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I never finished a Souls game. I criticized their difficulty. Then I faced King Allant.
- Thread starter aevanhoe
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Seriously for anyone worried about the deleveling, as someone who got hit by it once (maybe twice) when fighting him, just be careful. It's super telegraphed and easy to dodge if you're paying attention, and as someone said the end of world 4 is a super easy spot to farm souls within seconds.
I knew someone would run in here with "it's easy for me!!!" but didn't know it would be the very first post, lol
Congrats OP!
I'm torn between leaving him for last or Maiden Astræa. She's got that end-game vibe going for her as well.
I'm torn between leaving him for last or Maiden Astræa. She's got that end-game vibe going for her as well.
Fought him last night. Cunt de-leveled me 7 times, ended up with the clear at level 67. Next to O&S as the hardest boss in the series and Demon's Souls is easily the hardest Souls game overall.
I feel like everyone's first Souls game has this moment, for me it was Bloodborne and the Blood-Starved Beast. Everything after that can still be challenging and frustrating, but once you've broken through that barrier everything else seems a little less scary. Like Neo seeing the code of the matrix, haha.
Demon's Souls is my first Souls game, and I just beat my first real boss (Armored Spider) for the first time last night, after like 4 back to back attempts. With each attempt I learned something or was inspired to try something new.
On the first attempt, I walked in with full temple knight's armor, a Heater Shield, and my trusty Winged Spear.
I got FUCKED UP, and used up most of my consumables while I was at it.
Now at this point I was thinking, well, now I'm not gonna win no matter how hard I try... So I might as well experiment. Keep fighting this thing. See what works and what doesn't. It can't take souls I don't have, right? And then once I have a plan I can go grind 1-1, snag some grass, level up, and try again later.
So on the second attempt, I ditched most of my clothes to see if fast rolling would help, and tried a bunch of different weapons and weapon coatings to see what worked for me and what didn't.
By the fourth attempt, I had ditched my Winged Spear in favor of my upgraded Mail Breaker (similar damage, MB has much less reach and much less stamina cost tho), came in basically naked with no grass on me. I'd learned a lot and wanted to put it into practice. See how far I could get before I had to heal, so I'd know what to procure or bring with me when I'd come back later for the real fight...
..except I fuckin' beat that spider, right then and there. Rolled past every web trap and melee attack with perfect timing. Coated my dagger with slime and yeeted the FUCK out of that spider. Didn't even look at the health bar once cus I didn't think I'd actually do it, so when he reared up in defeat I thought he was launching a new attack lmao. When the spider started fading away and the victory text faded in... I popped off, and it was loud, and also 3 in the morning so I caught flak for it but whatever. It felt so damn good.
This game's gonna ruin boss battles in other games for me. I already know it, I feel it
YUP exactly how I felt last night when I killed the spider
Yeah I can see your point. Her part feels really effective compared to every other demon.
Should have just left Allant till the very end. Every boss in world 4 and 5 is weaker than Flamelurker. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that the Tower Knight is harder than all 6 of the bosses you have left. Also world 4 has a place where you can farm 100k souls in the space of two or three minutes so Allant's delevelling isn't really that punishing. He's always felt like the proper last boss of the game, so I'm kind of surprised no one told you to just leave him for a while.
I had this moment with Bloodborne. I was enjoying Sekiro a lot but got to a boss that seemed too overpowered and I gave up: I'd already proven to myself I could do it with Bloodborne but didn't see the point of investing so much into a single boss. Maybe I'll try again on Series X.
Exactly this, and you get impatient wanting to get back to the boss and end up dying several times on the way back. It's harder to just run by enemies because some levels are very narrow so you either get body blocked or you fall off a ledge.
The stat you lose 1 to is the stat you've raised furthest from your character's base stat levels.
This was lovely to read; thank you for sharing, OP. <3
Yep, that sounds Finale Fireworker alright. :)
Yep, that sounds Finale Fireworker alright. :)
You are not wrong. In Dark Souls this was O&S for me (before I learnt broken columns still stop their attacks); in (vanilla) Bloodborne I think it was Rom.
I would say Allant is probably the most difficult boss in Demon's Souls tbh, besides the final boss in world 5(without cheesing). World 4 is pretty cake and is the best place to grind souls though. Make sure you do that before NG+ which is much more challenging.
Nice job OP. I'm not great at these games either but I am persistent asf lol. Victory will always eventually be mine.
Congratulations OP you're basically done with the game. Also if it helps to know that I think just about everyone has that moment in one of these games where the thought of quitting passed their mind due to the fact no game should be this aggravating. Secret to this is just taking a break for however long you need but always come back, that feeling of getting passed that boss is the best feeling.
Hell yes, good job OP. I'm glad you pushed on and got victory, that's one of the things I love about these games is that accomplishment when you finally get over the wall.
I beat DeS on PS3 and now on PS5, all the Dark Souls, Bloodborne and Sekiro.
