I mean i agree the criminals vile enough to be worthy of such things will in all likelihood be targeted therefore their life will be worse than death could ever be. Which is a more fitting punishment.
I can't believe I have to say this, but maybe you just teleported in from the middle ages. Treating criminals like shit, and killing them doesn't help. It actually makes everything worse. That's not an opinion, it's fact. The best outcomes are in countries that doesn't have solitary confinement, doesn't have life sentences, doesn't have the DP. The best outcomes are in countries where criminals are treated as humans who need help(even if they don't want it).
I just don't get this mindset of wanting more suffering. Especially since WE KNOW that it is counter productive. To me, the best outcome is that the vile criminal is rehabilitated and becomes a positive influence in the world. If I could wish for something to happen then that would be it. That would give me hope for humanity. So much vile and vengeful shit in this thread. Hugely disappointed in humanity here today.
How does that work? Because anyone targetting the killer would be criminals too.
I remember a poll about the death penalty, 60% were always against it, 30% were "only for it in very specific cases", and only 10% were comfortable simply saying "yes" to capital punishment. I guess that's the best we can expect, but man, it's sobering.
Obviously they would but even criminals to a degree have morals. Their lives would either be filled with torment from those people or in isolation punishments far worse than death. So if someone was worth such punishment Death would actually be mercy to them.
Yeah, that is probably the point where I missed up. The death penalty is something that only far-right people bring up here, so I misjudged the spread of peoples opinions on it.
Best outcome for society. That's the entire point of justice.
I'm curious how you think that's best determined. From what I hear determining mental state of patients and whether or not they're fit to leave mental hospitals is incredibly tough and hard to do in a meaningful way (often denying otherwise mentally sound people from leaving), and it seems to me like prison would just be a more extreme, higher risk version of that problem.
I don't think anyone wouldn't feel the same and they said no they're lying I'm 100% (you could bring me down for war criminals as a compromise) against DP we should strive forward for rehabilitative but if someone killed someone I lovr or care about i would want to violently murder them
Chances are you live in a country with an active military force and government that has at some point been engaged in extrajudicial killing. Please spare me the moral superiority argument. Nobody is fine with government killing people but it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
Why doesn't it save money if it is executed after 2 years in prison versus potentially 50 years in prison?
People don't get banned here for supporting the death penalty. They do get banned here for expressing other shitty views. You generally don't see those other views expressed because people that have been here long enough know precisely what they can say without getting banned. The forum moderation dictates the views you *see* expressed here, not the actual views people have. It's an illusion. Or I'm super cynical. Or a mixture of both.
This question doesn't make sense because people on death row aren't killed "after 2 years in prison". This guy will likely be executed decades later.
The law should be designed to prevent feelings like yours from contributing to how it operates.
It probably is a mixture of both to be honest. I am aware that bans cause people to hold their tongues. I am not expressing myself well today but basically I am surprised it is an accepted view that not only is held by many but also allowed to be held openly(as in it doesn't risk a ban).
Damn Donald Trump, didn't know you read the Holy Book?! Didn't you just kill someone last weekend?
They need to go to prison for rehabilitation, if that takes a life time so be it. They should not go there to rot in misery. The way we treat our worst reflects who we are as people.
Ok never mind then. I thought this news is about the guy being executed after being arrested in 2017. I misread the OP
Accidentally killing an innocent is only marginally better than accidentally locking them up for most of their life. My reasons for objecting to DP goes much deeper than simply avoiding accidents. The fact that many here are against DP __because__ they want the criminal to really suffer for a long time is absolutely subhuman levels of despicable. A person who is for swift and painless executions has more moral ground to stand on than anyone who maliciously wants suffering to be inflicted.
I have no idea, but I'm sure we are getting better at it.
this is the most insightful sentence in this entire thread, and it's also why being against DP just to avoid accidents isn't good enough.
It's not about the punishment. It's about the fact that even one person who is innocent can be executed, and history dictates that this has happened many, many times, especially to marginalized people.
Not only shouldn't they as a matter of ethics, taking this approach is actually inconsistent with the stated purpose of criminal law (at least in America) — prosecutors indict to represent the interests of the people in the relevant jurisdiction writ large (hence criminal cases often having "People" or "State" as one party), not the family of victims. Any justification for the dp that rests on a consideration of the family's wishes is therefore misplaced imo
The words you use betray any sense of logical approach. "They don't need to exist" well neither do fucking I. I'm a 20-something living in my parents' upper middle class suburban house pursuing a master's degree so I can get some government job that probably could've been filled by 10 other people. That's not an argument for execution. There has to be some benefit gained that we would've otherwise not gotten, and it has to be a really good benefit too when the line your crossing is state-sanctioned killing.
I worked in the American prison system. I can tell you how the sausage is made here.
