Not true for all studios, people on here probably don't count luigi mansion 3 as AAA but didn't nintendo simply say to the developers to let them know when it's ready.
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Kojima is crunching to meet Death Stranding's release date
- Thread starter Lant_War
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Kojima: "I go number 2 without washing my hands"
Era: "Everyone does this, let's not try to pretend you don't, everyone's just looking for a reason to hate Koji-god"
Era: "Everyone does this, let's not try to pretend you don't, everyone's just looking for a reason to hate Koji-god"
Insomniac seems like one of the most well managed and efficient developers in the business. How they managed to get Spider-Man out in 3 years is mindblowing.
I hope the crunch isn't so bad for the devs there as it is at Bioware, Naughty Dog and Rockstar. Three months before release seems a bit early for crunch to me.
It's sad how accurate these are.
Game is out in ~3 months, not "4+ months". When you consider it needs to "go gold" around 1 month before release that means they have 2 months to complete development on a product that's going to be printed on disks and be in a shipable state. That a perfectly reasonable time frame.
I guess anything is "possible" but this is a very low possibility. Tonnes of evidence to suggest that Sony's recent trend is to not announce release dates for games and enter into a marketing push unless they are going to ship on said day.
A few weeks of crunch is normal, but three months before release like here seems too much. We also don't know when the crunch started.
And EA told BioWare to keep making a game for six years before saying "are you gonna get this done? Can you start doing it?" And I think many publishers go through a cycle of eventually asking the developers to get the product produced which leads to the release deathmarch crunch, but undoubtedly Nintendo is better to employees than other big studios... But I don't think they never crunch. I think pretty much every game has been crunch heavy as far as switch exclusives go. A lot here might see Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild with rose tinted glasses but when I look at them I can tell there was cut content and an incentive on the dev side to put in lots of prefabs and placeholders to make them "done". That is always a sign that a game was under pressure to get out the door, and Mario Odyssey wasn't really made in that much time either.
It's not though, this is the nature of projects with deadlines. You push them back when you can and in a utopian world you'd be able to push back indefinitely. The problems occur when these crunch periods turn into year-long unpaid overtime stages of development.
With that said, I don't mind a delay for this game as the release date seemed to be sooner than plenty of us were expecting, take your time.
lmao
Reset when the release date for DS announced: Wow, 2019 release date? Incredible, Kojima's team have created a full AAA game in such a short amount of time. Is this the fastest a game has ever gone from concept to release?
Kojima: yeah we're in crunch 3 months before release
Reset: WHAAAAA?!?!!
Reset when the release date for DS announced: Wow, 2019 release date? Incredible, Kojima's team have created a full AAA game in such a short amount of time. Is this the fastest a game has ever gone from concept to release?
Kojima: yeah we're in crunch 3 months before release
Reset: WHAAAAA?!?!!
We really don't know how well polished it is until the game releases. Some of the trailers had some wonky animations that I hope are fixed by release.
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People are WAAAY too soft nowadays.
So your job is asking you to work extra hours to see your current project over the finish line. Suck it up, that's life. Apparently it's pretty common in this industry, so you might want to find a new one if it bothers you so much.
"Oh my god, someone please think of the poor devs!" Fuck off, if they don't like it they can leave, nobody is holding a gun to their head. If they feel like they're getting exploited but are too spineless to stand up for themselves then more fool them.
Stop white knighting for intelligent adults with the available agency to do as they please. It's embarrassing.
So your job is asking you to work extra hours to see your current project over the finish line. Suck it up, that's life. Apparently it's pretty common in this industry, so you might want to find a new one if it bothers you so much.
"Oh my god, someone please think of the poor devs!" Fuck off, if they don't like it they can leave, nobody is holding a gun to their head. If they feel like they're getting exploited but are too spineless to stand up for themselves then more fool them.
Stop white knighting for intelligent adults with the available agency to do as they please. It's embarrassing.
Almost every job has crunch. My job, where I work from home and have a flexible schedule, has crunch at times.
"Oh crap we didn't hit our goals, can you work 6 extra hours per week, OT paid, for the next month?" is way different than "Oh crap we didn't hit our goals, work 80 hours for the next 5 months, and maybe we'll pay you i dunno, or John will take your job."
In an ideal world, everything would be planned perfectly and would come together flawlessly. But that's not the world we live in.
Wow. I'm more shocked about how people made a huge deal when others devs do crunch, but not here.
