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In Defense of Looting
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Immigrants who came over with nothing and tried to build a life in America are not the problem, comparing them to cops is ridiculous as they are not gatekeepers of the hierarchical oppression that black folks feel. Explain to me how much political power a mom and pop store run by immigrants who barely scrapes a living by can exercise? Many of them didn't even have the power to vote as permanent residents.
Yes, the murder of a Latash Harlins did have something to do with, as did the murder of another young african american by a korean store owner, as did the murder of a korean store owner by two african american men
Source article detailing the damage done and other important historical details
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...koreatown-finds-strength-saigu-legacy-n749081
I am NOT arguing that there were not precipitating factors of socioeconomic control (see my post # 268 above). These 2 groups were in fact pitted against each other by the white establishment. That does not mean that any action of violence or looting done by either is OK.
Honestly it's a hard situation.... While i don't condone it, these things kinda have to happen to make anything change really, the US is so fucked up i can't really think of any other solutions right now! I just wish it would be directed towards the right people rather than small places that have nothing to do with it, not everyone has the money to just rebuild.... I want to support the riots and the cry of the people need to be heard, but when you see some places like that affected, it's hard to be 100% behind it, it's not black and white... I'm quite conflicted
Like is this really okay? I can't say it is... but at the same time i don't want the riots to stop just because of that either... Cops and institutions have been getting aways with fucking up minorities lives for too long...
Like is this really okay? I can't say it is... but at the same time i don't want the riots to stop just because of that either... Cops and institutions have been getting aways with fucking up minorities lives for too long...
I'm saying the white looters are probably not doing it because they wanna hear or support black folks. They see an opportunity to exercise their privilege even more by doing crap they know they won't get punished for. Look at the videos where black folk are pleading white protestors to stop. How are they being good allies? Just showing up doesn't count as being an ally.
And that's why my stance on looting is a hard NO. Who's to say the alt-right isn't among these rioters? Who's to say that nobody is purposefully targeting black business during this? Who's doing it for the political message and who's doing it for personal gain? There's way too much to weed out so we can safely say that looting is justified.
(Again: I'm just sharing my opinion about looting in a specific thread about the subject. The correct, smart, reasonable, and logical thing to do when looking at the bigger picture is to go straight to the core of the problem: systemic racism. Everything else pales in comparison)
This one right here. If you have a problem with looting but are doing nothing about the unjust systems that have led to this point then shut the fuck up. It's just property. As a black man I can be killed with impunity just because of the color of my skin. I have no sympathy for billion dollar corps that underpay their workers and contribute to the massive income inequality in this country.
I was gonna post something similar but this post, this post Is a must read for everyone.
You can't use it to drive a wedge between minority groups. We know why only korean owned shops burned down.
Please see my post above that hopefully my addresses my points on this, I apologize for the condescension, I was momentarily upset that your response seemed to think I was posting a low effort gotcha when I had explained part of my position in a longer post aboveCheck the condescension.
But you don't see a systemic involvement in immigrants being able to build businesses in predominantly black neighborhoods and make money off them? Which remains an issue today.
Good for them for making a living, nothing to hate on, but that's always been an issue between those communities for years. Immigrants move in, build, then the conversation becomes "well why are you people always complaining, we were able to come in and build our own thing, we just worked really hard."
And then shit like this happens a year before the riots
Killing of Latasha Harlins - Wikipedia
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Not saying anyone deserved it, but its not like some random unrelated bystander shit.
The unrest between the communities existed.
Do The Right Thing came out in 1989 and touched on this.
Sometimes the only way to fix things is to burn this shit down and rebuild.
It was only when the Suffragettes started militant and violent activity that their protest started having any impact. And in case you've forgotten, let me remind you of the infamous Boston Tea Party, an event celebrated in the United States as the first major protest of independence.
Looting isn't the right thing to do and hurts businesses both big and small. Riots are messy and looting can easily become a part of that, but just because the cause is just doesn't make all actions made in the name of said cause just.
Certainly adds a bit of irony if people were accidentally defending the looting and violence of foreign forces or even white supremacists.
This coming off the heels of the republican heavy protests of stay at home orders, can't say I didn't suspect someone would try to take advantage of the situation.
Yeah, white peeps appropriating the protest as a means to carry out large scale loot, pillage and arson and then put the blame on the protesters are the worst fucking people.This is my relative. Fuck this clown and fuck those who defended him! What did he do to deserve this?
