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[Wogan]

Wait, so those other deleted, problematic tweets you're alluding to actually weren't in the videos you linked to? Jesus, man...

Here's all I could find coming from Thought Slime: https://i.redd.it/b0mozpps7zc81.jpg
So the tweet I mentioned above, and another tweet that reiterates the same annoyance and the clarification that "sex cult" was an overstatement in the first place. That doesn't sound like what you're describing, so maybe I'm still missing something...

... but frankly, I think I'm done with this. It was hard enough trying (and failing) to get concrete details from you regarding Thought Slime's "recent actions" (I'm sorry, but why do you have to be so vague/cryptic? I really have better things to do than spend hours parsing Google, Reddit and YouTube trying to find what you're referring to!), and I have to say I'm just not interested in exploring another drama with Vaush, at this point...
I apologize to the other posters for the overly long exchange.

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Well, that's fine but I'm not trying to be vague or cryptic. It's hard when all the tweets have been nuked.

It's okay for you to not want to do the looking through all the internet for answers but I find you attitude towards me quite rude. I just brought up the initial issues with the expectation that it would be discussed (as you do on a forum) and instead I am met with you expecting me to spoon feed you everything.

And then after I provide what I can to you you're like, whatever. And as to the notion that you have better things to do, fine. Please go do them. I'm not trying to be rude here but I found this interaction far from enjoyable and I'm a little put out. I just wanted to get people's read on the events.

I apologise to the other posters for the overly long exchange. On a forum where such thing are intended. 😒

 

[Erigu]

Well, that's fine but I'm not trying to be vague or cryptic. It's hard when all the tweets have been nuked.
It's okay for you to not want to do the looking through all the internet for answers but I find you attitude towards me quite rude. I just brought up the initial issues with the expectation that it would be discussed (as you do on a forum) and instead I am met with you expecting me to spoon feed you everything.

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Some details, links, "receipts", yes. If you have them, please "spoon feed" us them.

And then after I provide what I can to you you're like, whatever.

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Two long videos that apparently didn't actually answer the question I had been asking you.

 

[Deleted member 47700]

Well I know what I'm watching when I get home later

 

[Messofanego]

Another video by one of my favourites, Saint Andrewism, about the importance of imagination and optimism in the face of doomscrolling and cynicism (which while well-meaning among some leftists plays into the status quo of capitalism) and how it can be turned into political action.

 

[IMCaprica]

Well I know what I'm watching when I get home later

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It was painful to watch. It's just 90 minutes of Jackson being weirdly aggressive in a desperate attempt to distract from his inability to offer an answer to anything. The entire debate was about what Jackson wanted to talk about, and he never actually gets around to giving examples or answers to anything.

 

[UnpopularBlargh]

Well I know what I'm watching when I get home later

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It was painful to watch. It's just 90 minutes of Jackson being weirdly aggressive in a desperate attempt to distract from his inability to offer an answer to anything. The entire debate was about what Jackson wanted to talk about, and he never actually gets around to giving examples or answers to anything.

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Just started to watch this. From moment one this guy comes off as dumb. He's just mad the squad isn't a bunch of total obstructionists.

Also looking at his twitter he's also a crypto bro. Which comes off as contrary to him being a self-proclaimed leftist.

Update: Jackson just seems to be looking to get Sam in random gotchas that have no overall point besides Democrats bad and Squad bad becasue they don't obstruct Dems.

The whole "debate" is this guy talking over Sam with an endless list of questions.

And it's blatantly obvious that he keeps conflating the house and Senate.

Dude is a total moron.

 

[IMCaprica]

Just started to watch this. From moment one this guy comes off as dumb. He's just mad the squad isn't a bunch of total obstructionists.

Also looking at his twitter he's also a crypto bro. Which comes off as contrary to him being a self-proclaimed leftist.

Update: Jackson just seems to be looking to get Sam in random gotchas that have no overall point besides Democrats bad and Squad bad becasue they don't obstruct Dems.

The whole "debate" is this guy talking over Sam with an endless list of questions.

And it's blatantly obvious that he keeps conflating the house and Senate.

Dude is a total moron.

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You could tell what this guy's whole strategy was the moment he said (in response to being called a communist) "I'm a Marxist Leninist and American Patriot". Like really dude? The debate hasn't even started yet and you're already fishing for things Sam is "wrong" about. And as you pointed out, he doesn't know how government works. Not even just in a vague "this is how the game is played" sense. He just straight up doesn't know how it literally works.

