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Jason Schreier: Stadia looks to be a "monumental flop", pre-orders are below expectations
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I'm sure people are crawling out of the wood work to get their hands on one after yesterday's reviews.
first off switch doesnt require u to carry controller around it is built that way . second nintendo has spent years creating handheld customer base for themselves. all of their handhelds sell amazing. no one else but nintendo can say that when it comes to handheld
This is very reminiscent to me right now of that Silicon Valley episode where Hooli launch their streaming platform.
Spoilers, I suppose.
Seems to me like Stadia was the equivalent of a scrappy start up inside a massive company, faced with all the same challenges of 'disrupting' tech with 'fledgling' solutions as smaller companies with less capital behind them.
Not that I'm all schadenfruede about it. I never liked the pitch of this thing but this has been a brutal two days for people who worked on this platform
Spoilers, I suppose.
Seems to me like Stadia was the equivalent of a scrappy start up inside a massive company, faced with all the same challenges of 'disrupting' tech with 'fledgling' solutions as smaller companies with less capital behind them.
Not that I'm all schadenfruede about it. I never liked the pitch of this thing but this has been a brutal two days for people who worked on this platform
Games running at half the performance and resolution promised, $60 for a 2 year old Tomb Raider game, extra 50ms latency accross the board, obviously compressed image quality, none of it's big features available at launch, I think it's pretty safe to call it like I see it
Would be interesting to know how Apple Arcade is doing.
I don't know who asked for Stadia in the first place or why I would agree to it's strange pricing structure. What is google doing?
I wasn't interested by the initial pitch, but I was willing to see how it performed, what people liked about it, and if it eventually appealed to me down the line.
I wasn't interested by the initial pitch, but I was willing to see how it performed, what people liked about it, and if it eventually appealed to me down the line.
Wow what a blunder, this new streaming service really need free trial to let people see if their internet speed is good enough or not.
The UI/UX needed to be solid on day 1. Everyone knew the actual act of streaming games would be relatively fine considering how well project stream was received last year, the UX was the unknown and it is not nearly as strong as it needs to be in order to compete with next year's crop of new platforms
In terms of consumer base and actual accessibility. 100mbs is more than enough for streaming too, 30+ is enough (still probably higher than the average though), It'll probably never be on par with dedicated hardware either (well at least not for decades probably), it wouldn't need to be though, just good enough, it's be down to convenience it takes off more than anything.
In 5 years I can see game streaming being at the same point, digital was on consoles at the start of this gen.
It can't even compete with the xbox 360. At least that has achievement support and lets you buy games on the actual system instead of your phone.
Stadia being a bad name doesn't help matters. It sounds so corporate to me for some reason. Or like a special yogurt that stabilizes your gut bacteria or something.
That's why streaming can't work on a full scale yet. Google can't switch to a Netflix like model and get new releases especially AAA because pubs need $60 for them at launch. Chicken and the egg situation
Hate to rain on some people's parade, but I'm so fucking happy and relieved to see this. As far as I'm concerned, game streaming can rot in hell. I want my stable low-latency local hardware thank you very much.
No, I think it's strange how quickly people want to declare Stadia as dead.
The amount of people willing to pay $130 for hardware to play Stadia isn't representative of the plans for Stadia going forward. This is an 'Early Access' phase of the project.
If they cancel plans for the free tier, or state it will forever be limited to Pixel phones, then I could understand extrapolating its failure. But Stadia is in flux still.
Pretty much this. Also, given that an "early access" is essentially what it is, can you even call it a "flop"? A flop in marketing an early access by calling it a "launch", maybe, but it's still way to early to have any meaningful insight into whether the platform itself is done for.
I have to say, the emotional attachment some have about something like this is pretty amusing. "The relief!" Oh my heart. ;)
But but the founders edition sold out everywhere!
Or at least the 10 controllers they manufactured.
Or at least the 10 controllers they manufactured.
Said it before I'll say it again..I don't know who Stadia is even for? If you have the internet required to support this service you probably have enough money to just buy a damn console anyway. And with the recent RDR2 analysis from DF you can't even say it's to get high end PC performance levels as it's not even on par with XB1X.
The thing seems utterly pointless.
The thing seems utterly pointless.
