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Mesoian

▲ Legend ▲
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Oct 28, 2017
26,552
There's gotta be a better way to fight guardians than what I'm doing. I thought the game would mimic BOTW in making reflecting beams the big thing, but that seems foolish with the framerate being what it is.
 

Deleted member 34873

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Nov 29, 2017
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So should i be saving upgrades to the Master Sword and other Champion weapons for when I know what I'm doing with upgrades and when I have better materials?
 

Neiteio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,137
There's gotta be a better way to fight guardians than what I'm doing. I thought the game would mimic BOTW in making reflecting beams the big thing, but that seems foolish with the framerate being what it is.
If they're regular Guardians, attack the legs to cut them off or use a special attack to knock off all their limbs in one go
 

Jintor

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Oct 25, 2017
32,455
There's gotta be a better way to fight guardians than what I'm doing. I thought the game would mimic BOTW in making reflecting beams the big thing, but that seems foolish with the framerate being what it is.

there's definitely a perfect parry mechanic in the game but I absolutely cannot get the timing down
 

Mesoian

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Oct 28, 2017
26,552
If they're regular Guardians, attack the legs to cut them off or use a special attack to knock off all their limbs in one go

Yeah that's no help when you're fighting 5 of them at once.

Honestly with how little damage you do to the critical bar in this game, it's amazing that they thought having more than one captain in an area, let alone 8, would be a good idea.
 

correojon

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,410
Drilling down on some (spoiler) characters and learning how to use them efficiently is really entertaining.


- Yunobo's different barrier shields supercharge a different move: yellow is the raw strong, orange is weak-weak-strong, orange spikey is weak-weak-weak-strong. I think if you hit with a supercharged move it staggers most moblin-sized and below captains.
The barrier moves have more than one combo: Orange works with YX and with YYYYX, red works with YYX and with YYYX. Yellow I think only works with X, but I haven't tested it much. Also, these attacks can stagger everything, even Lynels or the Calamity Ganon Shards (and I think Hinox as well), but for a very reduced time, so it's more a tool to stop the enemy from attacking than to open weak point gauge opportunities. They even break through special enemy attacks that require rune counters. I managed to beat Wind Ganon without letting him do more than three or four attacks. Yunobo reminds me a lot of Lana's Portals in HW1 which were one of my favourite weapons because you have to adapt on the fly to what the barriers/summons randomly give you, but if you manage to do it the reward is amazing.


- Monk is interesting. Use the weak-strong combos to summon items onto the field then hit them with the ZR hammer to make them do wacky shit (mostly bounce in place etc).
I didn't know this, thanks for sharing! The characters are so awesome and different that I'm having trouble putting enough time into each of them to learn their ins & outs.
 

Rocketjay

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Apr 30, 2018
1,043
There's gotta be a better way to fight guardians than what I'm doing. I thought the game would mimic BOTW in making reflecting beams the big thing, but that seems foolish with the framerate being what it is.
I reflect the beams back no problem with Link. If you want to find an easier solution, use Daruk, he's the safest character to use against guardians.
His shield makes him immune to not only knockback from any attack including strong attacks, but also makes it so that he takes no knockback from any kind.
It's super-duper busted because you can just shield enemy attacks with him and immediately attack them when they have their weaknesses shown.
 

Mimosa

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Oct 23, 2019
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On the topic of Guardians - is there a way to interrupt their beam attack? I haven't figured it out yet and end up eating it 95% of the time lol
 

Curt Baboon

Avenger
Mar 13, 2018
3,572
Age of Calamity being so good actually led me to revisit my Breath of the Wild replay save and I'm falling in love with that game all over again.

It really is one of those worlds you can get lost in forever and it just never gets old. I had actually never done the quest in the Spring of Wisdom with the massive dragon before despite sinking like 60 hours beating the game the first time around, and I just stumbled upon it by complete accident while climbing Mount Lanayru without any particular goal in mind. It's crazy how there's still so much left to discover in a game I've essentially been playing for years, and how many of those things are legitimately worthwhile and awe-inspiring to find.