 

[Deleted member 47700]

Sucked that Sam's mic automatically went quiet whenever he spoke too. Not sure what was happening there

 

[UnpopularBlargh]

Sucked that Sam's mic automatically went quiet whenever he spoke too. Not sure what was happening there

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It's a Zoom thing. Matt said they're looking into changing that soon.

 

[Pantaghana]

Hinkle is an Assad apologist, frequently spouts RT talking points and Russia apologia.

Oh, and he considers himself to be socially consevative



So yeah, he's a dumbfuck.

 

[UnpopularBlargh]

Hinkle is an Assad apologist, frequently spouts RT talking points and Russia apologia.

Oh, and he considers himself to be socially consevative



So yeah, he's a dumbfuck.

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He also thinks because China says so, that Taiwan isn't a country.

Dude sucks.

 

[Jakenbakin]

Yeah make no mistake Hinckle is not a leftist at all, he is 100% a tool who uses right wing talking points, he describes himself as an anti-imperialist but loves Chinese imperialism, I mean the dude doesn't have a political ideology, he's just a loud fucking box that dispenses stupidity with no filter on it.

 

[GalaxyPixel]

Since the election its really felt like a lot of Leftist youtubers have gotten comfortable when they really shouldn't be. Just an observation.

 

[Messofanego]

It's allowed me to reflect on how many these leftist YouTubers, like F D Signifier said in his Break Bread video and Saint Andrewism has said in his anti-capitalist is still capitalism video, are merely right wing reaction/commentary channels. It did fill a valuable space when extreme conservative YouTubers were rampant on the platform. But there's more to the cause than just that.

 

[Deleted member 47700]

Hilarious parody of that Hinckle conversation from last week

 

[Deleted member 8750]

Dan Olson's latest video Line Goes Up - The Problem with NFTs has over 4,000,000 views now.



Here's a response to the documentary from CoinDesk: https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/02/01/what-line-goes-up-gets-wrong-and-right-about-nfts/

I found this part of their response pretty revealing:

People young and old are excited about crypto because it presents an alternative to the current economic system. Just to say one thing: Those bankers Olson discussed at the beginning of his documentary, the ones that turned the U.S. housing market into a casino and blew up the economy – what happened to them? Did Jimmy Cayne go to jail? Did Lloyd Blankfein lose his job? I don't bemoan wealth or value creation, but I'm a little perturbed that there's a yacht shortage today. Crypto doesn't fix all of that, it may even make it worse. But at least, if done right, it eliminates moral hazard. Crypto puts responsibility on the individual – and if they lose their keys, or lose their savings, that's on them. It's a high degree of responsibility and no one forces you to buy a JPEG.

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The crypto economy is subject to the same manipulation as the stock market but now there are no protections for the average person and this is supposed to be a good thing(?).

Time.com has a response from a crypto investor to Dan Olson on their site as well: https://time.com/6144332/the-problem-with-nfts-video/

It's behind a paywall so here are just the closing arguments:

Olson: Netflix, Amazon and Facebook took off like wildfire out of the gate. Amazon's first landing page looks tacky now, but it was functional: it was an online bookstore that tells you if they have a book, and you can buy it and they ship it to you. The adoption rate was very large immediately.

The questions around Web 3 are very much centered around base functionality. This stuff doesn't do what people say it does and it overwhelmingly exposes people to unnecessarily high risk and the burden of risk.

Che: Crypto has one of the fastest technology adoptions in history. [Over 114 million Bitcoin accounts have been created, compared to 3 million seven years ago.] With tokenization in crypto, everyone can invest in crypto startups—not just venture capital firms or high net-worth individuals —and these markets have liquidity like the stock market from day one. If you don't like the volatility of startup investment, then don't do it.

Regulations need to stop treating people like children and think they somehow need to be "protected" from a wider set of opportunities. Focus on education and risk disclosure, instead of having stupid bans that end up exacerbating social inequality.

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*sigh* It's not like Dan Olson already covered in his video how the crypto economy does nothing to solve the problems with the stock market and in fact makes them even worse.

 

[UnpopularBlargh]

Michael Hobbes of You're Wrong About and Maintenance Phase podcasts has a YouTube video about cancel culture:

 

[FliX]

Dan Olson's latest video Line Goes Up - The Problem with NFTs has over 4,000,000 views now.



Here's a response to the documentary from CoinDesk: https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/02/01/what-line-goes-up-gets-wrong-and-right-about-nfts/

I found this part of their response pretty revealing:


The crypto economy is subject to the same manipulation as the stock market but now there are no protections for the average person and this is supposed to be a good thing(?).

