Sure, I agree - but this ad is about responding to attack ads from the Trump team against Biden.
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Joe Biden's new ad is problematic when it comes to how it talks about China [See Staff Post]
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Sure, I agree - but this ad is about responding to attack ads from the Trump team against Biden.
"40.000 travelled from China to US after Travel Ban"
"Trump left in 40.000 travelers from China into America after he signed it."
to be fair the explicit text of advertising is probably not where all of the intended messaging is lodged
it is advertising after all
I believe the correct tactic is to let the Trump campaign continue to frame Biden as "Beijing Biden."
It's nuanced, for sure, but it is worth correctly noting what was actually stated in the ad, just to prevent any distortions from spreading.
The intention of this ad was to harshly rebuke the claim that Biden is selling out American lives for Chinese business/government interests by exposing Trump's hypocrisy and failures.
I think it's valid to have a conversation about the ad and hopefully the Biden campaign can do better to ensure that people aren't alienated as he pushes back against false narratives.
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You mean Hillary "For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia" Clinton?
oof
i guess racism is to be expected when you nominated someone like biden, given his hugely problematic legislative history
y'all could have had an actual progressive but y'all chose joe instead
i guess racism is to be expected when you nominated someone like biden, given his hugely problematic legislative history
y'all could have had an actual progressive but y'all chose joe instead
do you really think it's worth fighting on Trump's playground when it comes to rhetoric?
This is extremely problematic. We cannot simply assume people will get the context of "Chinese = Chinese government" when this entire country is full of xenophobe people. That language just increases the problem. We cannot normalize language that can be used easily to discriminate people.
Yes.
This language has always been problematic. The fact that we are seeing so much more racist actions towards Asians makes this a BIGGER problem.
Also you are ignoring the fact that you can't identify a Russian person walking in the streets. You can identify an Asian person (which for racists Asian = Chinese). It's SO MUCH EASIER to discriminate the Asian population in the US than the Russian. Such different groups of people.
Yes.
This language has always been problematic. The fact that we are seeing so much more racist actions towards Asians makes this a BIGGER problem.
Also you are ignoring the fact that you can't identify a Russian person walking in the streets. You can identify an Asian person (which for racists Asian = Chinese). It's SO MUCH EASIER to discriminate the Asian population in the US than the Russian. Such different groups of people.
so the strategy to combat racist smears by a literal death cult is to also be racist, huh. keep downplaying it
yes
given that russia is an autocracy "the russians" didn't do anything.
This. I'm not for sure how many people even watched the ad. To me it's a stretch to try and interpret it the way this forum is but they could add "government" to alleviate concerns
Definitely not downplaying anything. But what do we accomplish by coming out and saying "I won't vote for Biden" because of this. If people don't want to vote for Biden for any reason that's on them. Don't think it's very constructive to come out and say it but that's just my opinion.
Yes. Also it's not easy for people to tell the difference between a Russian and any other white person, while unfortunately it is easier to discriminate against other Asian Americans like me and other white people because we don't look like other white people.
yep. saying "China" would've carried a very different tone
Why is it whenever there's a thread about racism towards Asians on this forum people like to come and post "I don't know if it's actually racism" or "i don't see any racism here".
it's nauseating. saying shit like 'it's a stretch to consider this racist' is inexcusable
Shitty ad.
Also interesting it only gets past page 2 when it can be used to bludgeon others politically (see other asian thread struggle lol)
Also interesting it only gets past page 2 when it can be used to bludgeon others politically (see other asian thread struggle lol)
i think it's constructive to say it because listening to minorities' concerns is always helpful
People largely didn't care that Biden was a rapist, and people largely aren't going to care that he's also likely a racist. Fact of the matter is, moral and ethical standards don't matter anymore when it comes to selecting a president for this country. It's depressing to think that I may be forced to cast my vote for Biden simply because there's an even larger rapist and racist residing in the Oval Office.
To think that this is the best this country can do. Christ, what a pitiful state of affairs.
To think that this is the best this country can do. Christ, what a pitiful state of affairs.
This ad is aimed at potential Trump swing voters. The usage of "the Chinese" is intentional and wrong.
Racism isn't a race, and there isn't a he's less racist.
Both are terrible.
Not really, Taiwanese here, Both US Party party would be the same, and would use Taiwan as a tool against China, and ignore us the rest of the time, unless they want us to buy weapon.
And not allow us to join any international orginization, etc.
Please tell us how to think, because we're not white, so we're children that need to be taught what it actually mean and will happen to people living in a country that has advocated violent through government and civilian mean.
Not trying to downplay, just understand: do you find the language inherently objectionable, or just the fact that it's careless in considering how it will be received and by whom? You might say it's a distinction without a difference, but I think it's the crux of where drew the line on calling the whole ad racist in intent or not.
Completely agree but how can we prove that we are a minority and not some trump supporter trying to create conflict. I know it's impossible because of the anonymous nature of internet forums but I think it's something that we should keep in mind. And trump supporters thrive when it comes to shit like this which is why I initially said that the ad was a miscalculation. Democrats have to walk a very very fine line to appease their base but an even finer line when it comes to reaching out to republicans who only respond to dog whistle.
