Yuffie steals all the materia and sells it. Everybody starts somewhere between level 35 to 50 and the enemies are scaled accordingly.
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How should FFVIIR Part 2 handle materia and levels? (Spoilers)
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Her whole story line is she is stealing materia because Wutai has been complacent since the war ended and wants to build up a stock pile for them to fight back.
Level is just number, true. But materia? I don't think giving the players the access to high-level spells like Thundaga or Firaga at the start of a new game is good idea. Even in OG, we're not this overpowered at this stage.
Yuffie steals your shit, you go after her. Materia and gear is solved.
Levels just scale. Level 50 in Midgard could be equivalent to Level 10 worldwide.
Also, videogame leves don't have to be exponetial... in a RPG just cause you are level 50 that does not mean you are literally 5 times more powerfull than level 10 person.
Levels just scale. Level 50 in Midgard could be equivalent to Level 10 worldwide.
Also, videogame leves don't have to be exponetial... in a RPG just cause you are level 50 that does not mean you are literally 5 times more powerfull than level 10 person.
Exactly. Y'all need to get used to the idea that this stuff is not carrying over. SE isn't going to alienate a potential new players or leave them feeling like they are missing out. The feeling of progression is a core part of game design and you don't solve that by making numbers go higher like some of you are suggesting. It sucks but it is the exact problem we that was inevitable when it was decided that one game would get split up into multiple parts.
These games are too expensive to make to design around just the audience that bought Part 1.
Because we are going to be crossing console generations, I don't even expect some type of bonus based on what you did in Part 1.
I don't think our materia will carry over. I imagine they will be concerned about the 'new players' that for some reason didn't play part 1. If they let us keep our materia we would have some pretty crazy builds at the jump of the game. They would also have to scale monsters to us already take hits from 'Ga' level spells and enemy skills like Bad Breath.
Yuffie stealing our materia would be a good enough reason to go in bare bones. It would be double satisfying if we can earn it back in wutai or something.
If we go to 3 parts they could end part 1 after Cloud gives the black materia to Sephiroth. Part 3 could start with Tifa waking up in junon a week later and you could give the excuse that Shinra took all our belonging.
I personally dont mind if they strip us in each part. Earning our stuff back and getting more powerful stuff in the process would be neat.
Yuffie stealing our materia would be a good enough reason to go in bare bones. It would be double satisfying if we can earn it back in wutai or something.
If we go to 3 parts they could end part 1 after Cloud gives the black materia to Sephiroth. Part 3 could start with Tifa waking up in junon a week later and you could give the excuse that Shinra took all our belonging.
I personally dont mind if they strip us in each part. Earning our stuff back and getting more powerful stuff in the process would be neat.
why not, they played the first game and it carries over so what, other new materia will be available to level up, like Quake. Using thundaga and FIraga came at ahuge expense in this new battle system, both MP and timewise so I dont see the issue. there were many times I would get attacked while charging up a big spell like thundaga.
If they didnt play the first part then they dont carry over anything over and they start them at some base level which could essentially be level 50
Again. They can easily give new players who didn't import a save file a suite of starter materia. This is not hard.
And what about weapons and weapon abilities? Are we supposed to believe Tifa just forgot how to punch right?
I dont understand why its so difficult and problematic for you to just keep all your stuff and levels. The character level is uncapped to 100, and each episode it adds another 50. Materia all has higher levels also. There's not going to be many people who are playing the next one without playing the first one that would be kind of stupid as its one whole story anyway.
If they do that Yuffie thing its going to be really dumb and contrived and everyone will hate the character, and it kind of ruins the whole Wutai story, but maybe they said they are changing it completely, I don't know.
If they do that Yuffie thing its going to be really dumb and contrived and everyone will hate the character, and it kind of ruins the whole Wutai story, but maybe they said they are changing it completely, I don't know.
It's a weird sitation then because if I was a new player, I certainly wouldn't use the basic mode with less materia... yet I might still find it overwhelming. I really dount you can swap over data too because it's years ahead.
The lore says that the weapons have Materia cores inside of them. So that helps explain both the "forgetting" of abilities and Yuffie's motivation for stealing the weapons.
Neither do I. Her Character Class is "Thief".
Because removing materia kills gameplay options. It makes the battle system very boring.
But you can use a weapon's ability without the weapon equipped.
FFVII-2 is going to be a game in and of itself, designed and curated with progression and item distribution in its own right. It doesn't need to be a direct gameplay progress continuation of FFVIIR.
The battle system of VII-2 is likely going to be different enough that direct continuation won't make sense.
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If you dont want to use the basic mode play the first game and carry over what you gain from that, if you dont want to play the first game, just use a preset that is given to you. FFVII remake has sold ALOT of copies, I just dont see this as a big issue, lots of games have carried over progress successfully to the next, and when unable to they just give a preset.
I think you're just thinking about the context in the original, but it's shallow to just look it that way, that was like a side quest. This time she's stealing like 40 hours of gameplay progress.
You can give a noble reason all you want for why she does it but she becomes a diabolus ex machina, a character coming from nowhere and fucking up your work.