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Please do not think I am using that as a way to drive a wedge between asian americans (which I am a part of) and African american groups. I have made longer posts in this previously explaining that I understand the many factors leading to the burning of Korean town
You can't use it to drive a wedge between minority groups. We know why only korean owned shops burned down.
And while these photos are wonderful and there have been a lot of efforts heal the rift between the 2 groups, you cannot have healing unless there was damage done in the first place
We immigrants do not have a choice in participation in this capitalist system.
You do have the choice to stand up against oppression and make it known. A business standing together with the protestors gives more power to the oppressed.
I read the OP, but it isn't really a defense, destroying ones own neighborhood isn't going to improve anything, local business will go out of business thus creating more unemployment, business's will less likely be inclined to open up in these areas.
I have read that most insurance in the USA doesn't cover rioting and looting damage.
I have read that most insurance in the USA doesn't cover rioting and looting damage.
You have to remember that this stuff is a mixture of tensions boiling over, bad actors riling people up, opportunism, people getting caught up in the emotions of the crowd, and so much more. I don't think a lot of looters are going to give you a thoughtful reason why they did it, or a reason related to changing the system. Trying to analyze it like this is disregarding basically everything we know about how gatherings can boil over into chaos, by trying to ascribe rational intent to it. I think the only real logic being applied is gonna come from the inciters who knew what they were doing, and anyone who is poor af and saw an opportunity to furnish their life a bit.
How in this case would that happen? They have no voting power, they can't go protest because they are the only ones running their business and again, are barely scraping by so it's not like they can just close up shop for the day. Not like there was social media back then so they couldn't even put out a message there either.
This is my relative. Fuck this clown and fuck those who defended him! What did he do to deserve this?
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So everybody just going to gloss over this post I guess... smh
So is that your perception of the protests that are going on now? You don´t think it´s on par with previous movements therefore they are just random criminal looters and raiders?
So after midnight in DTLA was crazy. I have a hard time believing the ones still out and about were even part of the original protest groups that blocked the 110. I was seeing people in lexus suvs, nice fucking muscle/sports cars joyriding, breaking into a local viet restaurant, Terroni coffee, a jewelry shop, 5th st market in skid row. Even the fucking Starbucks in dtla that was welcoming to homeless. Breaking into Little Tokyo mom pop shops, these fuckers didn't give a fuck what they were breaking into and were obviously taking any opportunity they could.
Reading this, i think it's not that great. There is a large ass difference by who gets looted. It makes the assumption that those that are only hurt are the big corporations. Ie that target. It becomes more complicated when those businesses that are hit are minority own, where some cannot return after such an event. These small business owners do understand.....but that doesn't stop them from being devastated. Hell, some are upset that the police didn't protect their stores but instead protected ones like target.
For example, those tweets on businesses supporting the protest....they get the anger and frustration. But they still fear/worry about getting hit. Why else would they board up their places and even some writed black owned businesses? The issue comes when those that are hurt, are their own community. Honestly, this is reminding me of what happened during the 1977 nyc blackout. The anger was/is justified, but some of it got directed onto their own.
For example, those tweets on businesses supporting the protest....they get the anger and frustration. But they still fear/worry about getting hit. Why else would they board up their places and even some writed black owned businesses? The issue comes when those that are hurt, are their own community. Honestly, this is reminding me of what happened during the 1977 nyc blackout. The anger was/is justified, but some of it got directed onto their own.
I agree. And what you posted is the most likely reason why (besides in what we are seeing in the other thread about potential bad actors/white supremacists inciting the looting and violence) this occurs.
Not because the ""idea of private property is just that: an idea, a tenuous and contingent structure of consent, backed up by the lethal force of the state.""" as proposed in the OP.
It's cuz people in America tend to view race issues as black vs white and forget that every shade in between also gets affected. Whether good or bad
This is my relative. Fuck this clown and fuck those who defended him! What did he do to deserve this?
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"In Defense of Looting" smh
too many on this site have lost the plot.
He should set up a gofundme. A lot of these businesses are. It's a shame what's happening, but else can be expected when the peaceful calls for justice went unanswered
Well shit if it's true that all this is caused by white nationalist I feel the need to apologise.
rioting is a legit form of protest as defended by MLK Jr and other civil rights activists but that's separate from agent provocateurs starting fires so the rest of the ruling class populace can go "look what they're doing to their own neighborhoods" and shift the narrative to pearl clutching about looting
everyone fretting over stealing when the actual issue is systemic racism is part of the problem and providing cover for the white supremacists that are coming in a starting fires to distract y'all
This is my relative. Fuck this clown and fuck those who defended him! What did he do to deserve this?
