This is me right here except I have a 55" KS9000. Also was inclined on C9 or B9 but the deals weren't all that in France. Might as well for the whole package next year (PS5 + whatever tv matches and is available at a decent price).
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Is the LG C9 the best tv for gaming atm?
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This is me right here except I have a 55" KS9000. Also was inclined on C9 or B9 but the deals weren't all that in France. Might as well for the whole package next year (PS5 + whatever tv matches and is available at a decent price).
Whats the consensus about the dynamic tone mapping on the TV on HDR, Rtings says to let it off but I feel like I'm missing some luminosity with it....
Awesome, thanks for this.
Looks like 2021 is going to be the big year and worth waiting for.
Another one for ON to me. Take into account that the tone mapping can mess with in-game HDR calibrations though, so turn it off for that.
So I was playing about with OLED motion (black frame insertion) last night and was quite impressed with how much it improves motion resolution. Brightness takes a big hit but panning in games looked crystal clear and I was a bit disappointed after switching it off and going back to it looking a little muddy when spinning the camera. Miss the nice motion resolution of Plasma and CRT.
I still dont understand how the BFI actually works as well on OLED, I would have thought with the low persistence already on the panels that it would make little difference but was surprised with the clarity.
I still dont understand how the BFI actually works as well on OLED, I would have thought with the low persistence already on the panels that it would make little difference but was surprised with the clarity.
Don't the 2019 LG OLEDs have next gen features?
They have Vrr and will do 4k 120fps, next gen ain't doing better then that apart from 8k media viewing and, unless u sitting 4ft away a 100inch screen 8knis not going to make much difference.
So anyone has seen the Q9FN and also the C9? I'm this close to getting a C9 but I just want to know how much peak brightness I'm going to sacrifice for that? The Q9FN goes real, real bright.
I replaced my Q9FN with a C9 and im really glad i did. Q9 is a nice TV but this is another level imo. I didnt noticed any brightness difference with tone mapping turned on in game mode. Go for the C9
Oh damn, that sounds promising. And with tone mapping on that goes for both SDR and HDR? And when you say it's on another level, you mean picture quality wise? I remember I went from a Sony 930e to the Q9FN and the picture quality in terms of how crisp everything looked the Q9FN easily won that aspect.
But I really have been noticing the flaws of this TV. The blooming that is always present with hud elements or just in general. I always see that white/greyish cloud around objects and subtitles always brighten up parts of the screen. Very distracting and annoying. I've had about 3 different panels now, with all these same issues. I miss OLED when it comes to how it totally lacks any blooming.
Its on another level because of what you just said. Deep dark blacks, amazing contrast, no blooming, NO black crush so far which is the most impressive thing and no brightness increase when using subtitles. That shit was so annyoying. I only used this TV for 2 days but its already better at everything. Movies, games, HDR. i watched Ad Astra last night which had a lot of dark scenes and man, it was a joy to watch
I was very close to buying one on Black Friday, but ultimately held off, because I want to see what the other manufacturers, especially Panasonic and Sony, as well as LG will do next year. I definitely want OLED, HDMI 2.1 support, and low input lag, so LG would be the only choice for me right now, but I don't really have a need for 4K just yet, so my 1080p Panasonic Plasma is still more than enough for couch gaming, movies, and TV shows. I'll also need to upgrade my AV receiver to something with HDMI 2.1 and Dolby Atmos support to really take advantage of the TV, which don't even exist yet. With all that I just thought it makes more sense to wait another year or so.
This - my previous set I'd done a basic calibration with a test pattern disc and the c9 with no changes other than ISF dark room looks great to me
It is a good start point - might look odd at first depending how you had your previous TV set up so try and give it a week before tweaking (although you can adjust brightness based on your viewing environment)
Oh man, after all that you've said I have no more doubts. The Q9FN is great for the tech it is, but yeah the issues are just too noticeable and annoy me more and more. I'll make it my mission to get that C9 as soon as possible.
Good decision. I also replayed the first 3 missions of CoD today. Lots of dark scenes and holy shit it looked way better
My dad bought the 75" Samsung over the LG C9 I recommended him 😑 I just set it up. When will he learn that the tv technician in our family that "advised" him has really shitty size-over-quality taste.
My 55" LG B7 I got in '17 looks much nicer than the Samsung *and* the new LG has dat 2.1. Sigh.
PS: I also logged him into Netflix with my account, first thing he asked is if there's porn on there. Had to tell him to use the browser for that 🤣
My 55" LG B7 I got in '17 looks much nicer than the Samsung *and* the new LG has dat 2.1. Sigh.
PS: I also logged him into Netflix with my account, first thing he asked is if there's porn on there. Had to tell him to use the browser for that 🤣
If it's like the C8 the form of the stand is done to redirect the sound from the speaker to the front of the panel where you are sitting.
I mentioned this previously, very decent sound, way better than I expected.
