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Hideo Kojima explains how he can create games fast
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Well, we'll see wether the game needed a couple of extra years or not once it releases.
I'm still on the team "the game will be at least interesting"
I'm still on the team "the game will be at least interesting"
kojima reached the status on era where they are going to call out literally ANYTHING he says or does, its really disappointing to see a supposedly mature forum fall so low.
Yeah but ubisoft lately try to be the most realistic possible (what egypt and greece was at the time) so not only they made the game but they have a lot of historians working with them
User banned(1 week): Thread whining, modwhining, and inflammatory comparisons.
Yup.
I've been warned for mod whining before. But I will take another warnning or Ban again here. This forum is a fucking joke right now in terms of quality of posting and quality of moderation. Reaching Gamefaqs and some of worst gaming subreddits. People here would literally want a dev to be quite because they will pounce on every word he says.
For me - when it comes to Kojima, here's the thing :
The fact that he is an egoistical, proud game developer who rarely credits his team, elevates his self-importance in the games that he shipped ( valid or otherwise ), has a degree of god complex, and someone who regularly puts a higher degree of importance to the creative aspects of his work ( taboo, new genre, never-done-before, etc etc )...
Is nothing new whatsoever. In fact, it's well known... since forever, basically.
So I see the stuff that he's saying and his usual hyperbole and it's like "ah, it's typical Kojima again."
Do I wish that he is more like Cory Barlog, Bruce Straley, Miyazaki, Fumito Ueda - who conducts themselves with far less hubris? Yes.
Do I expect it of him, nor do I care that he's the way he is? Nah.
Yeah he was independent, but he had more resources than anyone in this industry could ever dream of and to not acknowledge that by making yourself out to be a "struggling indie dev who started with nothing," is the essence of arrogance.
This is not a tniy indie but 100 peoples is very low for a AAA, this is AA budget. Here this is probably a AAA budget because of actors but this is more like a AA game in term of team size.
EDIT: ND are 520 peoples if we add ICE Team and they outsource a lot, Guerrilla want to reach 400 peoples, Coaltion there are between 300 and 400 people, 343 Industrie they are 500
I think it's the tiny indie part that's grating people, but I suspect that's a translation error.
There's no way this game is AA in budget. Control was AA in budget and it's noticeable in all aspects of the game that it had a AA/medium budget. Nothing about DS gives off the impression it's AA.
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The status he has is why the comment comes off grating to begin with. He's an industry darling, a very high profile and well known producer and director that any studio would pick up without a moments hesitation, and did, as Sony gave him his own studio so quickly.
For control they were only 100 peoples but Remedy is doing the engine it is maybe one of the reason they are even less with only a team of 80 peoples. Here the game would probably be pretty cheap for a AAA if there was not the actors.
From a developement point of view the Kojima productions teams is low but they have some support coming from Sony VASG and Guerrilla games. But I doubt the game is more expensive to do than Days Gone out of the actors and Days Gone is a tiny AAA budget.
EDIT: I think like he explains inside the interview one difference is in Japan, games are developed in a more top down management mode and it accelerate the decision...
this is so unnecessary. do you also write paragraphs for when people praise film directors without mentioning the cameramen?
I wanna be as humble as Kojima.
Wondering if this time he called himself "god" in-game like he did in Peace Walker.
I was waiting for this ❤️
Chapter 3 when?!
Wondering if this time he called himself "god" in-game like he did in Peace Walker.
I was waiting for this ❤️
Chapter 3 when?!
He's saying exactly what people repeated over the years, the only reason mgs v took time was because of the fox engine, otherwise Kojima is very efficient in making games.
And he explains it very clearly and I think this is not only a Kojima things but it seems a japanese things many things decided by the team in western studio are made by the game director in japanese studios.
The end of MGSV and what we know of Chapter 3 seems to point at numerous issues preventing the game from fully being complete, at least in the way originally visioned.
The whole "Is this chapter 3?" stuck around for so long since many just couldn't accept he wasn't able to finish his game and would leave it in that state.
Films and games are two entirely different mediums so comparing the two like that makes no sense. There's many other flaws with your argument but I can't really be bothered to go into them right now.
Kept you waiting, huh?
