Exactly what I was thinking lol. Apparently you are only an immigrant if you come from a non develop country.
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[Jason Schreier] Inside Cyberpunk 2077's Disastrous Rollout (Update: Head of CDPR Responds)
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Pretty much par for the course. Nothing really new here we didnt already know tbh. Prbably the same with Halo whenever he writes that article.
Egocentric director coming off massive success is utterly bodied by own hubris. News at 11.
Article did at least confirm where the rot started. Even if it was all horribly predictable.
Article did at least confirm where the rot started. Even if it was all horribly predictable.
My prediction: they will start putting out updates and free content, and fans will trip over themselves to defend the company because they want to like the game. Fast-forward a year from now, barely anyone will remember this mess and Keighley will be giving them a Dorito-smudged Game Award.
Yeah, it's almost always management and leadership teams that are the root cause to these messed up situations. It doesn't help when the reporting is the same retelling of similar stories. Crunch is bad m'kay. Failing to meet deadlines is bad m'kay, etc. etc.
I really miss some more proactive stories/reporting that can move forward the industry rather than Crunch Horror Story Pt. 1023.
"Hyping this for a while" = posting a tweet three hours prior apparently.
It's not as great a deep dive as I was hoping from Schrier, but you give off such a "bitch eating crackers" mentality right now.
I'm not defending CDProjeckt but I consider that simply saying "Fuck CDProject" won't solve anything. Maybe saying "Fuck Adam Kiciński or fuck Marcin Iwiński" would made more sense because basically the former thing would be insulting people who actually crunched for getting shit done. Also a lot of people are asking themselves why would someone travel from US (or whatever side of the planet for that reason) to Poland to work in such terrible conditions but some of you simply don't realize that working in a huge project like this gives some credit to your CV which would help finding job. The AAA game industry machinery is so rotten that it's simply appalling.
Bloomberg. It's being edited for a business-oriented audience, not a gaming audience.
The crunch horror stories should stop when the crunch stops, not when you get sick of reading about them.
Pretty much this. I don't get why is some people blasting Jason for it. Not all people knows the details of all of this specially I you don't live in a videogame related forum.
Maybe check your priorities in life if you are getting hyped by a Bloomberg article?
Seriously, do people get "hyped" by every random thing nowadays?
Yeah, after I saw the tweet thread Jason posted, my initial impression was wrong. I wish I could take back what I said—all the good stuff didn't make it into the article.
I'm not saying that people should stop reporting on crunch, but the two topics are not mutually exclusive.
They do. Social media is very effective at this.
Did you miss the other thread before the article went up?
Xenophobia. You can not be an immigrant (legal) if you are from the USA or Europe/Japan.
The millions of economic immigrants in latam from the USA, People who can not live with their pensions as comfortably in the USA as they do insome Latam countries say otherwise.
Crunch is a terrible activity and something he is helping bring to light. That's commendable. But the bigger story (one he said here in ERA) he will look into it, is still mia.
It seems the slave force is a less important story than CDPR.
Bungie has been crunching ever since Halo 1
Halo 2 was a nightmare
Destiny was hell
Yea probably. 🤷♀️
Very much this. It's nice that Jason is writing these articles, they have ripple effects across the industry and are making people more conscious and self-aware of their work practices.
I remember when Witcher 2 released and the entire third chapter was like in alpha stage and completely barebones. It wasn't until the enhanced edition that chapter 3 actually was fleshed out and wrapped things up rather than the rush job.
Great posts across the thread, by the way.
He's like one of the few who does actual investigative journalism. If he isn't a good journalist then most other people that work in the industry are essentially random ass forum posters on Era lol.
Something that happened over a decade ago compared to what you constantly hear from them in recent years that amounts to basically "we are not going to crunch our employees to give you content"
I'm disappointed to read that Jason confirmed that the article is limited to 2000 words by Bloomberg. This is the one story in gaming of 2020 where you want extensive interviews and opinions, thoughts. And we got the condensed version. I'm not trying to complain. But he did say there were more thoughts and quotes from others cut.
It's amazing how some people feel the need to attack Jason whenever he writes a negative article about a game they like.