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I can't defend this type of thing sorry. It's hard to think of this as something virtuous.
This is a 2014 Ferguson era article but I think the critiques and defenses are mostly unchanged.
In Defense of Looting
For most of America’s history, one of the most righteous anti-white supremacist tactics available was looting.thenewinquiry.com
And posted this in another thread yesterday but:
Thanks for this....great article/interview.
Is this a serious post? Large businesses like LV and Target are gonna be fine. This guy's livelihood is fucked, GoFundMe or not.
This is why I'm against looting.This is my relative. Fuck this clown and fuck those who defended him! What did he do to deserve this?
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And the blame for that lies with those killing citizens on the streets and getting away with it. None of this would be happening otherwise.
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I doubt any revolution has started by burning your own neighborhood down and looting booze, cigarettes, electrical devices and other valuables. That's a way to drive a society into anarchy. No sovereign state will tolerate it and eventually there's army on the streets shooting live ammo.
That's more of an academic reading of the situation from how I understood it. To me it's laying out that the concept of property is a tenuous one, only held together by societal agreement and the State's ability to uphold that agreement. Therefore, on an abstract level (the author admits to this line of thought being abstract in the next quote), the looting is a shock to the system, a reminder that it can all be rendered moot if justice is not upheld. I don't think it's ascribing that as an actual intent on the part of the people looting though?
Because, like I laid out in my last post, a protest is a powderkeg that can explode under the right circumstances. Regardless of intent. Regardless of efficacy. Regardless of the wishes of any leadeas or organizers. This is just a reality of these kinds of gatherings. The longer justice is not upheld, the longer the protests continue, the higher the risk of things boiling over for any given reason.
Man, I'm going to say this again: I'm tired of seeing people online who don't even live in MN justifying what are largely the actions of young White dudes on city neighborhoods they don't live in. The organic vandalism and looting that grew out of, and is carried out by, Minneapolis's Black community is completely understandable, but there are videos and pictures that clearly show most of the pointless destruction is being perpetrated by young White people.
I have multiple friends and coworkers who live on the east and west sides of Lake Street (blocks away from the third and fifth police precinct buildings that have been on the Unicorn Riot live streams), who have witnessed that it's White hipster-looking dudes that are going around setting fires. Lots of people in this thread are acting like they're watching the ultimate "Let's Play" and are over-intellectualizing the actions of bad actors who are going in and causing destruction that will be shouldered by PoC.
I have multiple friends and coworkers who live on the east and west sides of Lake Street (blocks away from the third and fifth police precinct buildings that have been on the Unicorn Riot live streams), who have witnessed that it's White hipster-looking dudes that are going around setting fires. Lots of people in this thread are acting like they're watching the ultimate "Let's Play" and are over-intellectualizing the actions of bad actors who are going in and causing destruction that will be shouldered by PoC.
You're saying this like the perpetrators had no choice but to trash the dude's shop, alrighty then!
To summarize your talking points so far in this thread: It's pillagers and raiders looting smokes and booze, and that theft deserves capital punishment. With each new post you seem to be escalating the terminology and descriptors you use in order to maximize a negative connotation. You should just come out and call them thugs like you really want to.
it's really telling how you give zero fuck about the dude who's business is completely fucked and is getting mocked about it by some jackass.
by the way, the killer was arrested.
A lot of the small businesses out here ain't coming back. It's a fucking pipe dream to think that if all of them set up gofundme's they're all gonna ge enough to ride out the looting, much less the pressure covid had already put on them.
Yes, I think most people are there to loot, cause mayhem and fuck it all. I believe Floyd's sister wants everybody to stay calm and have a peaceful protest. The cop has already been arrested and the investigation has been started. Isn't that what the protestors want? To have justice for Floyd. It's happening. Why the fuck still burn everything down? By now they're just criminals causing havok and looting valuables.
This is not protesting.
1 out of 4. And the statement for the arrest immediately tried to make argument for acquital by implying George FLoyd was on drugs and had an underlying health condition that caused his death
Any of these looters would be instantly arrested, tried and convicted if the police were after them. Justice would be very swift for this criminal activity. I guarantee you this Kelvaris Anthony person will go to jail for shooting this video. The same cant be said for THE PERSON THAT GOT MURDERED
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I just realized you're a Finn. I apologize for my countryman's ignorance.
Yes, I call them criminals. There's peaceful protestors as well, but I doubt they loot and pillage. It's other forces in play that cause the idiotic havok.
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