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Kojima: Death Stranding Had Stronger Criticism in the US, Possibly Because It Flies Above Shooters
- Thread starter Shakerovic
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I love the game, I just want to point something out that might impact this, all Japanese games have small things that make them Japanese. If it's different cultural norms, bad translations, different branding etc etc
You take a boat from Ohio to Iowa, the game has no concept of US geography, unlike Horizon ZD.
Monster is fairly new to Japan and very popular right now.
The names used for characters are very Japanese.
Monster is fairly new to Japan and very popular right now.
The names used for characters are very Japanese.
i didn't miss it, it was a bad take
what irony
The fact that the discourse around this game (which, 12 hours in, I can't fault one bit) is so focused on 'intelligence' only serves to highlight just how far games and gamers have to go. Both 'sides' of this ridiculous argument should be embarrassed.
I think Death Stranding is wonderful. That has nothing to do with being intelligent, or 'pretentious'. It means I enjoy and appreciate a thing. It resonates, and that's great. I wish my fellow Death Stranding likers could just be happy to enjoy something this much without being dickheads.
The next poster might think Death Stranding is boring, find it frustrating, or heavy handed and self-indulgent. That doesn't make them unintelligent, unsophisticated or only capable of appreciating 'shootbang'. It just does nothing for them. And that should be fine, both to the people who feel differently, and to themselves. It's okay to not like a thing. Trade it in and move on. Be happy for the people for whom it's something really fun or special. Stop being mad at something that isn't for you, simply for existing.
Stop being dickheads. I can't wrap my head around why you would continue to berate anyone for not feeling the same way you do.
Go play your game.
Go play something else.
Because this is fucking infantile.
I think Death Stranding is wonderful. That has nothing to do with being intelligent, or 'pretentious'. It means I enjoy and appreciate a thing. It resonates, and that's great. I wish my fellow Death Stranding likers could just be happy to enjoy something this much without being dickheads.
The next poster might think Death Stranding is boring, find it frustrating, or heavy handed and self-indulgent. That doesn't make them unintelligent, unsophisticated or only capable of appreciating 'shootbang'. It just does nothing for them. And that should be fine, both to the people who feel differently, and to themselves. It's okay to not like a thing. Trade it in and move on. Be happy for the people for whom it's something really fun or special. Stop being mad at something that isn't for you, simply for existing.
Stop being dickheads. I can't wrap my head around why you would continue to berate anyone for not feeling the same way you do.
Go play your game.
Go play something else.
Because this is fucking infantile.
I'm American and kinda like DS. Fuck this bullshit that wants to gloss over the problems with this game. If you want to make something different then expect divisive reviews. It doesn't.guarantee anything.
I like the desolation and mood, reminds me of Inside. But the menu's, bossfights, and enemy encounters are seriously lacking. Plus about halfway through and the story is not good at all. Let the chips fall where they may and if the game sells well enough, expand with a sequel.
I like the desolation and mood, reminds me of Inside. But the menu's, bossfights, and enemy encounters are seriously lacking. Plus about halfway through and the story is not good at all. Let the chips fall where they may and if the game sells well enough, expand with a sequel.
Besides the fact that NA didnt review the game any lower then other regions.
Kojima is a brilliant marketer. He oversees some really great trailers, spins his work really well, and comes up with some amazing PR and marketing stunts. That is the extent of his genius. I sure won't deny that the man has pulled off some really cool and memorable marketing gimmicks, and that I've never seen a bad trailer for any of his games.
I legit wish his games were as clever as that. I wish I could love them, but I'm sticking by my comparison to him being about as good a writer as David Cage. Hell, he even loads his games with gross sexism just as often.
I legit wish his games were as clever as that. I wish I could love them, but I'm sticking by my comparison to him being about as good a writer as David Cage. Hell, he even loads his games with gross sexism just as often.
Out of 10, on a 1 thru 10 that is pretty damning. 0 or a 1 should be a game that ships unbootable or damages hardware, etc.
I can't wait for Kojima to start making movies and get utterly eviscerated by actual professional film critics that don't have the low standards for story and dialogue that games media does. The shock will be real.
Irredeemable garbage is damning, but a 3.5 just doesn't fit that statement to me.
It's real, I took the pic myself at the pop-up gallery last Friday. You can read about the event here:
What that blog doesn't tell you is that after your reservation gets read and you get past that nice lit hall with the Ludens statue, the very first thing you see is a showcase of Kojima's conference passes and Death Stranding's pre-release awards:
Not only that, but the gallery's walls were plastered with Kojima quotes.
But what really struck me is that despite the event being a gallery, NOTHING was labeled except for the selfie wall.
So I had no idea who made any of this gorgeous concept art.