I am determined to get that goddamned green tunic this time around, too.
 

Jintor

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Oct 25, 2017
32,455
On the topic of Guardians - is there a way to interrupt their beam attack? I haven't figured it out yet and end up eating it 95% of the time lol

chopping off their arms or anything that otherwise forces them to flinch will do it.

Link can bomb rune through it as well lmao though it's a bit of a waste sometimes
 

MayorSquirtle

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May 17, 2018
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There's gotta be a better way to fight guardians than what I'm doing. I thought the game would mimic BOTW in making reflecting beams the big thing, but that seems foolish with the framerate being what it is.
When I did the Hyrule Castle mission earlier that has a ton of them, I just used a special at the start of every Guardian encounter and steamrolled them. Instantly severed all their legs and permanently exposed their weak point gauge. Hardly any of them even got a chance to attack. It felt... pretty weird, honestly. The game was trying to sell them as a huge threat I should be fleeing from but they died more easily than most other enemies you can lock on to.
 

Homura

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Aug 20, 2019
6,111
I think I found a good mission to farm rupees on. Aizō
There is a level 37 mission in the Gerudo area where you have to defeat 900 bokoblins and a molduga. The bokoblins are all in the starting area so a decently leveled character can easily complete the mission in way less time than the first story mission in Hyrule Field.
 

Nocturnowl

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Oct 25, 2017
26,118
Another guardian beam evading tactic is simply to throw up a cryonis block and hide behind it, for when you have no partners to switch to
 

Rocketjay

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Apr 30, 2018
1,043
When I did the Hyrule Castle mission earlier that has a ton of them, I just used a special at the start of every Guardian encounter and steamrolled them. Instantly severed all their legs and permanently exposed their weak point gauge. Hardly any of them even got a chance to attack. It felt... pretty weird, honestly. The game was trying to sell them as a huge threat I should be fleeing from but they died more easily than most other enemies you can lock on to.
They become a problem when there is more than one. Good luck keeping track of more than one redicl pointed at you at once, you only have so much shield to cover your body. Unless you are Daruk
 

Parthenios

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
13,615
Found the first challenge mission I'm really having some trouble with, it's

the winged escort mission with Teba

And the trouble is with controlling the character, not with the stage itself.

The tiny narrow corridor maps have a hard time with these super mobile characters

Teba, Riju, airborne Revali

and the camera itself goes cross-eyed in every combo. These characters/movesets would have fit better in the first HW, where the maps were more open and combat wasn't as focused on 1v1 time trials where these characters are kinda weak.
 
Nov 4, 2017
7,382
Ok so...
I just unlocked Hestu... He kind of sucks until he doesn't? At first I was like "ok this dude is weak as..." Then I got a bunch of koroks on screen, and I'm doing combos, and he does that thing where he helicopters along with a korok in each hand and just churns up enemies on the way. Special attack gauge fills, and he just dances enemies out existence. What a hoot.

Urbosa and Impa for life, though.

Also, those guardian bits are... Not great. I hope there aren't too many.
 

Mesoian

▲ Legend ▲
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Oct 28, 2017
26,552
Found the first challenge mission I'm really having some trouble with, it's

the winged escort mission with Teba

And the trouble is with controlling the character, not with the stage itself.

The tiny narrow corridor maps have a hard time with these super mobile characters

Teba, Riju, airborne Revali

and the camera itself goes cross-eyed in every combo. These characters/movesets would have fit better in the first HW, where the maps were more open and combat wasn't as focused on 1v1 time trials where these characters are kinda weak.


Yeah, the camera is secretly the hardest boss in the game. It really does need a fix.
 

Disclaimer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,535
Up to the Blights in CH5, and Hard mode is starting to become a majorly tedious damage sponge fest. Not sure what I could be doing differently -- spamming flurry rushes (for like 2 wedges of weakness, super great /s), have my weapons forged up with matching symbols, etc.