They dont even know who their audience is. Nobody wants to pay $60 to stream a 2 yr old tomb raider game, and it's running games nowhere even close to maxed out 4k60. This thing is fucked unless they rethink some things.
Waiting for our units to ship :( they seem to be sold out EVERYWHERE!
It's dangerous how efficient this man is. He has 100% assassination record.
I do wonder, who does he really work for?
You're happy and yet cloud gaming is here to stay and will continue to get bigger. lol
It needs to either be a free service where you only pay for the games, or a subscription service where games are included. Both is just too confusing and too expensive.
How many millions of people play Fortnite or PUBG on mobile ? If the tech actually worked do you think they would care if it was local or streamed ?
I think Google's product is so weak right now that another company could come in and eat their lunch within Google's launch year if it's going to be like this for them. If Valve came and dropped their $10 a month to play your steam games anywhere, it'd suck the sole out of Stadia completely.
Edit: (I mean you can already stream your Steam library anywhere if you know what you're doing) By streaming your Steam library I mean by spinning up a cloud server that serves your games to you.
Edit: (I mean you can already stream your Steam library anywhere if you know what you're doing) By streaming your Steam library I mean by spinning up a cloud server that serves your games to you.
There's literally zero reason to get Stadia.
If you want gaming on a mobile device you get a Switch.
If you want high fidelity gaming on a big screen you get an Xbox or PS4.
If you want to stream games you go xCloud because it's way more feature rich than Stadia.
Like honestly, who the fuck is this for? No one is going to buy this thing unless they're randomly all in with Google.
If thats supposed to be the target audience then we can wait at least 5 years before this becomes mainstream. Have you seen the bandwidth requirements? Its pretty obvious they werent targeting mobile gamers first.
I'm very interested in cloud tech and hope improvements are made to latency and such, but the value proposition for Stadia was absolutely terrible so I think this was expected. The launch was rushed and ways to play seem so limited. It should be easy to get into cloud gaming, but Stadia seems to make it so difficult.
We have actual data from nintendo saying that most people use the switch in both ways, as intended
The mobile gamer who isn't satisfied with Switch graphics or performance is a good candidate.
The concept has an audience. As console prices decrease the player base increases. Stadia is positioned as a 'console' that you can access for $0.
Google haven't realized the concept yet. It's a service behind a $130 paywall, and that isn't their pitch. They appear to still be working towards that pitch. I don't think declaring Stadia's failure while they are still actively progressing towards their goal makes sense.
they are there but they r interested in only casual friendly games . not catalogs of hardcore games. isn't it cheaper and better to develop these few casual friendly games locally for mobile than go through all this latency issues world wide?
maybe in 8 years when infrastructure is better i agree there are some potentials there(again not 2.5 billion as candy crsuh players are not playing asssasin creed oddessy even if you pay them) .
didn't venture beat do a test via tethering his phone and found that 1080p stream uses about 6gb an hour? Those mobile data caps on "unlimited" is gonna be used it pretty quick if youre in the US
Nobody is arguing portable gaming has no place in society: I assure you that if the switch had random tiny hiccups, and required an insane amount of bandwidth, not to mention a terrible form factor, it would have died a very quick death.
Again, in that case you go xCloud. An infinitely larger library, ability to play games via streaming or locally, Achievements, screenshot/video sharing, an exponentially larger pool of other gamers to play with, a subscription model that actually makes sense, etc... etc.. None of which Stadia currently has.
You're right that they can turn this around, but bad PR is bad PR, it's just such a bizarre launch. They might as well try to rebrand it when it goes free at this point.
Google made 2 massive mistakes in my opinion:
- Not having a Xbox Game Pass/PlayStation Now style sub which gives you access to a big library of games for a monthly fee
- Lack of exclusive content. The day Stadia was greenlit is the same day Google should have started building/acquiring studios and signing multiple exclusive 3rd party deals with at least a few ready for launch with a few others being ready in the year after launch
"Question is, will they eventually stop trying to sell games and switch to an all-you-can-eat subscription model? Or just let it die?"
Ah. Let me help you with that question. They will let it die. Google will most definitely let it die. Sad times for the investors ahead.
Ah. Let me help you with that question. They will let it die. Google will most definitely let it die. Sad times for the investors ahead.