No it's not. The Reddit post don't reference outsourcing at all. It talks about splitting of MP and SP not being reported accurately.
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IGN: Halo Infinite Development Reportedly Hindered By Outsourcing [343i Community Director hints at misinformation in article]
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EDIT: Whoops. Beaten by at least 5 others.
my spidey sense is tingling suggesting that this information is wrong
notably, the E3 2018 trailer. 343 doesn't need to outsource for a trailer, they have a juggernaut art team. They have like 500 employees and at the time of that release, they were 3 years deep into engineering a new engine. This leads me to believe the information is quite wrong.
notably, the E3 2018 trailer. 343 doesn't need to outsource for a trailer, they have a juggernaut art team. They have like 500 employees and at the time of that release, they were 3 years deep into engineering a new engine. This leads me to believe the information is quite wrong.
I for one, am outraged at you personally, yes you reading this comment, your opinion on this news is dogshit and I hate you..../s
i think that fits with the theme of this thread
i think that fits with the theme of this thread
So remember when Microsoft outsourced a trailer for Phantom Dust that didn't reflect the actual game at all and everyone said "Phil's in charge now he won't do that" well they just did it again with HALO ffs. That engine trailer was the exact same thing.
Can we actually hold Phil responsible for the incredibly deceptive marketing that happens under his leadership this time so we can convince them not to do this crap anymore please?
Can we actually hold Phil responsible for the incredibly deceptive marketing that happens under his leadership this time so we can convince them not to do this crap anymore please?
Yes, this game, it's a similar case, outsourced trailer that wasn't a good representation of the game etc etc. But this was a long time ago.
Welp, I hope this is clarified, the CM tweets aren't quite helpful.
The report isn't saying outsourcing = bad. As was pointed out in this thread, The Last of Us 2 had plenty of outsourcing and you're talking about a 94 metacritic game. Not to mention that it's a standard practice in AAA.
The report is saying in this particular case, "the coordination between the many different companies contributing to Infinite has been rough, at best."
So outsourcing isn't bad inherently, but it is when you have poor management and communication.
And it can not be arguing 343i doesn't have at least one if not both, otherwise there's no way on earth they should have had to delay this very important launch title that they had 5 years to make and a never before heard of budget to do it with accord to reports.
EDIT: Yes, certainly COVID is a thing, but there are other launch titles and end of the year games that are looking to make their dates.
I'm going to refrain from getting into any of this for now but one thing I'll add is that I don't believe there was any truth to the rumor that campaign would ship without multiplayer this fall. My understanding is that 343 discussed various plans over the years to ship the multiplayer BEFORE the campaign, not vice versa.
They also by that report struggled hugely with trying to get to a stable state working from home when Covid hit, this would also be made worse with the outsourcing as they would be in charge of getting those devs sorted to work from home.
is this the same community directly who mocked someone for reporting that Halo Infinite might ship in parts? Then Phil Spencer later confirmed that it had been considered
If this part is accurate it's going to be pretty damaging to their reputation
something in similar tone to this
If I remembered the exact tweet I'd look it up myself
thought so, thanks!
He called out Brad Sams, indirectly and not in any sort of tone, for saying that multiplayer would ship after campaign, which was never the plan per Phil Spencer and like Jason mentioned above. Brad is good with hardware and sourcing things there but when it comes to things like games, he tends to speculate too much on the little info he might have received.
Usually community directors don't know half of what actually happens. If it was someone from the engineering or the design/art team, that would hold water.
That's not mocking...that's telling someone they're wrong on social media.
This denial? Doesn't seem mocking, unless you're referring to something else.
As far as he knew at the time, the game was going to release this year and its complete state. Why would you assume a community guy is privvy to all of Phil's decision making?
Well on the first page of this thread, there is a reddit post from him that addresses the previous tweet:
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jschreier said:
Same thing as Sketch said:
Everytime I hear something concerning Halo Infinite, it serves me Uncharted 4/Andromeda development vibes all around. Hopefully Infinite turns out more like the former.
He did not mock anyone, he denied Brad Sams claims on Twitter.
Brad Sams used the "validation" of his initial mis-reporting as the basis for his entire Thurrott article by defensively placing it in the first paragraph. He even made a video with a bombastic title claiming that he was right all along, which ske7ch just debunked on Reddit.
As others posted, ske7ch further denied Sams claims from the article with that Star Wars meme. While I don't doubt outsourcing, the show, and COVID-19 have thrown some wrenches into the mix, combining them with this claim of planned split releases is just misleading.
that's because community managers are sometimes not in the same building as the developer... they're just there to relay information from the perspective of the publisher.
afaik ske7ch is. and one of the thing I hate about 343 is they have pro players part of their process which means ske7ch likely was there from the start and know the intricate inner workings of the team as he is directly part of the team.
that's why not all community managers are the same. some of them are integrated into the team and some of them are on the outside acting like a conduit.
Sounds like bullshit. They pretty much used the same cgi trailer in 2020 and why would the TV show hinder the game. That makes zero sense.
Like i could easily believe that Halo Infinite have had problems during development, but it makes no sense at all that the TV show is the reason for it.
My bullshit detector is definitely tingling.
Like i could easily believe that Halo Infinite have had problems during development, but it makes no sense at all that the TV show is the reason for it.
My bullshit detector is definitely tingling.
According to Brad Sams, his multiplayer statement was backed up when they had to delay the entire game.
I know, but I appreciate the larger post on the matter. I updated mine and since I like RE6 there's that too lol
He's been following them and written dozens of how to books on them for 30 years.
As for the OP, this has already been reported by Sams last week or earlier in the week. Nothing new.
Uncharted 4 development went through some shit, but this is something else.
Don't these studios usually handle mostly smaller asset creation? Just there's a lot, which is why there's usually a decent amount of support studios used, bit surprised it could get so off track it derailed the entire development.
Outsourcing parts of your game, is common. MCC was almost completely outsourced, it was like a remaster project done by others studios.
Well, 343 uploaded more of the soundtrack yesterday and stated a few times that they weren't going to be silent.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but the only thing that is 100% guaranteed is that the development of this game was a mess.
Never believe tech engine demos, cg trailers with no actual gameplay, etc. Remembering that fake Phantom Dust trailer and the completely misleading Halo 5 trailer, I had no confidence in the Halo Infinite Slipspace trailer. The gameplay demo only proved that moreso, so these reports are not surprising in the least.
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They already confirmed they will not be going turtle mode, idk why everyone thinks this is going to be a Fall 2021 game now.
This seems illogical.
The 2019 trailer hardly promised anything. There was space marines, wildlife, and Master Chief on a Halo ring.
And the idea that the engineering teams were targeting anything short of the graphical fidelity we saw in that trailer is pretty absurd. Personally I didn't even find them that impressive. I'm not sure that the trailer even looked better than actual Gears 5 on PC max settings. It wasn't a high bar.
Naughty Dog has around 460 employees so no 343 has not the double of employees but pretty much the same size.
