Jeff Grubb: Xbox Live Gold is going away and playing online multiplayer will be free (Speculation)

VeePs · Jul 31, 2020

Gemüsepizza said:
Edit: Another argument against the move: People are (kind of) fine with paying for online, but when you ask them, mostly hate MTX. And now MS wants to focus on MTX?

You think having paid online is going to get rid of Microtransactions?

Meanwhile NBA 2K20 and other *full priced games* have more microtransactions than ever?

Uncharted 4 MP and Last of Us Remastered MP also had micro-transactions. That didn't go away.

And since the Factions MP is apparently going F2P, I guarantee you you'll see microtransactions.

mute · Jul 31, 2020

This is great (if true). Paid access to online play has always been BS.

On a side note: who is Jeff Grubb and why have I only seen threads about him over the past couple months or so?

TsuWave · Jul 31, 2020

ArjanN said:
They wouldn't be forced to, but it'd be a really bad look comparitively.

Thus "it would be a pretty big deal". I still don't think it would be the difference maker people are thinking. I feel like most people would shrug and go about buying the console with the games they want. I mean, 360 was the only out of the three with paid online and it hardly dented its momentum

Qudi · Jul 31, 2020

Im hoping for:

A few new announcements
Current games visual upgrades for next gen
PS5 UI/UX demo

I dont think we will get a price yet until september or october.

Sry wrong Jeff thread.

Rat King · Jul 31, 2020

I'll believe it when I see it. Would be great though.

jsnepo · Jul 31, 2020

I want this to be true just to put pressure on Sony to remove their online multiplayer paywall.

VeePs · Jul 31, 2020

Qudi said:
Im hoping for:

A few new announcements
Current games visual upgrades for next gen
PS5 UI/UX demo

I dont think we will get a price yet until september or october.

You're looking for the other Jeff Grubb thread :p

Aaron D. · Jul 31, 2020

I've never been against paid online as I've always recognized the myriad of supported services the money goes towards to setup & maintain.

Of course free is always good, so there's that. But the cost of R&D/running these programs never seemed like a deal to me.

Good news either way if true.

Qudi · Jul 31, 2020

VeePs said:
You're looking for the other Jeff Grubb thread :p

OH shieeeeet. There are too many Jeff threads xD
im sorry

ArkhamFantasy · Jul 31, 2020

I'd be absolutely shocked, i think there might be something lost in communication here.

Like they're changing it to where F2P doesn't need a paywall or it's being combined with gamepass or something like that. I don't know how many tens of millions of XBLG subscribers they have, but if they were to throw that away it's billions of dollars in lost revenue, this would have to translate into billions of dollars in growth for MTX and game sales just to recover the cost, that's an enormous assumption.

There are better ways to spend billions of dollars, you could buy a major AAA publisher, you could give away all of your first party games.

It would be pretty awesome if it were true, and would show incredible balls on Xbox's part.

Grayson · Jul 31, 2020

Shareholders will flip out if true.

SpeedyBlueDude · Jul 31, 2020

Wow, I can't believe this is really happening.

Microsoft is really posed to bitch Sony out this year, like Sony did to them in 2013.

Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.
Paid online.

Microsoft literally Reverse'd everything onto Sony this time. All Sony has is the "ecosystem, no ones gonna wanna switch consoles they'll just stay on the same platform!" And "we have the best exclusives".

We saw how that worked for Microsoft last gen. 🤣

Let's see if Exclusives really do sell consoles. Definitely didn't help Microsoft in 2013 despite coming off Halo's/Gear's High points. And definitely didn't help Nintendo sell the Wii U.

TheGhost · Jul 31, 2020

Major Nelson was supposed to be on KindaFunny games daily today, wonder if Greg asked him about it.

Nolbertos · Jul 31, 2020

Damn MS is seriously going after Sony's PSN infrastructure. Guess we'll see how this plays out

Windu · Jul 31, 2020

Grayson said:
Shareholders will flip out if true.

This won't even budge their stock price.

KamenRiderEra · Jul 31, 2020

Microsoft started it, so it's fitting to be the one to end it. Series X and PC is closer and closer....

Lepi · Jul 31, 2020

SpeedyBlueDude said:
Wow, I can't believe this is really happening.

Microsoft is really posed to bitch Sony out this year, like Sony did to them in 2013.

Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.
Paid online.

Microsoft literally Reverse'd everything onto Sony this time. All Sony has is the "ecosystem, no ones gonna wanna switch consoles they'll just stay on the same platform!" And "we have the best exclusives".

We saw how that worked for Microsoft last gen. 🤣

Let's see if Exclusives really do sell consoles. Definitely didn't help Microsoft in 2013 despite coming off Halo's/Gear's High points. And definitely didn't help Nintendo sell the Wii U.

Satire? Hopefully satire.

FearonDuve · Jul 31, 2020

If this happens, Sony will definitely need to answer back some how. Either going free as well or adding on top of PS+ with maybe PSNow or whatever else they do this upcoming gen.

