What about a red, white & blue neck tattoo?
I only get suspicious of American flags when an emoji of it is next to someones Twitter handle.
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If You See Someone With a Confederate Flag on Their Car or on Their Clothing, Do You Automatically Consider Them Racist?
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I only get suspicious of American flags when an emoji of it is next to someones Twitter handle.
displaying the symbol of a group organized around hate or oppression on your clothing or vehicle should generally be seen as an endorsement of said hate or oppression
Someone not considering themselves racist doesn't preclude them from being racist
Yes, have you listened to the words of Sweet Home Alabama? They praise George Wallace for standing up against the end of segregation.
This is about the police brutality and attacks against the Civil Rights marchers. They are apparently admitting they participated in the attacks.
Once again praising George Wallace for his racist actions.
This is completely false. Racists are racist regardless of their willingness to admit it.
The Confederacy only existed because they wanted to own slaves. People who take pride in Confederate heritage are celebrating racism, slavery, and treason.
So yeah
So yeah
Honestly, I'd think they're ignorant first, but that's not a big leap to me thinking their racist.
Right off the bat? Ummm, nahh, not quite that quickly, but that's because I'm in the UK and the discourse around it hasn't fully filtered through to everyone.
I feel as though I still see it on really old Biker-Jackets (often very faded/disintegrated through years of wear) and some of those people are decent enough, or like to wear it to 'be ironic' or something. I'd let them open their mouths first, just to be sure.
If I was in the USA, different story.
I feel as though I still see it on really old Biker-Jackets (often very faded/disintegrated through years of wear) and some of those people are decent enough, or like to wear it to 'be ironic' or something. I'd let them open their mouths first, just to be sure.
If I was in the USA, different story.
Absolutely. And count me as a +1 for assuming people with Blue Lives Matter, MAGA stuff, NRA or other pro-gun stuff, etc. are also racist. People showing off American flag items don't make me instantly assume they're racist like the other items, but it definitely warrants suspicion.
2 years ago I was at a resort in Myrtle Beach and a woman was wearing a confederate flag Bikini. Shameful. Par for the course in Myrtle Beach though.
The amazing part is the surviving members had to soft-shoe around this and try to explain away this shit in later years. I've heard everything from, "it was ironic" to "it was just PR beef between Neil Young and the band, for street cred"
I wince everytime I hear the opening lick in public
Unless they were some strange history nut that likes to collect flags of old nations, yeah.
The Show 'Dukes of Hazzard' definitely feels strange now.
The Show 'Dukes of Hazzard' definitely feels strange now.
My thought exactly. In 2002 during spring break I got into an argument with a Florida guy who was saying it was heritage not hate. I thought it was a bullshit argument at 20 but I had a sliver of doubt cause I was from the north and alcohol was involved and he was so adamant he wasn't racist and it was the first time I had heard that.
Very soon afterwards (and subsequent years of living in the south) I came to the conclusion that it's just a symbol of hate. If I thought the nazi flag was evil why would I give credence to the confederate flag?
Yes, but definitely yes nowadays. I've legit seen my moderate right-wing environment back home shift from "Eh, it's not like it's actually hurting anybody" to "Wait, why were we cool with this again?" Confederate imagery has become....unsavory, to say the least, and at this point the only people outright defending it are the fuckhead racists actively promoting it.
That song isn't about praising George Wallace, they don't praise George Wallace at all in that song. Anyone thinking that they do has missed the point
Unfurling 'Sweet Home Alabama,' A Tapestry Of Southern Discomfort
More than 40 years after its release, Lynyrd Skynyrd's Sweet Home Alabama is still one of the most recognized rock anthems celebrating the deep South. It's also a song with a complicated legacy.
www.npr.org
Everything you can find in the US you will find in Europe to an extent.
we have bikers, we have wannabe rednecks too.
And yeah we have morons with "rebel" flags tatooed on them.
and in my case he ran a bar name "the General Lee".
In retrospec, I kinda should have seen that one coming.
also remember that in France, English is really not a language people understand so when we hear some music with some cool sound.
We couldn't give less of a shit about the lyrics and most don't understand them at all.
In the 60's/70's you had a lot of French singers who made banks translating US songs.
I thought this recently, but someone here explained to me in another thread that the song is a condemnation of that, not an affirmation or celebration of it, similar to "Born in the USA" by Springsteen. I'm not a Skynyrd fan, infact, I hate when Skynyrd comes on some classic rock playlist, but I took this Skynyrd fan's word for it. Also I think "THAT SMELL" is like the most annoying classic rock song.
Same. It's like wearing an id badge that says, "Hi, I'm racist"
Pretty much. I've been friends with one or two kids in high school who had it displayed somewhere and they probably weren't racist, but at this point, years later, people should know.
The short answer is "yeah most of them" Many know what it stands for and just use the states rights/southern pride as a front. Many of them are that flavor of racism of "Im not racist, I have black friends and coworkers I respect and admire, I just think that -insert racist shit here-"
The nuanced answer is, there are people who are honestly just misguided, ignorant, and a little too proud to admit maybe they are wrong.
It doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people or racist. They just grew up being fed lies about it. On my gf's graduation cap she had a confederate flag in the background. It was subtle, just the blue bars and stars, it was meant to symbolize her being from Texas. Thats what she associated it with. Nowadays? She embarassed she ever did that and actively calls out family members who still don't see an issue with it.
I also do think there is a difference between "being a racist" "not caring about racism" and "being ignorant of racism" Many people touch upon that in this thread "Not considering themselves racist doesn't preclude them from being racist" But the thing is I'd wager this can apply to most if not all people on this site. It's a product of the systemic racism in the world. Good people can be accidentally racist without knowing.
Anyone who PROUDLY displays the confederate flag most likely falls into the camp of "actual racist" or "don't care about racism". But there are some that are just ignorant and don't know what they are doing.
The nuanced answer is, there are people who are honestly just misguided, ignorant, and a little too proud to admit maybe they are wrong.
It doesn't necessarily mean they are bad people or racist. They just grew up being fed lies about it. On my gf's graduation cap she had a confederate flag in the background. It was subtle, just the blue bars and stars, it was meant to symbolize her being from Texas. Thats what she associated it with. Nowadays? She embarassed she ever did that and actively calls out family members who still don't see an issue with it.
I also do think there is a difference between "being a racist" "not caring about racism" and "being ignorant of racism" Many people touch upon that in this thread "Not considering themselves racist doesn't preclude them from being racist" But the thing is I'd wager this can apply to most if not all people on this site. It's a product of the systemic racism in the world. Good people can be accidentally racist without knowing.
Anyone who PROUDLY displays the confederate flag most likely falls into the camp of "actual racist" or "don't care about racism". But there are some that are just ignorant and don't know what they are doing.