Factually incorrect.
Expats and immigrants are not necessarily the same thing; expats live outside their home country for an indeterminate period, whereas immigrants intend to permanently reside outside their home country. There's definitely a connotation to expat though, usually they're wealthy and educated.
This crunch culture has got to fucking stop. I don't care how long a game takes to make, if you make it this ambitious, it takes as long as it takes.
CDProjektRed just figured they could ride on the coattails of Witcher 3, which is a really fucked up way of thinking.
CDProjektRed just figured they could ride on the coattails of Witcher 3, which is a really fucked up way of thinking.
I mean, that ending wouldn't really make them functionally different from Hello Games and No Man's Sky - fake gameplay featuring non-existent features that ultimately never made the cut, unchecked ambition, unrealistic deadline, years of updates and free DLC to improve and complete the experience, and finally... people praising them and giving them awards.
Anyway, to the article itself, "laying tracks in front of a train as you drive it" is a description I've heard for game development in the past, and part of the reason simply shipping a game is considered such an achievement - it's extremely difficult.
This article reminded me a lot of Jason's Anthem one as I was reading it - but substitute "we made Witcher 3" for "Bioware magic". A late 2021-early 2022 release pretty much lines up with where the game seemed to have ended up. It clearly needed another year of work and polish.
Interesting. I have nothing against Bloomberg, but this kind of sucks. Love Schreier's articles and writing, hate that he's hamstrung.
Guess we have to wait for the book lol....
That truly sucks
What the fuck is this
The only thing about this whole scenario that irks me is that it kinda comes across as some shocking expose when these are the exact conditions that 99% of games (esp AAA) are created under. There's nothing to do be done except A.) make more deep-dive pieces about other studios and B.) gamers need to keep in mind that it's not like CDProjekt BAD Rockstar GOOD. The way the entire industry operates is the problem.
"Hey I've got an important article coming out tonight. Should post around (time)."
*500,000 people @ Jason*
"It's coming. Just hold on."
Cue people perceiving Jason as an egomaniac for having the audacity to announce when the article is dropping.
*500,000 people @ Jason*
"It's coming. Just hold on."
Cue people perceiving Jason as an egomaniac for having the audacity to announce when the article is dropping.
Hey when you're making a game about Corpos ruining everything, why miss an opportunity to let the real-life Corpos ruin everything?
I also agree completely, the last-gen versions shouldn't have happened. The vision outstripped the hardware, but greed in taking advantage of the install base trumped all.
Sure, but the article is about CDPR. They've exploited minorities for profit and made a concerted effort to deceive both fans and investors. Doing their best to ensure maximum sales day one by making a concerted effort to obscure the fact their game is broken, buggy and incomplete. Pointing to other companies and going "they're also bad!" is just weird. We also have threads about them, when articles and news breaks about them.
I just checked out the E3 2018 thread and it is amazing to see the contrast between how the game was received then and now. Maybe they should've waited until 2019 to show any extended gameplay.
all that for a fake demo.
I think you misremember this whole thing. 2020 was the 2D side-scroller version. 2022 is 3D time.
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I can't believe developers saw what happened with Halo 2, Bioshock Infinite, and Watch Dogs yet keep doing this shit. Wasting months on a fake advertisement is such a short sighted move that generally hurts the reputation of the teams and franchises long term.
This is the one new bit from the article that doesn't feel right. I still don't buy that the demo was "almost entirely" faked. There was obvious some features cut down but the quest structure with Maelstrom and Meredith, Dex, plays out exactly like what was shown in the demo. The visuals were actually upgraded. The combat is also the same.
Yeah, that sucks. Sounds like Bloomberg just isn't a fit for the kind of deep dive stuff. How long has Jason been with them?
I can't believe someone gave it an award citing that it may be the best video game ever made from a slice of a demo shown behind doors, when the game was two years away from releasing. Jesus.
all that for a fake demo.
yeahhh, really hope that was a learning moment for the person in question
to be fair, though, the amount of "this might end up being the best game ever!!" sentiment out there was quite something in general
Because they do not have the same meaning, writing immigrants instead in that sentence would change the meaning.
