Is there something about image quality that Series X versions of these Multiplatform games can't do, that they will be doing on PS5? Not sure I understand.
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John (Digital Foundry) on PS5: ''Just talking to developers...I think people will be surprised in a good way about the PS5''
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Does the average PC have an SSD? I know I was a little shocked re: Steam stats and GPUs, but I have no idea how the rest of it shakes out.
Yeah I get that, I just don't see the fourth or fifth fastest card as mid range, but thats on me i guess
The way PS5's I/O pipeline acceleration has been tied to the cache scrubbers could have positive performance implications for PS5 (i.e., Punching above its theoretical performance in terms of raw numbers). Remember, one of the leading cause of stalls is the I/O pipeline and the need to efficiently replace stale data without losing an inordinate amount of cycles in the process. PS5 really has been optimized in this regard.
Usually it is that case, a pc with the same cpu and different gpu's you can tell the difference, but in these consoles case there is some customization there with the SSD in the PS5 etc. I'm still trying to understand how an SSD drive and faster data transmission makes up for a weaker gpu even if clocked at higher speeds.
Hell, PS1 -> XB was massive when you think about it.
I mean, the 32bit era ended with this:
and then you look at OG XB ending the generation:
Most new pc's have an ssd even if it's not a gaming pc. Price of SSD's have fallen so much that I would not recommend buying ANY pc without an SSD. It makes that big of a difference to the user experience.
Now the speed of the ssd is a whole other story.
Oh I know new ones do. I'm talking more of the PCs used to play games on Steam such that they're in that giant chart of hardware lol.
that's what I'm waiting for now, everything is a tease before that
Terrible comparison. The Cell was Sony's achilles heel for the longest time and XSX and PS5 have almost identical or actual identical architecture.
Literally the only area where these two consoles are not in touching distance of one another is the SSD speed. And in that regard PS5 has a 100% + advantage.
These consoles are basically twins, one slim and fast, one wide and slow but the performance at the end of the day will be almost identical.
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Aka please let there be a huge difference.
No, the Series X should always have the edge - but it's a marginal edge. If both output a 4K image at a locked 60 fps...and only pixel counters can tell if one's native and one isn't...does it matter if one is checkerboarded and the other is native? Or if one's based at 1440p and the other is 1800p?
What he's tryin' to say is that Sony's the bomb.
It's that true shit, Sony's true shit. Slick black (and white).
It's that true shit, Sony's true shit. Slick black (and white).
The other two preferred platforms aren't a secret either, so it's a wash
pretty sure that chart doesn't account for storage. but i would imagine the vast majority of people who have mid range gaming PCs have SSDs.
That's why I'm asking--I built mine a couple years ago and that didn't seem like the case? I think it is now, but like another user said--speed is a whole other thing entirely.
The Architecture and System IO is quite modern
Its the best value for money device you can get currently
Its the best value for money device you can get currently
A 2070 is still very comfortably a high end GPU. It can max most games at high framerates at 1440p and above. Midrange would be 1060/70 and AMD equivalents
Rich's sarcastic wit doesn't get enough credit. He's legitimately funny.
if you built a PC a couple years ago and didn't get an SSD that's on you lol
I've been using them for 10 years
I think you are simplifying things too much. The SSD architecture in particular is leaps and bounds better than what any "mid-range" owner will have on the PC side.
What? Mine has an SSD. When going through the whole process, it didn't seem like the average "mid price" PC had one at that time.
Based on what? a 12tf gpu does not perform identically to a 10tf GPU
CPU is faster on X, but thats close to a wash
Then you have the faster ram
Ps5 has the faster SSD
The performance will not be identical.
Genuine question:
Can you build a PC for $500 with the same or better RAM, CPU, GPU, and SSD?
Not just GPU--which I think is valid, but incomplete. But the whole package. I don't think you could, but I also genuinely don't know--I threw money at my PC lol.
I hear what you are saying. The difference on paper is like having a 2070 vs a 2080 with other minor differences. Whether that difference matters is up to the individual but there's a reason the 2070 outsells the 2080 and that's because they are close enough in terms of performance for the average joe. I think the difference between the XSX and PS5 will be "close enough" to where the average gamer isn't going to pick up either box because of performance differences.
Whilst I agree with your general premise, It isn't exactly the same with consoles as it is between PC GPU's of the same brand, because the consoles use different SDK's, API's etc to one another, not to mention other unique hardware or software features that could impact development, efficiency, performance etc.
youre splitting hairs. i said "modern" gaming PC like if you were going to build one right now. but they have been commonplace for a long time now.
I'm not splitting anything, I was just asking a question because I had no idea and only looked at stuff a couple of years ago.
I dont think the average gamer will care . They will buy the console they want. Hell im getting a series s for my bedroom and do not care at all about the difference.
But to say there wont be a difference, or that the difference wont be noticeable just wont be true.
Another devs have chimed in saying that the Series X's strengths will be tangible. This idea that there will be little to no differences just serves to diminish the efforts of the Xbox team.
More like, enough with the difference is intangible nonsense.
It is almost like people are trying to posit that the PS5 and Series X are equal, and that the Xbox's advantages count for nothing.
MS sure fucked up if all of those extra CUs yield nothing in terms of am advantage, however small, yet tangible.
I agree, wait for the games.
No one will be disappointed.
It won't be noticeable during gameplay and that's what matters. Nobody is stopping their game to look for differences in a 200% zoom.
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Wait, what?
This doesn't make sense, people are just being realistic.
if you are talking the last 5 years then to answer your question, yes, any gaming PC build would include an SSD
No it doesn't. Again, nothing I said refutes the fact that the Series X will show tangible differences, just that we may have odd instances where the PS5 performs better in areas and the overall gap may not be huge. Doesn't mean there won't be a gap.
Stop misrepresenting what I'm saying.
Haha it was a joke 🙃.
Since some want to wish it into existence
Both consoles are going to be significantly more powerful than the "average" PC for quite a few years.
People on here would have you believe every PC has 3+GB/sec SSD and a 2080 with a top of the line Zen 2.
This is of course nonsense.
Look at the steam hardware survey for 2020, it's quite interesting and paints a very, very different picture than the narrative presented on sites like Resetera: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Have a peruse through, and see what % of PC gamers have rigs that can outperform PS5 or XSX. For example only 10% of PC gamers have 8 or more CPU cores. So PS5/XSX likely have more powerful CPUs than 90% of PC gamers, having 8 core Zen 2 CPUs running at 3.5Ghz and 3.6Ghz respectively.
Thank you for this. That's why I struggle when folks talk about average, because that seems to be way lower than most expect?