Cool. So you're literally just trolling, and since you refuse to provide evidence for some really extraordinary claims like how people make alt accounts just to badmouth him, I have to also assume you're just outright lying.
Tables would be flying out the window. Sounds like an utterly awful mechanic tbh.
fair enough. but it's a very US centric game gist of it all, that reception will carry most brunt
People are just going keep ignoring this to push their narrative. They were pulling this same dumb shit in the review thread and now that god king Kojima parroted it they think they've hit the jackpot. Too bad it's all based on a lie. But who cares about the truth, right?
He just...comes off like such a pretentious windbag.
The dude's career is almost entirely driven by a melodrama stealth series, so I don't get where it even comes from. Guessing it's too many people are around him saying he's a genius.
The first-person shooter comment is just nonsensical, when his own games are reviewed better by US outlets than multiple other FPS series up to Call of Duty. Not to mention multiple other genres outside guns have gotten well reviewed, even including games that have very little in the way of gameplay systems that involve quite a bit of walking across terrain.
I've seen enough gameplay footage of Death Stranding to note how it iterates on his last Metal Gear Solid game, and not enough unique systems to even back up how "very original" he thinks his game is.
The dude's career is almost entirely driven by a melodrama stealth series, so I don't get where it even comes from. Guessing it's too many people are around him saying he's a genius.
The first-person shooter comment is just nonsensical, when his own games are reviewed better by US outlets than multiple other FPS series up to Call of Duty. Not to mention multiple other genres outside guns have gotten well reviewed, even including games that have very little in the way of gameplay systems that involve quite a bit of walking across terrain.
I've seen enough gameplay footage of Death Stranding to note how it iterates on his last Metal Gear Solid game, and not enough unique systems to even back up how "very original" he thinks his game is.
This reads like you think it's still the 90s and film critics are some rarefied breed of intellectuals.
I mean let's not pretend that gone home had to deal with expectations created by MGS games.
Funny you say that as they sent DS to some film critics to review as well and from what I've seen they loved it
He has a pretty decent sense of direction and cinematography. The writing, especially character writing, is his Achilles heel.
This 100x, dude just needs to shut up about others not being smart enough to understand his game that clearly has flaws that many gamers have noted.
Giant Bomb's review was actually about how the reviewer enjoyed the traversal gameplay most of all and thought the shooting/combat was bad and out of place, as well as thinking that the writing was terrible.
I was pointing out a certain trend, not necessarily this game in particular. I happen to agree with the general statement encompassing other art forms. I have not played DS yet, and I have never been the biggest fan of Kojima (the writer, that is; as a director, he is extremely talented, I think).
This is killing me because I had a professor who was exactly like this.
Ah, the legendary Dumbening that happened right before Death Stranding launched.
yikes
"i can excuse sexism but pretension is where i draw the line" is definitely a worthy take for this thread
He's wrong, but i can understand why he said that. Even in era before the game got released, you'll see many post asking "where is the gameplay" during trailer. Probably muddled his perception.
It's real, I took the pic myself at the pop-up gallery last Friday. You can read about the event here:
What that blog doesn't tell you is that after your reservation gets read and you get past that nice lit hall with the Ludens statue, the very first thing you see is a showcase of Kojima's conference passes and Death Stranding's pre-release awards:
Not only that, but the gallery's walls were plastered with Kojima quotes.
But what really struck me is that despite the event being a gallery, NOTHING was labeled except for the selfie wall.
So I had no idea who made any of this gorgeous concept art.
You know...maybe it's starting to make more and more sense why some Executive at Konami basically told Kojima to fuck off. Just a little bit more.
Having said that, I'm enjoying Death Stranding, but I can completely understand why somebody would not like this game. The fact that Kojima can't figure that out is pretty amazing for all the wrong reasons.
It's real, I took the pic myself at the pop-up gallery last Friday. You can read about the event here:
What that blog doesn't tell you is that after your reservation gets read and you get past that nice lit hall with the Ludens statue, the very first thing you see is a showcase of Kojima's conference passes and Death Stranding's pre-release awards:
Not only that, but the gallery's walls were plastered with Kojima quotes.
But what really struck me is that despite the event being a gallery, NOTHING was labeled except for the selfie wall.
So I had no idea who made any of this gorgeous concept art.
You know the funny thing that strikes me about this is that, when you have a team of developers, you'll see others in the limelight and you can distinguish developers on the team.
Does anyone else know who played a big part in DS other than Kojima?
BTW.. having nothing but his quotes on the walls... ugh.
Maybe he actually did manage to meet up with him when he was in NYC lol
He's right in a more general sense. This didn't connect with the average casual gamer because it's not a shooter or open world fantasy game. Delivering boxes isnt going to sound appealing to a lot of people on paper.
