US nears daily Covid cases record amid warning of 500,000 deaths by February
Trump says US entering ‘final turn’ as scientists say situation could worsen if states ease measures designed to slow spread of virus
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Half a million Americans could die of Covid by end of February, 130k live could be saved if 95% wear mask - UW study
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I wonder if Biden wins and dems get the senate, if we'll see them ask states to shut down for a month again or something to try and hit the reset button in a way.
Nah, Republicans are determined to kill us all even if we gave them unlimited power.
The UN is right though.
The UN is right though.
This is it right here. Trump poisoned the well. To all those that say he isn't responsible for COVID, remember that he is responsible for this right here. His messaging literally kills people.
That's when we start fining people heavily for refusing to wear masks. If we can ticket people for not wearing a seatbelt, we can ticket them for not wearing a mask.
This is the reason why I am dreading next year if a Democratic Congress does the right thing and makes all states shut down. It's going to be a political shitshow, and Republicans along with Trump poisoned the well. Something so sensible and rational has become a rallying point. I normally wouldn't shrug if a bunch of fucking idiots wanted to endanger their own lives, but everyone is at risk with their recklessness.
It's also mentally exhausting to see these people screaming that we have to open everything while refusing to help in doing so.
- Open the schools!
Ok, lets get our numbers down by wearing masks and not having large gatherings
- NO!
I work as an epidemiologist for a county health department in Florida, and I'm gonna leave the field when I have a chance. It's honestly not worth this departmental and public frustration I see and deal with every single day.
not gonna happen.
but you'll start seeing Fauci every day again.
Unfortunately that means packing (more) people in a jail, giving the virus a better chance. I like the idea of fining people, and maybe even garnishing their wages. Attacking somebody's dollars will get them to straighten up real quick.
My grandfather won't make it through this winter. There's going to be a lot of funerals in 2021 :-(
Perhaps a good third of this country will tell us that more American lives than in WWII disappearing from the population is all an illusion.
The republicans will bitch about how Covid was under control until Biden got into office. How his shutdowns is tanking the economy that was the best it ever has been before, mask enforcement is him taking freedoms away. I'm not American but even I'm getting mad at the inevitable... I'm sorry for every sane American.
It's frustrating enough in a country that did somewhat ok with Covid. Stay safe
It's frustrating enough in a country that did somewhat ok with Covid. Stay safe
I 100% support the mask wearing call, but I am a bit skeptical of these numbers.
If you look at hospitalizations our second wave was pretty equivalent to the first in numbers, but we had a smaller death spike due to a better understanding of the virus.
Right now we in the midst of a third wave, and hospitalizations are starting to follow, and a spike in deaths is due.
However, to reach 300,000 more deaths in four months we will need a consistent death rate at 2,500 deaths a day. This is a rate we haven't seen since May or so, and It would have to sustain itself.
I feel that they are underestimating the self limiting effect of a spike in COVID. If the number of deaths really starts to rise again, people will start to pull back out of fear. And for our death toll to rise to a 2,500 everyday average we will need a giant wave that dwarfs the previous ones.
If you look at hospitalizations our second wave was pretty equivalent to the first in numbers, but we had a smaller death spike due to a better understanding of the virus.
Right now we in the midst of a third wave, and hospitalizations are starting to follow, and a spike in deaths is due.
However, to reach 300,000 more deaths in four months we will need a consistent death rate at 2,500 deaths a day. This is a rate we haven't seen since May or so, and It would have to sustain itself.
I feel that they are underestimating the self limiting effect of a spike in COVID. If the number of deaths really starts to rise again, people will start to pull back out of fear. And for our death toll to rise to a 2,500 everyday average we will need a giant wave that dwarfs the previous ones.
Yeah, it's fucking infuriating how people just don't give a fuck about doing their part.
I just found out earlier this week that one of my old classmates passed away from Covid. She had just gotten engaged, got a new job, a new house, and things were looking so good for her. And now she's gone. I'm not sure how old she was, but I doubt she was any older or younger than me (I'm 41). It's just so heartbreaking and frustrating how cavalierly people are treating this epidemic.