Time.com has a response from a crypto investor to Dan Olson on their site as well: https://time.com/6144332/the-problem-with-nfts-video/

It's behind a paywall so here are just the closing arguments:



*sigh* It's not like Dan Olson already covered in his video how the crypto economy does nothing to solve the problems with the stock market and in fact makes them even worse.

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They really do a good job of unmasking themselves as the libertarian nutjobs they clearly are...

 

[Canyon]

Hey all

Wanted to know how to talk to someone who questions content like this. Gave a few links to someone I thought would be into these videos and was immediately hit with questions about what is their background to talk about such topics and what work or school credentials do they have to be knowledgeable about such topics. It wasn't a boomer. How do you even answer that? I think they just didn't want to engage lol.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Hey all

Wanted to know how to talk to someone who questions content like this. Gave a few links to someone I thought would be into these videos and was immediately hit with questions about what is their background to talk about such topics and what work or school credentials do they have to be knowledgeable about such topics. It wasn't a boomer. How do you even answer that? I think they just didn't want to engage lol.

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I think it's fine to be curious about someone's level of knowledge on what they're talking about. But I think a question like this also speaks to your friend's familiarity, or lack thereof, with the material, too. Anyone can sounds smart, or suspect, if you have no idea what they're talking about.

I say this not knowing which videos you shared, so I'm not sure how available information on the creator is.

But yeah, more likely, it sounds like your friend is looking for an excuse to not engage or question the videos.

 

[Canyon]

The flat earth and nft video from Dan Olson. He looked into him and couldn't find anything that lead him to believe the guy would know what he's talking about lol. I agree with your final point and will move on trying to share videos from these creators.

 

[balohna]

Dan Olson is basically a film maker who's willing to do deep dives on subjects he's interested in. He's had a YouTube channel for a long time and done a lot of more "YouTube"-y content, but he's an educated film maker who has worked in the industry and he basically uses that knowledge/experience to make content like this, on whatever topic he wants to put the effort into. If someone wants to see his credentials as an expert I'm not sure what can be done to convince them. Sounds like they just don't want to engage. He shows his work better than most.

 

[Messofanego]

The flat earth and nft video from Dan Olson. He looked into him and couldn't find anything that lead him to believe the guy would know what he's talking about lol. I agree with your final point and will move on trying to share videos from these creators.

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Well, you don't need to have school credentials or have any qualifications to talk about flat earth or NFTs so I wonder if your friend is being a wee bit disingenuous. What does he think of those topics anyway?

 

[GameDev]

Hey all

Wanted to know how to talk to someone who questions content like this. Gave a few links to someone I thought would be into these videos and was immediately hit with questions about what is their background to talk about such topics and what work or school credentials do they have to be knowledgeable about such topics. It wasn't a boomer. How do you even answer that? I think they just didn't want to engage lol.

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I mean, it's not like you require some secret knowledge to invest. You want an understanding of the fundamentals of investment:

• Financial Accounting - Libby
• Statistical Techniques in Business and Economics - Lind
• Essentials of Corporate Finance - Ross
• Corporate Finance: A Practical Approach - Clayman
• Essentials of Investments - Bodie
• Documentation: Mispricing Measure Data - Stambaugh
• Lastly go get the Bloomberg certification and in the case of crypto, make sure to get the commodities certification

Congratulations, you now have a graduate level understanding of the fundamentals of investing/finance. By now you'll learned that crypto is just another speculative commodity. Like with all commodity trading, for every dollar someone gained has to come from someone else losing a dollar.

 

[Artdayne]

Good vid about the persistence of the legacy and power structure of colonialism to the modern day.

 

[UnpopularBlargh]

So anyone else notice how any criticism of NATO is immediately painted as whataboutism and/or you supporting Putin?

Reminds me very much of the "you complain more about the Biden then the Republicans so you must support Trump" logic that was permeating this board during the last election.

 

[Anton Sugar]

So anyone else notice how any criticism of NATO is immediately painted as whataboutism and/or you supporting Putin?

Reminds me very much of the "you complain more about the Biden then the Republicans so you must support Trump" logic that was permeating this board during the last election.

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Yes.

Frankly, I hesitate to say this, because last time I did I was banned for 2 weeks, but it often feels like the "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" mindset of the early 2000s.

It's honestly disturbing to me, to not be able to discuss every aspect of the conflict without being dogpiled or even accused of being a "Kremlin agent" or at the very least, brainwashed by propaganda.

 

[UnpopularBlargh]

Yes.

Frankly, I hesitate to say this, because last time I did I was banned for 2 weeks, but it often feels like the "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" mindset of the early 2000s.