It's weird that at one point he was known for producing games slightly slower than other studios (look at how slow MGS sequels were compared to FF or RE on PS1). But he's managed to keep the same pace while the rest of the industry has slowed down, so he's gone from being a bit slower to a bit faster than everyone else.
It's weird that at one point he was known for producing games slightly slower than other studios (look at how slow MGS sequels were compared to FF or RE on PS1). But he's managed to keep the same pace while the rest of the industry has slowed down, so he's gone from being a bit slower to a bit faster than everyone else.
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What were those issues? What caused the project to take longer than expected?
Seems like a fair comparison to me, especially the way movies are made nowadays.
it's reality. Top dogs get universal praise in almost any team based activity. In the arts and in the corporate world.
It's Kojima you guys are annoyed at for some reason (could be legit, idk idc) lmao, let's not pretend that there's some altruistic need for you to want everybody to get their credit.
Says the person making an immature generalization in a thread full of varying opinions?
Some of you have no self-awareness when you post...
It was the engine & Konami, but the point still stands. Had things gone differently with his personal mantra, we could've gotten a game that incorporated everything he originally wanted.
I think that Konami just wanted to ship the game already since their mobile division brought more money than their console games, leading to all kinds of conflicts with Kojima; which in the end they made him work on it in a separate room for the last 6 months of development according to Keighley.
He has to thank Sony and Guerilla for the already ready and majestic Decima Engine which spared him unfathomable time so instead of losing time creating an engine while creating an game at the same time, he has just to focus on creating the game solely.
The Kohima bashing around here can get quite tiresome at times but I wholly agree with you here and I do think it's justified at times. This quote from him left a very bad taste in my mouth. Doesn't even put a word in for his team. It's all about him
This is such a weird take if you've been following the discussion here for the last few days.
I don't think there's any big AAA budget game that doesn't outscouce anything right now... Maybe just Nintendo but that's just guessing while assuming Nintendo is always about 5 or so years behind in these kind of things.
This would sound a lot better if he weren't throwing out ridiculous ballpark figures for other developers.
Guerilla Games built the Decima Engine and completed Horizon Zero Dawn in roughly three years.
Kojima -- "Oh no, seriously, they were working on that game for like 12 years."
Guerilla Games built the Decima Engine and completed Horizon Zero Dawn in roughly three years.
Kojima -- "Oh no, seriously, they were working on that game for like 12 years."
Because hes not some fresh newbie developer making games in their garage, hes a rich egomaniac with a cult following who would worship what he leaves in the toilet.
He didnt just have a dream and a can-do attitude like hes suggesting
Even DMC 5 and RE2, despite not having Ubisoft, Sony or Rockstar budget they were heavily outsourced, i looked at DMC 5 credits and there are something like 4-6 different chinese and non studios working on the game. From Software does the same thing.
7 different studios from China to Brazil worked on Horizon Zero Dawn for example.
It's not only AAA, even AA games are outsourced; Senua model was co-developed by 4 studios despite Hellblade being in the low end of AA budget.
Ok fine, I'm willing to accept the information I read about the E3 trailer using Decima was incorrect. However Kojima Productions had the engine from January/February 2016, which is when Kojima went on tour with Mark Cerny to find an engine to use. It was the end of the trip when Guerilla gave them the source code (in an engraved box to boot) so my point about them having the engine from early 2016 still stands.
Isn't the "struggling tiny indies" said/inferred by the poster? His tweet only state he's independent working in a tiny room.
they didnt decide which engine to work on until after the E3 trailer, so they couldnt have started full production until H2 2016
I think having a single source of truth really helps. He knows what he wants and he makes quick calls. From a lot of what Jason has written you see these big games fail because there is no decision making or there's a group of people constantly changing directions and it drags everything down.
No it's not. The thread is full of varied opinions on this topic. Those kinds of generalizations are always dumb.
But the studio was not ready during 2016. He aimed to fill up the studio with 100 devs in 2017.
"Kojima said 2017 is the year Kojima Productions, which is built to accommodate 100 staff, will take off."
Deciding to use it after E3 doesn't mean the engine just sat in it's box somewhere, they'd have been experimenting with it, testing it, seeing how it could be modified. It's not as though they suddenly had a new engine dropped in their laps after E3.
As stated though, my point is that saying it took 3 years from the beginning of development to the end is incorrect.
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