I'm just so over these selfish assholes. Wear a fucking mask. Social distance. Or better yet, stay home if that's possible (I know some folks have to work, and I don't fault them at all; this is more towards the people that selfishly go out to crowded parties, don't wear masks, and don't social distance. FUCK YOU PEOPLE).
I just found out earlier this week that one of my old classmates passed away from Covid. She had just gotten engaged, got a new job, a new house, and things were looking so good for her. And now she's gone. I'm not sure how old she was, but I doubt she was any older or younger than me (I'm 41). It's just so heartbreaking and frustrating how cavalierly people are treating this epidemic.
I'm just so over these selfish assholes. Wear a fucking mask. Social distance. Or better yet, stay home if that's possible (I know some folks have to work, and I don't fault them at all; this is more towards the people that selfishly go out to crowded parties, don't wear masks, and don't social distance. FUCK YOU PEOPLE).
It's really that simple. Either we can't be arsed enough to put a cloth over our face to save 100k or we step up.
Witnessed a guy wearing an American flag shirt with camo pants and no mask yelling at employees at Harris Teeter today that he has every right to shop maskless. Last thing I heard him say was I DIDNT ANYTHING as security ushered him out. Fuck the maskless.
Your thoughts here are not factoring the different influenza strains that will run through the country that will exacerbate the problem. On top of that, our "second wave" which was an extension of the first wave happened during the warm seasons of the year. When more and more people go indoors because it's freezing outside, this increases the spreading of COVID-19.
When more and more people get sick from whatever reason, whether it's the flu, the cold, or COVID-19, hospital capacity will become overloaded, this will increase death rates. So, no the number is not too crazy of a figure for our country to hit during the flu season. This is especially true since we are already hitting above 80k new cases daily and the number will likely go up as the weather gets colder.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/u-...ly-covid-19-cases-83000.311995/#post-49293781
I agree with Danby that the death rates are going down and I think it will stay that way as doctors continue to get better at treating this.
That doesn't mean I think we shouldn't try to contain it. I also think that numbers will spike during the winter, I just don't think we will hit 500k by February.
Yeah, I don't deny Danby's point about how the healthcare systems in the country are better equipped to handle COVID-19 than compared to the early months of March - June. However, I also do not believe it's too far fetch of an idea that we can possibly have a huge spike in death rates with all the potential factors of cold and influenza simultaneous infections with COVID-19. I just hope it wouldn't be true, but I am expecting the worse.
Your thoughts here are not factoring the different influenza strains that will run through the country that will exacerbate the problem. On top of that, our "second wave" which was an extension of the first wave happened during the warm seasons of the year. When more and more people go indoors because it's freezing outside, this increases the spreading of COVID-19.
When more and more people get sick from whatever reason, whether it's the flu, the cold, or COVID-19, hospital capacity will become overloaded, this will increase death rates. So, no the number is not too crazy of a figure for our country to hit during the flu season. This is especially true since we are already hitting above 80k new cases daily and the number will likely go up as the weather gets colder.
Some good points here. Overcrowed hospitals is one way that could lead to more deaths. People are being more careful than previous years so it we will see how badly the regular flu spreads, leading to more overcrowding.
And I didn't think about if the colder weather will affect the spread.
Ultimately this will still require a large wave, and hopefully this doesn't happen.
I still feel that double our current deaths in only four months is little excessive, unless we are considering the real toll (the excess deaths at 300,000). That is much more likely to reach 500,000
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I think we will get a spike and it will be significant and horrible, just not at the high end of those numbers.
I am also a internet know nothing about this stuff like almost everyone else so I am not going to act like I am an expert in these subjects, which almost none of us really are equipped to predict accurately.
The issue now is it's spreading in parts of the country that just don't have any kind of restrictions and are completely against restrictions. Also this outbreak is heading towards nationwide while the one March was very localized in many areas. Between that and a very cold winter. It's not going to be a good one. 300k seems high but who knows at this point
Who would enforce it? Cops around here don't wear masks either, and I live in MA.
Pigs love quotas. Give them an easy ticket to write and they'll be happy little pigs in shit.