It's honestly disturbing to me, to not be able to discuss every aspect of the conflict without being dogpiled or even accused of being a "Kremlin agent" or at the very least, brainwashed by propaganda.

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Yeah. That Madeline Albright sure was a tankie looking at things from a Russian perspective:

Many predicted Nato expansion would lead to war. Those warnings were ignored | Ted Galen Carpenter

It has long been clear that Nato expansion would lead to tragedy. We are now paying the price for the US’s arrogance

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Even that first stage provoked Russian opposition and anger. In her memoir, Madeleine Albright, Clinton's secretary of state, concedes that "[Russian president Boris] Yeltsin and his countrymen were strongly opposed to enlargement, seeing it as a strategy for exploiting their vulnerability and moving Europe's dividing line to the east, leaving them isolated."

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None of that excuses Russia's actions but to say NATO had no to little impact on why things are happening the way they are is ignorant at best.

By their logic 9/11 was a singular event that wasn't caused by years and decades of western interference in the middle east.

 

[Deleted member 34725]

Yes.

Frankly, I hesitate to say this, because last time I did I was banned for 2 weeks, but it often feels like the "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" mindset of the early 2000s.

It's honestly disturbing to me, to not be able to discuss every aspect of the conflict without being dogpiled or even accused of being a "Kremlin agent" or at the very least, brainwashed by propaganda.

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I see you getting jumped on the moment you try to discuss anything. The widespread banning of people posting things from a leftist perspective in relationship to what is going on in Ukraine being labeled as "Trolling" is weird and disturbing. I tried getting clarification from staff regarding this and never received a reply.

I don't see how it's acceptable for people on era to claim that other users are pro Russian imperialism just because they discuss NATO in a broader historical context. It's a disgusting accusation but seems a-ok with the higher ups of Era.

I mean, many liberals here can't even tolerate someone talking about the broad failures of the democratic party and just want to focus entirely on Manchin and Senima in the current climate. Teamsports all around.

 

[The Real Napsta]

Good one from David Pakman:

 

[Deleted member 47700]

This guy brought a fork to a gunfight lol

 

[Pantaghana]

Huh, this thread hasn't been active much lately.

Anyway here's LonerBox looking at Russel Brands coverage of Ukraine



I tried watching a few of Brands videos, but found them all to be completely vapid. Props to Loner for dissecting them.

 

[Messofanego]

Huh, this thread hasn't been active much lately.

Anyway here's LonerBox looking at Russel Brands coverage of Ukraine

Russell Brand's Despicable Coverage of Ukraine

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I tried watching a few of Brands videos, but found them all to be completely vapid. Props to Loner for dissecting them.

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Lonerbox has been coming out with absolute bangers. This is just in the last 3 months:

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Huh, this thread hasn't been active much lately.

Anyway here's LonerBox looking at Russel Brands coverage of Ukraine



I tried watching a few of Brands videos, but found them all to be completely vapid. Props to Loner for dissecting them.

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Brand was actually good back in the day during the election with Ed Miliband. Me and the wife were big fans and he was actually good and one of the most prominent left leaning commentators around.

He then took a break after the election and came back super into spirituality which was his main schtick so we stopped watching. Now however he was seriously fallen down the YouTube alt right pipeline.

Not in that he is right wing (although some of his takes seem horrendous) but in that he is doing the exact same misrepresentative, grifting bullshit you get with those types on YouTube. He has basically become the typical online personality that just craves attention and dabbles in conspiratorial bullshit to get attention.

 

[zer0blivion]

A new Renegade Cut dropped today. It's almost 2h long and quite good so far.

What is (and is not) anti-fascism? | Renegade Cut

What is (and is not) anti-fascism? | Renegade Cut

Anti-fascist activity has existed for about one hundred years. Yet, many people, particularly in the United States, have little to no idea about what it real...

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[Dirtyshubb]

Lonerbox did a great video on Hussan and his takes on the Ukraine situation. Hasan really doesn't come out well informed or good but at this point what's new?

 

[Messofanego]

Lonerbox did a great video on Hussan and his takes on the Ukraine situation. Hasan really doesn't come out well informed or good but at this point what's new?

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Been watching Sophie From Mars' Conspiracy On The Left video essay and she brings up what leftist content creators have been reacting like with the Russia invasion. She didn't bring up Hasan so I'll watch this, Lonerbox's previous Ukraine videos on Russell Brand and Putin were great.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Been watching Sophie From Mars' Conspiracy On The Left video essay and she brings up what leftist content creators have been reacting like with the Russia invasion. She didn't bring up Hasan so I'll watch this, Lonerbox's previous Ukraine videos on Russell Brand and Putin were great.