Bunkles · Jul 31, 2020

SpeedyBlueDude said:
Wow, I can't believe this is really happening.

Microsoft is really posed to bitch Sony out this year, like Sony did to them in 2013.

Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.
Paid online.

Microsoft literally Reverse'd everything onto Sony this time. All Sony has is the "ecosystem, no ones gonna wanna switch consoles they'll just stay on the same platform!" And "we have the best exclusives".

We saw how that worked for Microsoft last gen. 🤣

Let's see if Exclusives really do sell consoles. Definitely didn't help Microsoft in 2013 despite coming off Halo's/Gear's High points. And definitely didn't help Nintendo sell the Wii U.

Holy hell man you are in for a rude awakening when you see how well PS5 sells.

SpeedyBlueDude · Jul 31, 2020

Lepi said:
Satire? Hopefully satire.

Nah, I just really think it's funny how Microsoft is just repeating history on the right side this time.

Competition is good. Hopefully this happens so Sony can consider taking PS+ back to what it was before, just free games and discounts, and makes paid online free again.

Aadiboy · Jul 31, 2020

Seems like a big loss in income when Xbox is entirely focused on selling subscription services

Windu · Jul 31, 2020

TheGhost said:
Major Nelson was supposed to be on KindaFunny games daily today, wonder if Greg asked him about it.

Geoff Keighley asked Aaron Greenberg last week about the removal of the 12 month option on their store and what it meant for Xbox live going forward. Aaron avoided it, basically said he is just the games marketing guy. 2hrs 32 minutes in.

sugarmonkey · Jul 31, 2020

I'm finding it hilarious to see all the concern about Microsoft's revenue and shareholder portfolios. Never change Era.

Jedi2016 · Jul 31, 2020

Just because Xbox Live Gold is going away doesn't mean they're just going to start giving it away free. I predicted a while ago that they'll be rolling it into Game Pass. Their entire next generation is being built around Game Pass.

Rosebud · Jul 31, 2020

SpeedyBlueDude said:
Wow, I can't believe this is really happening.

Microsoft is really posed to bitch Sony out this year, like Sony did to them in 2013.

Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.
Paid online.

Microsoft literally Reverse'd everything onto Sony this time. All Sony has is the "ecosystem, no ones gonna wanna switch consoles they'll just stay on the same platform!" And "we have the best exclusives".

We saw how that worked for Microsoft last gen. 🤣

Let's see if Exclusives really do sell consoles. Definitely didn't help Microsoft in 2013 despite coming off Halo's/Gear's High points. And definitely didn't help Nintendo sell the Wii U.

You really think PS5 will flop? When PS3 sold 90 million? lmao

Tunichtgut · Jul 31, 2020

This would be huge, like really huge, well at least for me!

Pat002 · Jul 31, 2020

SpeedyBlueDude said:
Wow, I can't believe this is really happening.

Microsoft is really posed to bitch Sony out this year, like Sony did to them in 2013.

Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.
Paid online.

Microsoft literally Reverse'd everything onto Sony this time. All Sony has is the "ecosystem, no ones gonna wanna switch consoles they'll just stay on the same platform!" And "we have the best exclusives".

We saw how that worked for Microsoft last gen. 🤣

Let's see if Exclusives really do sell consoles. Definitely didn't help Microsoft in 2013 despite coming off Halo's/Gear's High points. And definitely didn't help Nintendo sell the Wii U.

There's more chance on Ps5 distancing itself even more over Xbox than the Ps4 era than Xbox closing in at the moment.

CNoodles · Jul 31, 2020

From the business perspective that super risky. If next gen turn out just like current gen then Microsoft are gonna be screwed.

Deleted member 9857 · Jul 31, 2020

SpeedyBlueDude said:
Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.

that's some real stretching since I assume your basis for Sony having the more expensive system is because of Lockhart but Lockhart is a weaker console than PS5

you can't claim that they've 'reversed' Sony when the PS4 was both cheaper & more powerful than the Xbox One, that isn't likely to be the case with Series X

Kopite · Jul 31, 2020

Hopefully Sony follow suit

Flaurehn · Jul 31, 2020

Grayson said:
Shareholders will flip out if true.

Well, they can always sell their shares on the 1.5 trillion company if they don't trust its ability to make money

Rowsdower · Jul 31, 2020

SpeedyBlueDude said:
Wow, I can't believe this is really happening.

Microsoft is really posed to bitch Sony out this year, like Sony did to them in 2013.

Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.
Paid online.

Microsoft literally Reverse'd everything onto Sony this time. All Sony has is the "ecosystem, no ones gonna wanna switch consoles they'll just stay on the same platform!" And "we have the best exclusives".

We saw how that worked for Microsoft last gen. 🤣

Let's see if Exclusives really do sell consoles. Definitely didn't help Microsoft in 2013 despite coming off Halo's/Gear's High points. And definitely didn't help Nintendo sell the Wii U.

what is this post.