Again, my prediction is a preset selection of materia. People saying no materia are cray. Or some dumb Yuffie thing? Nah.
Also SE will reward previous FFVIIR players some way.
She gives the materia back eventually in the original, this way she wouldn't be giving it back at all, I don't understand how its hard to understand that the majority of players will hate her for it especially when its the beginning of the game and you barely know her.
This isn't explained in the lore, but my explanation would be that you need to have them on your person to use the abilities with other Weapons.
Which then brings us to where the hell the unused weapons, items and materia go lol.
I agree there will be a small token for those who are found to have FFVIIR savegames on their system/trophies on their profile. But what you get won't be anything particularly curated or special. That's how most games do these kind of things. It's a piece of DLC that everybody gets just for playing the previous the game.
I'd be incredibly surprised if we get a Mass Effect style thing out of this series.
If they need a story reason, it should be a character or incident you're not meant to like, stealing your 40 hours of progress.
Gameplay design trumps narrative. Think about this stuff in the context of any other game series: Why does Geralt start at level 4 at the start of Witcher 3? He already saved the world twice over. He was level 40 at the end of Witcher 2! Why does he have crappy starter gear when I ended The Witcher 2 with end game equipment? What, did he forget how to swing a sword?
Exactly, it will stand of its own as a contained experience.
I like that most summons are virtual remakes, meaning they can be replaced with the "real" ones later
Otherwise, itd be weird to start part II with Firaga and shit so Im sure theyll retcon that to some degree. Part I at least didnt use all of the materia they could have used so thats good
Otherwise, itd be weird to start part II with Firaga and shit so Im sure theyll retcon that to some degree. Part I at least didnt use all of the materia they could have used so thats good
FF VII Remake 2 might be more jarring, because the events of the sequel would begin so soon after the first (barring the nibelheim flashback)
Different expectations. This is a remake saga of a single game. Not a remake of a series of games. You need continuity or it will be jarring narratively.
Well, this is not MMO. And I don't think Square Enix has previous records of doing that kind of thing in offline RPG. CMIIW though.
In KH3, Sora lose his power. In Lightning Returns FFXIII, Lightning start with basic spell like thunder, etc, eventhough narrative-wise she should the savior, all powerful goddess.
That's an excellent observation.
Leviathan's role in Wutai's Mythology comes to mind here.
Start at level 1 with base Buster Sword, no materia and no skills learned. Don't ever bring it up.
I'm just saying it is not a difficult mathematical problem. It's not as hard as you guys are making it.
it doesn't matter if the sidequests are terrible, they are terrible in other games aswell.
Part 1 is its own game - Part 2 will start fresh like basically every sequel to videogames.
You start at a low level and build up your way to a powerful character - that's the basic formular of videogames
Part 2 will not be a addon or DLC - it will be a completely new game, with new gameplay and combat.
You can't be serious, balancing a game is a tremendous challenge. Most games have problems with balance and they don't even have the expectations of a continued narrative.
You could still have progression. You balance the game with the new ceiling. That's all.
Are we gonna do this hard reset every entry in these remake series?
This is not a fighting game. It's a JPRG. There are very simple mathematical formulas you can apply.
You can also nerf some Materia.
that's what I think yes. They will treat each game as a completely new entry with no carryover outside of the narrative. Just my gut.
I mean are they going to have it happen twice, your characters are really careless with their materia at the beginning of the game and then later on as well, the impact is lessened the second time and all the more frustrating. People might not even understand that you get it back a bit later.
It's because people are overthinking it. Shit would be hilarious in game.
Not a hard reset as in no materia. Nah. My prediction is you will get preset materia--Cloud having a Lighting Materia, Aeris having Pray, Cure, and so on. You'll also have your old summons since they're easy to rebalance.
Materia is one of the big things of this game. While you may not have your original sets, starting with no Materia will be too jarring.
I don't agree with anyone hating her for that is my thing. Kingdom hearts like someone brought up always comes up with some BS why you're lvl 1 again. And even if people end up "hating her" in the beginning It's ok for a character be unlikable when you first meet them. If they follow through with her original story it will make sense to new players why she did it. I imagine it will be portrayed as some wacky anime hi jinks anyway so I still have my doubts about anyone having any serious contempt for the character lol.
If they want the player to start at base level again and they want a narrative reason it make sense to move an already existing story line involving Yuffie steal materia up to the beginning of the game.
Or maybe they don't reset at all!
I don't care. I'll trust them to make the right decision.
Would they even need a narrative reason to explain away losing all your experience and gear? Like I know materia exists in the narrative, but it's not like Cloud having and evolving "x" materia was part of the story. That and stuff like weapons upgrades seems a lot more "meta". Like when FFVII-R 2 starts I fully expect Cloud and Barrett to have their trusty old sword and machine gun arm back.
Yuffie will leave you the basics and run off laughing.
Of course they don't need a reason. It's more fun if they do though.
A lot people would definitely hate her, even if some personally think it would be amusing to have a scrappy character fucking over your progress.