Allant can delevel you!? Wow I had no idea. I usually play these games with no spoilers/hints or co-op the first time through.
Congratulations on the personal victory OP! Did you explain it to your wife? It is what made us all fall in love of the gameplay, at least why I did.
Allant can delevel you!? Wow I had no idea. I usually play these games with no spoilers/hints or co-op the first time through.
Congratulations on the personal victory OP! Did you explain it to your wife? It is what made us all fall in love of the gameplay, at least why I did.
Congrats to the OP. I cheesed him with Poison Cloud in the PS3 version, but fought him normally in the remake and really enjoyed the fight.
As for deleveilng, I think I got hit with that attack 1-2 times, but at that point I was way over what I needed.
For people panicking over this mechanic, it's the last boss you should be fighting (difficulty progress wise, if you want to go from the easiest to the hardest). At that point you have a grinding spot unlocked, where it would probably take you about as much time to get those souls back as getting to the boss from the start of the level. It really, really isn't a big deal.
As for deleveilng, I think I got hit with that attack 1-2 times, but at that point I was way over what I needed.
For people panicking over this mechanic, it's the last boss you should be fighting (difficulty progress wise, if you want to go from the easiest to the hardest). At that point you have a grinding spot unlocked, where it would probably take you about as much time to get those souls back as getting to the boss from the start of the level. It really, really isn't a big deal.
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Yeah :) And she respects the things I care about, but not sure she competely understood the emotions involved here. :)
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Congrats! Now I feel bad for just killing it with arrows from a safe distance. :) I found a place where I could literally hide from its attacks, then go out, shoot a few arrows - and repeat. Turned out this was a known cheesing method. This was the only boss I defeated this way. Well, that and the Blue Dragon, if you count that as a boss.
lol, I'd have probably done something like that too (I'm a big fan of cheesing shit when I can figure out how), but I decided before I even bought DS, that I wanted my first playthrough to be some kind of gimmick playthrough. Not something stupidly difficult or anything like that... just a playthrough with some self-imposed limitations that might force me to get creative and explore more of the options available to me.
I asked here about playing a fist-focused playthrough, and was told that that's probably not a good idea especially for a first-timer.
So instead, I decided I'd avoid using any and all ranged weapons/items for as long as I can hold out, lol.
Before I logged off last night I did a victory lap around 1-1 to collect some grass and easy souls... and then pressed into 1-2 just to see what was going on over there. Lemme tell ya, I have absolutely no idea how I'm ever gonna fight those dragons.
Don't be a cunt. My mans did it through grit even though this isn't his type of game. You're trying to take away from his accomplishment.
To be honest, Flamelurker is the wall of the game. If you can beat him, mechanically, nothing can stop you after that. It doesn't help that right after him you can get one of the best spells in the entire series and was probably the sole inspiration for trying to nerf magic for Dark Souls.
Many bosses in it seem to be easy compared to later games so for a person who hits walls in any other FROM games this should be doable for most the hardest boss for me thus far i still died less than the easiest souls boss aside from something like pinwheel.
It's an absolutely amazing feeling, one you'll be chasing if you're like me. Mine was the Blood-Starved Beast in BB, I had played Souls games before (not all them), but it was the first that was just wooping my ass over and over, making me just question is it even possible, before I finally beat it and It was just such a good feeling and why I hold the games in such high regard. BB also does something later on with that boss too and to see how far I've come felt amazing too, before an even bigger ass whooping gave me that feeling again.
Congratulations. King Allant was the only boss I couldn't take out when I played Demon's Souls on ps3. I've beaten every souls/borne/sekiro game since. I'm going through the remake now and I'm scared of meeting him again.
I think this is the intention given all of the other final bosses checkpoints are right at the boss door.
The bloodborne method. I like magic so I always played as magic builds but still used my katanas. Bloodborne was hard for me to get into since there is no magic to fall back on or shields so doging is the way to go. Still gonna pick Noble when I get the game but will be using way more bloodborne styles if my recent messing around in dark souls is any indication. Congratulations though, I remember hiding in a corner back in the ps3 days to him.
Except Vitality, IIRC. This one can never be de-levelled.
That great feeling you had while writing this statement about overcoming insurmountable odds is the unrelenting feeling that most Souls players are searching for while playing a souls game. It's the reason why we argue against a difficulty option in the settings, and it's the reason why other games simply don't cut it for us anymore, at least in the mechanics department. You have just overcome your first FromSoft mountain, welcome to the club.
Only because of the platform. More annoying than anything.
I'd say Flamelurker is the toughest fair fight... Allant didn't really bother me, tbh, though I got hit by the delevel attack lol.
That was my "I don't think I'm going to beat this game" point. After that game is weirdly "easy" in comparison
I'm not sure why having a difficulty setting would change that. Games should be accessible to everyone. Not sure why the Souls games are special on that front.
Weirdly enough I beat him in maybe three or four attempts. Flamelurker was so hard it almost made me quit the game and Old Hero was super frustrating