This might be my least favorite musou in terms of pacing and balance.
 

Neiteio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,137
Another guardian beam evading tactic is simply to throw up a cryonis block and hide behind it, for when you have no partners to switch to
You can also just guard against Guardian lasers with ZL -- you don't even take chip damage. I survived being mobbed in a corner by four Guardians at once this way, blocking until there was a brief opening in their targeting cycles. Granted, this tactic doesn't work as well on timed missions.
 

Neiteio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,137
Up to the Blights in CH5, and Hard mode is starting to become a majorly tedious damage sponge fest. Not sure what I could be doing differently -- spamming flurry rushes (for like 2 wedges of weakness, super great /s), have my weapons forged up with matching symbols, etc.

This might be my least favorite musou in terms of pacing and balance.
You're using the rods, right? Those instantly expose and prolong weakpoints (multiple foes at once if you aim it right, even spreading across pools of water or nearby metal boxes in some cases), and the game regularly gives you ammo for them.
 

Disclaimer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,535
You're using the rods, right? Those instantly expose and prolong weakpoints and the game regularly gives you ammo for them.

Generally, yeah, but right now I'm bashing my head against Fireblight and all I have are fire rods, so not super helpful lol. Not restarting this stupidly lengthy mission to go get more.
 

Berordn

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,747
NoVA
On the topic of Guardians - is there a way to interrupt their beam attack? I haven't figured it out yet and end up eating it 95% of the time lol
slice off their legs and they'll stagger while they're charging it up, and if you have a character with a shield you can reflect it back at them to also cause them to stagger
 

Parthenios

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
13,615
The elemental rods are basically required for many missions, especially anything timed, if you aren't overleveled. Because of that, I think it's kinda silly that you don't start with full rods each challenge (not a super problem for most maps, but noticeable for the ones that are "just beat this Hinox and Lynel in two minutes, go!" and no Wizzrobes to restock on).
 

Disclaimer

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Oct 25, 2017
11,535
The elemental rods are basically required for many missions, especially anything timed, if you aren't overleveled. Because of that, I think it's kinda silly that you don't start with full rods each challenge (not a super problem for most maps, but noticeable for the ones that are "just beat this Hinox and Lynel in two minutes, go!" and no Wizzrobes to restock on).

There's zero reason that both food and rods shouldn't be fully restocked for any mission; as you say, they're clearly balanced around having certain things that they don't necessarily provide. It's pretty absurd to have to go farm other missions first. At least make them purchasable from a vendor or something.
 

Platy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,704
Brazil
like 40 hours in a loading screen FINALLY explaining what i need to hold shield and press Y to parry instead of pressing shield in the right moment.

That explains why the perfect guard thing was on zero till now =P
 

Master Milk

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Oct 25, 2017
2,450
You can also just guard against Guardian lasers with ZL -- you don't even take chip damage. I survived being mobbed in a corner by four Guardians at once this way, blocking until there was a brief opening in their targeting cycles. Granted, this tactic doesn't work as well on timed missions.
. . . i'm so mad i never bothered to try before. i thought there was nooooooo way the beams wouldn't be unblockable if you didn't do the perfect reflect or whatever it is

live and learn
 

rAndom

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,866
The elemental rods are basically required for many missions, especially anything timed, if you aren't overleveled. Because of that, I think it's kinda silly that you don't start with full rods each challenge (not a super problem for most maps, but noticeable for the ones that are "just beat this Hinox and Lynel in two minutes, go!" and no Wizzrobes to restock on).

I rarely use rods, even up to post game. I just rely on powering up my combos and weapons.
 

Parthenios

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
13,615
I rarely use rods, even up to post game. I just rely on powering up my combos and weapons.
They're probably not as necessary if you have the parry rush timing down and can break their meters that way. But I can't do it consistently (the timing seems variable) so I'm stuck blasting them with rods.
 

Birdie

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
26,289
I think I kind of get weapon fusion now...got same shape plus normal attack and plus strong attack on my Master Sword.