I'm not saying Era is hive minded, because it very much isn't. But it seemed like everyone was on board against crunch.
I'm not saying Era is hive minded, because it very much isn't. But it seemed like everyone was on board against crunch.
Uuh, its the studio's first video game. The tweet says the team is tiny. Its a passion project for sure. They want to prove themselves with their own studio. I'm not even sure you understand start up mentality or if you're ever been in a start up but the team being small means every one of them will probably get a good piece of the pie if this project is a success.
In any creative field that has hard deadlines you're going to encounter some kind of crunch. Whether you're working in TV or drawing comics or developing a big game. Not even the best laid plans don't hit some snags along the way and crunch can ensue.
That said crunch should be minimized as much as possible with good planning, communication and some common sense. It's when Crunch goes on for weeks or months with seemingly no end in sight that things become ugly and fucked up. Especially when you're not properly compensated or acknowledged for the insane amount of time and effort put forward.
Crunch will happen in many cases as that's the nature of the beast but it's when it becomes a crutch for other issues and the workers are not respected that things get really ugly.
That said crunch should be minimized as much as possible with good planning, communication and some common sense. It's when Crunch goes on for weeks or months with seemingly no end in sight that things become ugly and fucked up. Especially when you're not properly compensated or acknowledged for the insane amount of time and effort put forward.
Crunch will happen in many cases as that's the nature of the beast but it's when it becomes a crutch for other issues and the workers are not respected that things get really ugly.
He has been talking about being tired on twitter for longer than this( Thread ), also going gold isn't the end of crunch they have a day one patch to crunch for.
Yep. There is a difference between constant unofficial unpaid crunch (Rockstar) and acknowledged paid / compensation crunch to finish a project (which we aren't sure is the case for DS).
The tone around crunch in this thread is hilariously different than threads around other publishers. It's kind of gross tbh
Kojima: "I sometimes get splash back when I do number 2"
Era: "No one does this, lets not pretend you do, everyone's juts looking for reasons to excuse Kojia-hack"
Anyone can play this game. Not sure why people make posts like this.
This 3000. People are counting on a Kojima release date. This game is going to be delayed. I call it.
I just think gaming is notorious for getting away with cutting costs on salaries by not paying overtime and by creating a work culture that's like "yo man this dude is a bro, he stuck around to 3am last night to finish the level, give him a high five".
I believe that is the scenario that RDR2 was under. Dan or Sam Houser would applaud their crunch workers by making them come up to make a high five and giving the mood in the studio that people who volunteer to work themselves to death are heroes. That is the real issue. That and posing crunch as "voluntary" but at the same time insinuating that people who don't follow suit will either be looked down upon or lose their jobs after the project.
All part and parcel now reading this thread. Lol
Will be fun to link this one in the next crunch thread.
This reads like a joke post.
The game is still 3 months out. If they've already started crunch, then that's going to be 90+ days of extra hours and more time committed. Yes we don't know the exact details regarding over time pay, how many hours, how "forced" they feel to do this, but it's still very much a problem. Especially when we have other studios who don't suffer from it.
You have to be kidding me with the whole "lol why not just leave" argument. You work on a game for 4+ years, then you see your boss stay later and later every day. You expect people to just walk up and leave in the last few months of a project that they spent 4 years on? Are you serious?
False. I've never crunched on any projects at my current company.
Sad to hear this. Hasn't he suggested from his social media that he's already incredibly stressed and on the brink of burnout completing this game, and that was before he announced they're in crunch mode? I hope he takes care of himself and his team.
It really depends who it is and which game. Not a hive mind but definitely a collective group of minds that share the same opinions pending the situation.
Not seeing any mention of development crunch in any of those tweets.
I never said gold was the end of crunch, I'm saying that it's reasonable why they need to be engaging in crunch right now because they have ~2months before the game goes gold.
You guys that are regularly crunching at your comparatively small time tech companies should really look into hiring competent project management personnel.
Yup. And I'm pretty sure 343 also adopted the longer dev cycle to reduce crunch so infinite takes about 5 years versus the normal 3 ish according to bonnie ross
For all you know, his statement could be accurate. Maybe it would be wise to see what the game has to offer first before dishing out unfounded judgement.
I am pretty sure crunch for Japan and crunch for western studio is the same. Japanese workers are known to do a lot of extra hours and not taking much vacation.
Because a lot of R* devs spoke out on Twitter about the terrible working conditions. This is not the same.