This is a thought I had as well. They must have crunched the numbers and figured making this ad with a racist tone while outlining Trump's incompetence is worth the potential swing voters? There's no way this was an accident.
The second one definitely. That's why when saying "The British" or "The French" is really not that big of a problem in our current society (but it could be, so we should avoid it). I think we just have to understand that there is a xenophobia problem in this country and language like this is ammunition for that problem. Just differentiating between the Government/the people is important.
I think we can see the effect the lack of this differenciation has done to the people of the Middle East. I feel we allowed for too much time the language that leads to the idea that Middle East people = terrorist.
From what I've seen as an outsider, this is America, it's never been a haven for progressiveness, what Americans care about most are their job security, their paycheck, and they see a white centrist neo liberal as someone who can secure that, Sanders, AOC are too progressive for a centrist, right leaning society such as America, even in most blue states it's mostly centrist.
If we're criticising the language used in a campaign ad, isn't it pertinent that the language analysed/critiqued is accurate?
In my mind, there's a difference between saying "40,000 X people entered" and "40,000 traveled from X into the Y after travel ban [was enacted - and talked up repeatedly]"
The Dems are more incompetent than even my wildest imaginations. Yeah let's go hard after China, the thing that Trump is known for doing, despite all apparent facts that China handled this pandemic like a thousand times better than the United States. Who cares if Asian Americans get hurt in the process? It's utterly fucking ridiculous and the nth fucking case of how these people will counter-schedule against all decency even when completely unforced, and frankly, at this point, or with how pervasive this sort of thing is, withholding our vote is honestly perhaps the only way to 'help' them. They literally just keep tirelessly building up the case for why they actually don't deserve anyone's vote.
yeah, this angle of attack is strange, I wouldn't have done this if I were biden. We should probably focus on the failed ramp up of testing, and weird mask guidelines/guidance from cdc. I don't find the ad problematic, but it's probably better to focus on what we did wrong ourselves.
Nope what I dont want is white people pretending to be outraged about this. Asian people definitely have the right to complain.
Another related issue to this that will be coming up, is I'm sure Trump will eventually ask China to "pay for the virus" (probably in those words); and he would have a point, but will be taken to a racist extreme. I'm sure a lot of countries will ask China for reparations after the virus (I've already seen op-eds in my home country news paper) and we know that history rhymes, so how the world and China handles the aftermath will be historic.
Just no, the CCP tried to cover up the pandemic and silenced doctors who tried to warn the world, it's because of the CCP mishandling of the situation and them putting their prestige and economy above their international reputation and safety of their own people that we're in this pandemic clusterfuck in the first place.
Yeah, After 8 years of Regan America got 4 years of Bush Senior, a hardcore conservative, 8 years of Clinton, a Biden like Neo liberal rapist centrist, 8 years of bush junior then finally Obama, another centrist, then you have Trump, America will never lean left, center is the best it can do.
The US had ample time to take things seriously. The US owns their own failures.
"The Chinese"
Wtf????? I had to check my fcking calendar to make sure the year was accurate. Yea, I have come to expect racism to permeate every and all avenues of life (and I don't see that ever going away), but I didn't expect the goddamn Democratic nominee to dog-whistle this hard about an ethnic group of people. Incredibly irresponsible and dangerous fcking language, that will only cause more spikes in hate-crimes towards Asian-Americans across the political spectrum.
Biden really showing what an antiquated racist dinosaur he is. And he probably still defends the language used here and "doesn't see what the big deal is."
Edit: This is like saying "The Blacks". Super weird dehumanizing langauge when used against a minority group. Not that I expect priviledged people to ever stop to consider.
Wtf????? I had to check my fcking calendar to make sure the year was accurate. Yea, I have come to expect racism to permeate every and all avenues of life (and I don't see that ever going away), but I didn't expect the goddamn Democratic nominee to dog-whistle this hard about an ethnic group of people. Incredibly irresponsible and dangerous fcking language, that will only cause more spikes in hate-crimes towards Asian-Americans across the political spectrum.
Biden really showing what an antiquated racist dinosaur he is. And he probably still defends the language used here and "doesn't see what the big deal is."
Edit: This is like saying "The Blacks". Super weird dehumanizing langauge when used against a minority group. Not that I expect priviledged people to ever stop to consider.
Not excusing Trump's failure in handling the Pandemic, but the CCP failed, deliberately even, in handling the Pandemic just as much and my remarks concern your attempt at whitewashing the CCP's handling of the situation.
It's the same shit the Third-Way, moderate, whatever-you-want-to-call-it wing of the party has done forever.
They cower and bend to the arena and rules the Republicans play by.
And all it does is muddy their own messaging, undercut their own philosophical differences, and invite the argument that if you are simply trying to out-tough the other guy on their terms, why not just go with the guy that is stronger in his convictions?
It's diversionary political BS to distract from how bad the US is handling this. The Dems can't even be trusted to call on or criticize Trump's handling of the pandemic, they literally have to run cover for him because they're morons that don't want to win. Not even voting for them can help them.
Yep :(