Even with the OLED response times there is still sample and hold blur which the BFI breaks so our eyes perceive it as clearer.
They could have stronger resilience to burn-in or higher brightness which is useful for HDR, input lag driven even further down. Most likely just iterative improvements that won't matter to C9 owners. I decided to wait until next year to see what is offered. Either it's negligible changes which means the C9 becomes even better deal as its cost goes down, B10 could be equivalent to C9 or it might be worth waiting for Black Friday 2020 deals of C10.
This could be a very lengthy discussion, but I'll try to keep it as short as possible.
There are two types of motion blur as far as displays are concerned.
- The first is based on the panel response time. Slow response times will result in frames smearing together in motion. OLEDs have very fast response times, so almost none of this motion blur.
- The second is perceptual. The amount of motion blur that we see with images on a display is directly related to how long that image is displayed on-screen. The longer it's displayed on-screen, the more motion blur we will perceive.
If you display content that is running at 60 FPS, an OLED or LCD will hold the image on-screen for the entire frame duration - 16.67ms.
When you enable BFI it inserts black frames in-between every source frame. Since the panel refreshes at 120Hz, this is split evenly and it halves frame persistence to 8.33ms.
By halving the frame persistence the amount of motion blur is also halved; but so is the brightness, and it causes the image to flicker.
You could also halve the frame persistence by interpolating to 120 FPS instead, which avoids the brightness loss and flicker, but that results in input lag and interpolation artifacts instead.
Seems like it will be worth it to wait for 2021 before buying a new TV. MicroLed seem like the best TV tech overall but that is a long way off.
I am so ready to pull the trigger on getting a LG C9 or E9, but there is one potential deal-breaker that stands in the way: low framerate compensation.
Does anyone have hard evidence that the C9 or E9 support LFC for framerates outside of their VRR range? Do we know for a fact that, today, LFC will kick in for sub-4K resolutions, and is there some sort of assurance from LG that LFC will be active when devices can output a 4K HDR 120 Hz signal?
This is purely a future-proofing concern for next-gen consoles that are expected to support the full HDMI 2.1 spec. I realize that it's impossible to verify this without any existing HDMI 2.1 sources, but I really don't want to buy another TV if the VRR implementation on the current LG models is meaningless for content that's expected to dip (or average) below 40 FPS.
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So it would be more accurate to calibrate with the tone mapping off? (Even if tone mapping is to be used?)
For games that use the usual "move slider until the image is visible/not visible" yes because the TV keeps tone mapping that image and sometimes you can't get it right no matter how much you move the slider (Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Destiny 2...). I don't hace a C9 but a C8 but I think HGIG is best for that because even with DTM OFF the TV does tone map on HDR. Only with HGIG it turns it completely OFF.
I'm not sure for games that just have a picture and basically tells you "just move sliders until the picture looks good for you" like MHW or AC because I don't even understand the point lol
People saying high OLED light can cause burn in faster but what if i use my TV for HDR content most of the time? Im watching serias, films and playing HDR games like 70% of the time and the recommended OLED light is 100 for that kind of content. Hope that doesn't mean i have a higher chance for burn in. This is my first OLED TV and im trying to use it very carefully because i love it.
But i do lol. Im literally counting the hours i watch the same TV channel etc. I know its not healthy but i cant help it. Hope it will get better with time but i love this TV
I got a C9 a couple weeks ago and it's my very favorite thing. Ran into a weird issue last night, though, where quite suddenly everything was coming up with a substantial audio delay (~1 sec), whether it was a WebOS app, or hardware wired directly to the TV (my PS4) or through my AVR (my Switch). Basically anything going through the audio return channel, which is... everything.
After trying a hojillion things I eventually factory reset both the receiver and the TV, and the issue subsided. But I have a feeling this is going to turn up again. Anybody have any experience with this issue?
After trying a hojillion things I eventually factory reset both the receiver and the TV, and the issue subsided. But I have a feeling this is going to turn up again. Anybody have any experience with this issue?
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OLED Light at 100 in HDR doesn't mean the whole screen is shown at that Light, it just puts the maximum value of the light when a bright highilght happens. Remember HDR has dynamic brightness across the screen.
Mine's getting delivered in a few hours. Does anyone know if its safe to leave the screen face down on a bed while I work on screwing on the base? I didn't have problems my previous tv but the C9 screen is so thin it scares me.
So, I bought myself a c9 65" about a month ago. Coming from a B6 that struggled with near black content (lots of vertical banding and borders way lighter than the center), I was overall satisfied with the new panel -- despite a few noticeable vertical lines, my c9 delivers a better grey uniformity.
I did notice some tinting issues, though. When I stare directly at a 100% white slide (or at a light grey one, like from 40%~100%), I can see some yellow tint at the center of the screen (and also a bit near the borders). When I'm watching regular content it's harder to notice it, but on white / light grey backgrounds (snow, for instance) I can see the yellowish white if I start looking for it. I think I've become more suscetible to this issue because I know exactly where to look from all the staring at white slides; my wife, for one, barely notices it.