Ra · Jul 31, 2020

sugarmonkey said:
I'm finding it hilarious to see all the concern about Microsoft's revenue and shareholder portfolios. Never change Era.

I have no concern, just interest. A business doesn't walk away from billions without some prospect on making more billions than it is giving up. I just don't see the value added billions in such a plan.

It's possible to divorce consumer interest from raw business discussion.

Painting all such discussion as concern trolling is lame. Like you say Microsoft doesn't need concern, they don't need people playing unpaid defense either.

Grayson · Jul 31, 2020

Windu said:
This won't even budge their stock price.

It's going to budge the earnings.

ShivereZ · Jul 31, 2020

Well... playstation plus is about 2 billion a year in revenue. I'm not sure how Sony will be able to survive on less.Maybe more expensivr games. Private servers?

I have ps plus stacked until 2025... would I get a refund?

ArkhamFantasy · Jul 31, 2020

sugarmonkey said:
I'm finding it hilarious to see all the concern about Microsoft's revenue and shareholder portfolios. Never change Era.

There's not a single post in this thread thats concerned about MSs revenue, it's perfectly reasonable to question a rumor that states a company is literally throwing away billions in revenue every year.

sam777 · Jul 31, 2020

Grayson said:
It's going to budge the earnings.

If they keep releasing games on Steam that will make up for it and more

LeMillion · Jul 31, 2020

Jedi2016 said:
Just because Xbox Live Gold is going away doesn't mean they're just going to start giving it away free. I predicted a while ago that they'll be rolling it into Game Pass. Their entire next generation is being built around Game Pass.

Microsoft requiring Game Pass for online multiplayer is 1000 times crazier as an idea than Gold just going away.

Grayson · Jul 31, 2020

SpeedyBlueDude said:
Wow, I can't believe this is really happening.

Microsoft is really posed to bitch Sony out this year, like Sony did to them in 2013.

Sony has -

The weaker console.
The more expensive system.
Paid online.

Microsoft literally Reverse'd everything onto Sony this time. All Sony has is the "ecosystem, no ones gonna wanna switch consoles they'll just stay on the same platform!" And "we have the best exclusives".

We saw how that worked for Microsoft last gen. 🤣

Let's see if Exclusives really do sell consoles. Definitely didn't help Microsoft in 2013 despite coming off Halo's/Gear's High points. And definitely didn't help Nintendo sell the Wii U.

You're in for quite a shock again. Good to see you back though. 🤣

TechnicPuppet · Jul 31, 2020

CNoodles said:
From the business perspective that super risky. If next gen turn out just like current gen then Microsoft are gonna be screwed.

Really, MS are going to be screwed?

Wereroku · Jul 31, 2020

Wait why did the title change again? Did he confirm some of it was only speculation?

NLCPRESIDENT · Jul 31, 2020

ShivereZ said:
Well... playstation plus is about 2 billion a year in revenue. I'm not sure how Sony will be able to survive on less.Maybe more expensivr games. Private servers?

I have ps plus stacked until 2025... would I get a refund?

Sony is not changing a thing. They'll add to plus before they remove it. I frankly don't think they're worried about Xbox whatsoever.

Yerffej · Jul 31, 2020

CNoodles said:
From the business perspective that super risky. If next gen turn out just like current gen then Microsoft are gonna be screwed.

Grayson · Jul 31, 2020

sugarmonkey said:
I'm finding it hilarious to see all the concern about Microsoft's revenue and shareholder portfolios. Never change Era.

i find it hilarious when people try this sort of deflection when the forum and the forum before talked sales for more than a decade.

Jamie · Jul 31, 2020

Rat King said:
I'll believe it when I see it. Would be great though.

Same. Come with me though, I think I saw information somewhere over here...

BioDigital Jazzman · Jul 31, 2020

NLCPRESIDENT said:
Sony is not changing a thing. They'll add to plus before they remove it. I frankly don't think they're worried about Xbox whatsoever.

Lol of course they are worried about Xbox. That doesn't mean they are going to drop the paywall but don't be silly. They see what MS is doing with gamepass steam etc

KillaKap · Jul 31, 2020

hechicero said:
This is MS hail mary pass .

oof if it doesnt work it might be the end, ps5 is the talk of the town right now.

Lol at the end of Xbox

Super Barrier · Jul 31, 2020

Grayson said:
It's going to budge the earnings.

No pay wall + low entry point + support of multiple platforms. Earnings will be very good for Xbox.

Tupper · Jul 31, 2020

Wereroku said:
Wait why did the title change again? Did he confirm some of it was only speculation?

I was wondering this too. I don't think I saw any new tweets clarifying this.

Cranster · Jul 31, 2020

I don't think they are going to completely remove the paywall. It would be alot of lost revenue if Gamepass Revenue doesn't end up making up for it.

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