty excited about this announcement. I love Golf games and dug the GBC Mario Golf so with story mode making a return I hope this one is much deeper than the story mode we got in Mario Tennis Aces. Also speed golf looks like it can be a lot of fun and I want to see more of that. Fingers crossed we get some cool left field Mario Characters in the game like Pauline, Diddy Kong or heck bring Chain Chomp back from Tennis.
I know people seem down on the courses, but hopefully there's more courses that have more personality. Also look back and when they showed Waluigi in the desert. Looked like something was moving around in the background.
I got pretty excited about this announcement. I love Golf games and dug the GBC Mario Golf so with story mode making a return I hope this one is much deeper than the story mode we got in Mario Tennis Aces. Also speed golf looks like it can be a lot of fun and I want to see more of that. Fingers crossed we get some cool left field Mario Characters in the game like Pauline, Diddy Kong or heck bring Chain Chomp back from Tennis.
I know people seem down on the courses, but hopefully there's more courses that have more personality. Also look back and when they showed Waluigi in the desert. Looked like something was moving around in the background.
Honestly, that may have been because of Dark Dawn itself.
And We Love Golf being a thing.
Oh the Nintendo hell, is a bit crowned now. The only good thing is that sometimes one of the ip living there escapes and gets one more thing. Sadly, the Advance Wars ip is too lazy to try.
Well, at least is not the Sega's seven hells.
I'm not worried about Golden Sun, but the fact that Mario Tennis GBC's story mode never got a proper sequel is infuriating.
Still, no one does sports RPGs like Camelot, and it's been waaay longer since weve seen a good one out of Nintendo than it's been since we saw Golden Sun.
Still, no one does sports RPGs like Camelot, and it's been waaay longer since weve seen a good one out of Nintendo than it's been since we saw Golden Sun.
If it's an RPG and it flops, Nintendo has shown by what happened to Alpha Dream they ain't going to save a company they don't own.
And like with Alpha Dream if Camelot/Nintendo decide to do Golden Sun, if those of you who are posting like this aren't several hundreds of thousand strong, and it does flop like 2 on DS then it could very realistically lead to them closing their doors.
This notion that "there is nothing wrong" with just throwing out IP's that don't sell is actively dangerous for Studios.
Even Square's Tokyo RPG factory, who's games release on Switch mind is rumored to have been struggling as Square wasn't seeing good returns on the investments.
Take that in for a moment, Square Enix the premier JRPG studio's own Mid Tier budget JRPG studio isn't selling enough. Nintendo was going to shutter Fire Emblem after Radiant Dawn if Awakening didn't blow up, and that was a 3DS game, not even close to the budget needed doe Switch.
People are being way to glib when this hypothetical GS3 is very likely a multimillion dollar project and Nintendo isn't no Saint if a 3rd party doesn't deliver.
I highly doubt that last point, TMS sadly flopped hard on the switch, I think somewhere around 800,000 units shipped. I could see Golden Sun remaster getting at least a million sales if not more. There aren't a lot of RPGs like Golden Sun to be honest.
I'm pretty sure the Warioware games have sold better than Metroid games, should we stop having new Metroid games? Rhythm heaven and Retro's Donkey Kong sold better than Metroid Prime, should Retro only make Donkey Kong? All I want a second chance that isn't a late game poorly marketed and sold on a system that already has a successor announced shortly around when the game came out. Never mind NOA torpedoed the marketing, almost making me wonder if they were trying to make sure the game failed.
Sadly it never will. There's no way Nintendo would greenlight a Mario spinoff nowadays with a bunch of original characters.
It's a damn shame the story mode in this is using Miis and generic Mario enemies instead of a cast of original characters.
Oh, did previous Mario golf games have an expansion pass? If so, I'd be down for that. Going all in with this one!