How much does the game make and is it proportionate to the effort of voicing is a less ignorant question
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GTA San Andreas voice actor for CJ rages at Rockstar Games and says he'll never work for them again and won't be in GTA VI
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How much does the game make and is it proportionate to the effort of voicing is a less ignorant question
Yeah....Did he find out some day that he should have gotten more out of the role than he did or something?
The actor moaned about royalty payments IIRC. When Niko appears in 'Episodes from Liberty City' Rockstar made sure he didn't speak. In fact the last time Niko appears in the universe he silently mouths "fuck you" directly to camera... A message to the VA probably.
That isn't true, the last time niko appeared is in ballad of gay tony and he didn't mouth fuck you.
its this. And if any VA comes in wanting points, they'll move on to the next candidate. Supply & demand.
Why is how much the game makes relevant? Does he deserve more money than, for instance the actress in control because the game made more money? Lets be real here, he's not why that game made crazy money.
I would say most people deserve more money, belittling the creativity or how impressive the VA was for GTA games in the PS2 era is pretty silly. And I'm unsure how one determines with any certainty one or two factors beyond all others why a product is successful. I remember CJ being voiced really damn well back then.
At some point, the people working on the game, whether it's programmers, artists, producers, voice actors, marketing, etc deserve a lot of the credit. No one is discounting the impact the Housers have had on the industry, but it's not like they're singlehandedly doing all these things.
I don't get it. Did they ask him to be in GTA 6 for a pittance or something? Why is he just now complaining?
The people that work countless hours and crunch like crazy to make these games are the ones that deserve royalties. I don't feel for this voice actor at all.
That should be a thing regulated in the guy's contract. I'm assuming he's just lashing out because he signed a bad contract. I don't think a studio like Rockstar can get away with not paying actors their due for like a decade and longer, without that being a thing at all until an actor makes a ruckus on twitter. At the same time...nothing in this industry would surprise me anymore, honestly.
As someone said already, Rockstar probably know these games are making bank, no matter the actor, so I doubt they have something like paying residuals in their contracts.
If the company signs talent that they know can be exploited with various conditions on account of being unknown while knowing their pay is less than what the overall product will cost..that can be seen as manipulative. Especially when it comes to va who only just recently came together to make noise about industry practices via sag aftra
Vas are just as much apart of game dev as any other aspect and deserve to be treated with respect. But if were gonna act like anyone in game dev can just be mistreated and replaced...
If its the same as with GTA4 he didn't even know he was working on a GTA game. Worked on a code named project probably not listed as rockstar or take2 and didn't know what it was til really close to release. I'm assuming its coming up now for royalties or something like not knowing they did a phone port.
Yup. Companies can hide what you're doing to give you less expectations. Like when Disney was launching their Florida project, to buy land for cheap as unknown subsidiaries. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's ethical.
It was Rockstar voice actors who spoke at a California Occupational Safety & Health Standards Board meeting requesting a law to limit studio time and complaining of vocal cord injuries due to harsh conditions- i.e. having to scream for long periods of time.
It's all about money. Listen, it sucks that the games they helped make made a shitload and they only received what they signed for, but there's literally thousands of Rockstar employees who also don't see the money their games make.
Also, maybe a bit of what he's angry about has something to do with the rumoured/speculated GTA V DLC featuring CJ that came from a panel the three GTA V voice actors did back in 2013? I seem to remember something on Instagram or Twitter about this, too. I believe he posted images or videos about something GTA V related? Maybe somebody with a better memory can, well, remember what exactly it was. Either way, that obviously never happened so it got canceled or it was never in the works to begin with.
Also, maybe a bit of what he's angry about has something to do with the rumoured/speculated GTA V DLC featuring CJ that came from a panel the three GTA V voice actors did back in 2013? I seem to remember something on Instagram or Twitter about this, too. I believe he posted images or videos about something GTA V related? Maybe somebody with a better memory can, well, remember what exactly it was. Either way, that obviously never happened so it got canceled or it was never in the works to begin with.
Its all labor bro.
We should make a thread for every single one.
"game makes BILLIONS and the VA doesn't see 10% of that" seems like an extraordinarily dumb argument to make.
The rumor turned out to be Franklin va and cj va collaborating on a project unrelated to gta.
So now we went from being ignorant about how developers make games to now being ignorant about how VOs arent working for the money they demand
Rockstar doesn't pay their actors shit despite the games making obscene amounts of money and the execs making enough to collect cars and shit.
At this point, I'm pretty convinced that my supporting Rockstar is going toward supporting pretty toxic work culture. I feel like I can't go a year without someone within their talent pool coming forth about bad work conditions or just general disrespect. Rockstar clearly has so much success that I'm worried that they feel validated to act toxic, like they're convinced it's the secret ingredient to their success... :/
Looks like it's because of pay
Vultures from London? Making billions off him?
Maybe it the people that make the games had something more to do with the success of said games than him...
They dont know the industry, not everyone is Mark Meer/Jennifer Hale, if they were gaming entusiasts they would know how this works, they dont expect .
Althought, Rockstar should try to keep their VAs happy, again, like Bioware with the Mass Effect cast, even if they arent paid that much, its heartwarming when a VA talks proudly of a franchise where he worked.
Rockstar VAs seem to skew in two very different directions
the cast of the red dead redemption series and GTA V have nothing but good things to say
but Niko's VA and now Maylay have lambasted them
the cast of the red dead redemption series and GTA V have nothing but good things to say
but Niko's VA and now Maylay have lambasted them
They did...they did sign a contract for the amount they found acceptable at the time.
They want more now because the game made millions. But I don't think it was because of them, or that they deserve more money because of it
'dumb' isn't the word for this. imagine how friggin' delighted this guy was back then when notified he got the job. it's not like rockstar put a gun to his head or anything. he accepted their offer, & signed a contract. the end...
Wow lmao I did not know that, but I guess basically the same thing the witcher author did.
Wonder how much money the developers made percentage wise compared to the money made lol. Seriously, yall need to see how little everyone on the bottom level makes.
And yet if you want to keep using a song for a rerelease you typically have to pay for it. Why should this not be true for VAs....or anybody else for that matter?
that depends entirely on the original contract signed for the song rights...
10% of billions is mad money for a role, dude is straight up tripping
Looks like it's because of pay
Exactly.
It may suck in the perspective of "well the game sells a ton why not share?!"; but the reality is that the contract already stipulated it.
If they wanted more; that clause should've been there before signing...and Rockstar would've passed on to the next actor that signed said contract without any additional clauses.
My point is merely that it's not unheard of or abnormal. Royalties in other mediums is also common. Gaming seems particularly shitty when it comes to giving people their fair share.