I'm kind of confused when it comes to which weapon I should use as the base, like what weapons are "ranked". Like for the Champions I'm levelling up their starter weapons which are unique, but eventually I imagine a dropped weapon will end up being better overall? Don't see Star ranks like HW had.
 

Vampirolol

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Dec 13, 2017
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I'm loving this game from top to bottom, the direction of the story is such a positive surprise I just can't believe it and I didn't even expect all those characters!
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,371
Just finished the great plateau stage. I guess I'm close to the end.

I think I kind of get weapon fusion now...got same shape plus normal attack and plus strong attack on my Master Sword.

I'm kind of confused when it comes to which weapon I should use as the base, like what weapons are "ranked". Like for the Champions I'm levelling up their starter weapons which are unique, but eventually I imagine a dropped weapon will end up being better overall? Don't see Star ranks like HW had.

There does seem to be tiers of weapons, like Impa's Kakariko -> Faithful -> Devoted Kodachi, and each of them has a range of attack power it can be which is kinda like how star ranks work. I just don't know what the maximum attack power of each weapon is. And in Link's case, he has so many weapons available and I'm not even sure I've found the most powerful weapon types for him.

I ended up hoarding all the good skills because I'm afraid I might fuse them onto a weapon I'll replace soon.
 

Dary

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Oct 27, 2017
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The English Wilderness
Like for the Champions I'm levelling up their starter weapons which are unique, but eventually I imagine a dropped weapon will end up being better overall?
They're not unique - more copies start dropping in high level missions.
And in Link's case, he has so many weapons available and I'm not even sure I've found the most powerful weapon types for him.
Based on what I've collected, it looks like the Royal Guard set are his top tier.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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They're not unique - more copies start dropping in high level missions.

Based on what I've collected, it looks like the Royal Guard set are his top tier.

The royal guard halberd is the strongest spear I've got so that seems right. I don't have the royal guard sword or 2h sword yet, though. Strongest ones I currently have for each are the tri boomerang and the dragonbone moblin club.
 

BabyShams

Member
Nov 7, 2017
1,838
Nearing 100% completion but I'm burnt out being forced to use this trash tier character.

Terrako

Having to kill the 4 blights with that character is annoying. I don't even want to use him to level up or get better weapons to make it easier.
 

Neiteio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,137
Nearing 100% completion but I'm burnt out being forced to use this trash tier character.

Terrako

Having to kill the 4 blights with that character is annoying. I don't even want to use him to level up or get better weapons to make it easier.
Huh, my impression was people generally find that character to be one of the stronger characters
 

Razmos

Unshakeable One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
15,890
I just randomly got Zelda's
Bow
through my smash Zelda amiibo despite not unlocking that weapon yet lol
 
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Nocturnowl

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,118
Beat the main story at just over 29 hours
This game has one of the few things Breath of the Wild lacked, a hype ending...and a more unique credits medley.

If this game's performance was a bit cleaner I'd be ready to immediately call it king of the warriors titles but since there's like 20 plus warriors games from the last decade alone I've not played and no performance mode option like say FE Warriors instead I have to conclude that it's probably the best warriors game, in the musou field it fights for my love with Sengoku Basara.

In any case, Tecmo Koei really swung for the fences here, definitely not without its faults where even among musou titles I'm thinking "please no, I can't take my tenth Hinox in my last hour of gameplay alone" but it's got so much going for it with how it leans hard in Breath of the Wild-isms alongside a host of very unique movesets.
 

MrSaturn99

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,478
I live in a giant bucket.


Says it all, really -- can you spot it? Maybe it's been pointed out already.

But really, I can't be the only who squealed with glee when
Hestu joined you? You just knew he was playable from the promotional screenshots, and when the moment came...it was glorious. Also, maybe this just happened to me, but when I beat Astor the first time, he dropped some of Hestsu's maracas. They're kindered spirits -- my headcanon whispers to me so. [/SPOILED]