Considering the tv is still under warranty, I could try replacing it with a new one (not sure LG would accept without putting up a fight, consumer laws and rights aren't always taken into account where I live). However, I'm not sure how likely it is for me to get a better set. From what I've gathered, tinting issues seem to be more proheminent on c9 65" displays. Also, I've seen people complaining about red / blue / pink tinting and there's none of that on my tv.
I took a picture of my tv displaying a 100% white image. how bad do you guys think that is?
I did notice some tinting issues, though. When I stare directly at a 100% white slide (or at a light grey one, like from 40%~100%), I can see some yellow tint at the center of the screen (and also a bit near the borders). When I'm watching regular content it's harder to notice it, but on white / light grey backgrounds (snow, for instance) I can see the yellowish white if I start looking for it. I think I've become more suscetible to this issue because I know exactly where to look from all the staring at white slides; my wife, for one, barely notices it.
Considering the tv is still under warranty, I could try replacing it with a new one (not sure LG would accept without putting up a fight, consumer laws and rights aren't always taken into account where I live). However, I'm not sure how likely it is for me to get a better set. From what I've gathered, tinting issues seem to be more proheminent on c9 65" displays. Also, I've seen people complaining about red / blue / pink tinting and there's none of that on my tv.
I took a picture of my tv displaying a 100% white image. how bad do you guys think that is?
I did it that way with my C8 (if only because I didn't know wtf I was doing lol) and no problems (no bend and anything, I checked, and it's not like the TV is made from plastic cheap anyways) just have the protective plastic beneath.
Although I think the box recommends do the screwing with the TV in the box, so check that first.
Tbh the instructions to mount the stand were some glibberish shit.
I would really advise you to have someone to help you though.
It doesn't look that bad to me, but the problem is that it's perfectly on the center, so I understand that when you know it's there it's hard to not notice when it's right in the middle..
If it bothers you then for sure exchange it, but have to be wary that it can either be better or much worse (magenta tint) and if that's the case you'll have to go through another exchange. You have to decide if it really bothers you in real content to go through the lottery game...
I was supposed to have a friend over to give me a hand but he may not make it, thanks for the confirmation I'll try to have someone help.
appreciate the feedback.
tbh I don't think it's that bad either, since the tint is only apparent when the screen is mostly white. however, after I saw it for the first time, it's like my eyes always go for the yellowish area. The fact the tint is on the middle of the screen can be an extra nuisance, but I fear I'll get an even worse set if I try sending it back -- tinting seems to be specially prevalent on 65" lg models, so I don't know how likely it is for me to win the pannel lotery and get a tv with perfect whites.
too bad the tv is no longer on the return window, I'd gladly take it if I noticed the tint earlier. I bet dealing directly with LG will be a pain in the ass, they most likely will say the tv is all right.
still unsure about what to do...
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A family member is getting a C9 delivered today. Which settings should I make sure they enable to help stop possible burn in? The only HDR I expect them to use is from the built in Netflix app.
I don't own a C9 so I'm completely clueless on the best settings.
I don't own a C9 so I'm completely clueless on the best settings.
All burn in settings are on by default so there's really not much you have to do. Just:
1) don't put SDR content at full 100 OLED Light. HDR is different because it doesn't put the same brigthness across the screen, so it shouldn't not be touched.
2) don't plug off the TV, let it always be in stand by so it does the automatic pixel refresher. This is actually not related to permanent burn in but still extremely important for temporary retentions and improving the greyscale banding over time.
Also, a PSA to all new owners, because even though it's stated in the manual no one seems to read it, and I see it's something some people do with their new OLEDs and it's just wrong. DO NOT USE THE MANUAL PIXEL REFRESHER UNLESS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY.
Some people really think running the Manual Pixel refresher (not the one the TV does in standby) regulary prevents their TV from getting burned. Not only it does not do shit about that, abusing this longterm may disminish the lifespan of your panel (basically the max brigthness). This option should only be enabled if you have a retention or visible issues that doesn't go away with the automatic refresher that the TV runs by itself.
Of course, there's absolutely no issues if you run it once, twice, thrice.. or 10 times, but there's people that run that shit weekly or even daily!
mapoopam I would keep it. You'll learn to ignore it over time and the tint issues can 100% be much worse on a 9-series 65". Don't underestimate how much of a pain in the ass the rabbit hole of exchanging huge OLEDs for panel lottery is lol.
I would actually count your blessings that it's a mild yellow tint and not some rainbow shit like I've seen on other panels, and leave it be.
I would actually count your blessings that it's a mild yellow tint and not some rainbow shit like I've seen on other panels, and leave it be.
For starters no SDR mode puts your OLED Light at 100 and I really doubt they will put it to that, it's gets pretty bright. I think ISF Light mode (aimed at bright rooms) is at 60, for example.