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Lonerbox is great and one of my favourite for these sorts of videos.

As for Hassan, basically he ends up being contradictory on which evidence he will accept, inadvertently pushes russian BS against Ukraine and ultimately does a terrible job of being consistent and fact based because he gets caught up on America being the bad guy.

There is more to it of course but it's a great video.

 

[Isabella420]

Mako Ray is a good leftist youtuber, he's not afriad to be in drag, he talks gender related things, he talks about the shitty college and health system of 'merica. And he does a lot of gaming related things, y'all should check him out he's sorely underated.
His channel

 

[Delphisage]

Rewatched Innuendo Studios recently.
Why does he think that "Cowboy Bebop is better than Evangelion" is a disingenuous belief?

 

[yagal]

Is Leftist Youtube talking about Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard?

 

[Delphisage]

Is Leftist Youtube talking about Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard?

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Should they? It's still celebrity bread and circuses even if there's sexual assault allegations in the mix.

 

[Messofanego]

Is Leftist Youtube talking about Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard?

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On Twitter and some have made videos. Some are now being called fake progressives. Carlos Maza, Princess Weekes, Lindsay Ellis, Sarah Z, Tee Noir, Jessie Earl (Gender).

 

[PeacefulDream]

Given how militant Depp fans and the right have been about this, it's not surprising most of them have avoided the topic or stuck to tweets and comments.

 

[Delusibeta]

On Twitter and some have made videos. Some are now being called fake progressives. Carlos Maza, Princess Weekes, Lindsay Ellis, Sarah Z, Tee Noir, Jessie Earl (Gender).

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The problem is that they all state that Amber Heard was being abused by Johnny Depp, despite the jury being unanimous in the exact opposite being the truth.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

On Twitter and some have made videos. Some are now being called fake progressives. Carlos Maza, Princess Weekes, Lindsay Ellis, Sarah Z, Tee Noir, Jessie Earl (Gender).

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I responded to a tweet from Carlos regarding the case, with me saying the worst part of the verdict was that the victim won and yet it would be used by the right to justify their misogyny and the liberal media would as a result sweep anyone who agreed with the Verdict as being part of the right and he blocked me for it.

There was absolutely nothing in my tweet that was sensationalist and I made it clear that this veridct would be used by the wrong people and yet me simply saying I thought Depp was the victim was enough to block me.

Really disappointing and quite hurtful for me as I was a massive fan but it seems he is following the path a lot of well known leftists online are doing and not only believing Amber but also attacking anyone who disagrees as being toxic misogynists.

 

[rashbeep]

On Twitter and some have made videos. Some are now being called fake progressives. Carlos Maza, Princess Weekes, Lindsay Ellis, Sarah Z, Tee Noir, Jessie Earl (Gender).

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they seem to be more concerned with optics than truth so the criticism they are getting is completely warranted

 

[yagal]

Should they? It's still celebrity bread and circuses even if there's sexual assault allegations in the mix.

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Maybe not on the trial itself but it could be a starting point to talk about how the right is using the verdict, the reaction of the liberal media, Leftist Youtube, men and MeToo movement...

Given how militant Depp fans and the right have been about this, it's not surprising most of them have avoided the topic or stuck to tweets and comments.

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Yeah, maybe it's not the right time... but in the meantime, discourse seems to be dictated by not very good people

I haven't followed the case, I was looking for a good video

Edit: I just watched Princess Weekes' video, I kinda understand what she is trying to say. Most of the time, the video wasn't about this case in particular... which is what I wanted, tbh I don't give a fuck about those 2

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Not "leftist" but I liked this video a lot

 

[zer0blivion]

Pretty good take by Richard Wolff on the "Great Replacement" theory that is a favourite among the far right.

Wolff Responds: Great Replacement Theory - A Critique

In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff critiques the “Great Replacement” Theory that is becoming more mainstream in right-wing ideology. Wolff argues that Repub...

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In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff critiques the "Great Replacement" Theory that is becoming more mainstream in right-wing ideology. Wolff argues that Republicans are partially correct—there has been a replacement—but they have the wrong targets. Since the 1970s, capitalists have been replacing expensive white, christian male workers in order to maximize profits by automating, moving production overseas, and exploiting immigrant workers. The right-wing, in order to protect capitalism, have made immigrants, women, people of color, and any minority group into scapegoats for white Americans' anger. Both Democrats and Republicans need to stand up against capitalist interests and speak out about what's really going on.

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[Deleted member 47700]

It was so so strange going to see The Bob's Burgers movie and hearing Sam Seder over a surround sound cinema setup.