Damn.
"We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be"
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Glenn Greenwald resigns from The Intercept
- Thread starter Mezentine
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Damn.
"We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be"
Long story short, he's run interference on every bit of news about Trump corruption (particularly related to Russia, but not exclusively) since Trump won.
Yeah, he deserves vitriol.
Sounded like one doesnt mean you are one, but he unequivocally carried the water for them during the lead up to and in the aftermath of 2016. Up to Today.
Including unironically acting as a guest of honor at an RT panel on fake news where he spent the entire time, at an RT panel on fake news, decrying US journalism And the US intelligence community. Again, at a panel hosted by RT, where he spent all of his time focusing on American intelligence and supposed news censorship.
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I love that some people are tut tutting this response as unprofessional (on Twitter) . It sounds more like The Intercept knows Greenwald will form his own unfiltered Alex Jones like venture and decided to let it be known to the world the hack he's become. The letter will stick like stink to his credibility.
Greenwald is the kind of person who is so ego-centric that he will go anywhere that will give him praise regardless of the source. Hence why he shows up on Fucker Carlson's White Power Hour, why he goes on Joe Rogan's show, etc. It makes him worthless as a journalist because he cares more about being agreed with than he does about the truth, and it's led him down a spiral of taking increasingly insane positions he refuses to ever back down from.
He's not a Russian agent because he will do that shit for free to serve his own ego.
He's been harmful and is trying to be even more harmful now with his nonsense. I'm glad he resigned and he can fuck off. I don't think him principled or honorable. Just a selfish contrarian.
He published the article: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored
I recommend reading it. I'm glad I did.
I recommend reading it. I'm glad I did.
Glenn Greenwald is a cautionary tale what happens when you oppose US imperialism so much you'll support anyone who's even remotely against it(or appears to be)
Two paragraphs in and my eyes are already rolling out of their socketsGreenwald said:
His tone is a little bit more conspiratorial and combative than I'd like but he lays out some good points that are incontrovertible.
For example, you see many posts in this thread calling the laptop stuff "Russian disinformation" despite the fact that multiple investigative parties have said that there is literally zero evidence of this.
Greenwald has some well-founded criticisms of the national security state and DC establishment (I share many of them), but it's been clear to me for several years that being anti-establishment is the center of his whole worldview, so to the extent that they are against Trump, he ends up defending Trump.
But in the last year or so he seems to have gone beyond even that to parroting what even he should be able to identify as obvious misinformation.
Uh huh....so you're saying Hunter Biden is never going to be President?
Glenn bags another big game!
Except Rudy has been working with a known Russian source on his investigation and this material had been floating around the Ukraine for nearly two years only to magically appear in a laptop that has a completely preposterous explanation.
man.
lots of people recognized Greenwald's collapse for a while now, though I know he had a lot of defenders around here that tried to fight it. Clearly The Intercept itself saw his spiral too.
But trying to help legitimize Trump's Hunter Biden bullshit should pretty much tell you all you need to know about what he is now (and what his defenders are all about)
I believe the truth is important and thus far we have no evidence to believe that the laptop is Russian disinformation. No one in Biden's camp has ever claimed the emails and texts aren't real. Both of those factual statements lead me to believe we should be okay with raising questions about the information laid out in the leaked material. If those questions lead to nothingburgers, that's fine. But we shouldn't be afraid of having the questions asked.
Biden never denied his son eating children either... we better start asking that question too
You could have just posted "I'm just asking questions" and saved us all some time.
What are the questions you want raised from the leaked emails and photos?
If you're not going to engage seriously with my posts why even bother asking me to elaborate in the first place?
That's what the article is in a nutshell. Complete waste of a read imo. Could care less about Greenwald's transparent attempts to JAQ off this story.
yeah this is definitely an announcement of the kind of content he wants to pivot to creating. accusatory hearsay based on little to no facts in order to service a consistently and insatiable crowd of lemmings
the blind following the blind
He tweeted the emails he was sent "censoring" him, and I don't think this helps his case at all. This reads like completely benign criticism of an overheated article.
Your elaboration is basically it's almost certainly bullshit but we should talk about it ad nauseum like it's not anyway
As soon as the Biden campaign directly responds to any of it regardless of the answer, it will be used against them. If it's not real and they can't produce anything significantly damming, the best course of action is not to give it power. Seems pretty obvious.
Do you believe the laptop is Russian disinformation? If so, what leads you to this belief other than a gut feeling?
What do you think disinformation means? It's very clearly information that Russian sources are filtering through Rudy who is attempting to pass off through sympathetic outlets.
I don't care if it is or not.
Because it's a nothing story spread by fascists working for Trump?
Yeah, but that's not really a gotcha moment is it? The basic assumption is that since everyone agrees that there is an active disinformation campaign regarding Russia that this kinda gets dumped into the pile. Which is lazy journalism that's been a mainstay this election cycle (back to the Trump Pee tape!) but doesn't prove that there's a conspiracy to discount the story. Just that the US has a hard-on for making Russia the boogeyman. Which I mean, America?
Glenn Greenwald said:
Who can be shocked someone who wrote this (and these are just excerpts, the whole thing is fucking long) would end up caping for white nationalists and a wannabe fascist.
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You know I was about a third of the way into doing a chunk by chunk breakdown of this piece, but its too long, so I'll just say: when your opening thousand words state, essentially, that Biden isn't corrupt, that all the attempts to corrupt him failed, and that no actual misconduct or financial malfeasance took place, you're not standing on the sturdiest of ground for your "biggest story of the election" claim
It's not. It's does get disseminated by Russian troll farms, right-wing clowns, and chapo degenerates though. Some of the leaked personal content was shopped around in Ukraine last year. Rudy and his ilk went for it.
Now that's settled. What are the questions you want raised from the leaked emails and photos?
And should Ilhan Omar respond to every right-wing nonsense aimed at her? As you said "If those questions lead to nothingburgers, that's fine. But we shouldn't be afraid of having the questions asked", correct?
I'd be happy this fuckface has left but he's just gonna start a patreon and as shown on this page, likely have sadsacks supporting his fucking delusions.
The "biggest story" to him is how he perceives the media as killing a story presented as a charge with no credibility. Tells you all you really need to know.
Gotta get in on that grift money.
I dont think you understand what disinformation is. It doesn't have to be proven to be originated by shady Russian backroom plotting to be used as such. However, 50 intelligence agents have signed a letter saying this story has all the hallmarks and redflags.
Whether this has tentacles into the GRU, time will tell, but we already know they are attempting to coordinate and signal boost messaging on this and so far there is zero information that corroborates the allegations this shop owner has made. Yet for some reason Greenwald is passionately calling justified skepticism and smart editorial restraint to not signal boost allegations hat have not been independently verified as censorship.
I feel like we'll be seeing The Intercept and other journalists push back hard against this part about how to establish "high levels of confidence in the materials:
On that subject it seems that:
On that subject it seems that:
- Journalists have not gotten access to the actual files themselves, nor the hardware the files are stored on, so their validity can't be independently confirmed that way
- No technology specialists have examined the files or the hardware
- Non-public facts may confirm that the documents are real; however, none are introduced in the article
- The word of Bobolinski vouching for the email chains he was on
- That the pictures of Hunter seem real, with Glenn asserting "their authenticity is not in doubt"
- That Biden hasn't denied the materials
I don't care about the photos at all. I don't think anyone does. Regarding the texts and emails, I think it's fair to ask the question of whether connections to Joe were used as a bargaining chip by the Biden family in dealings with foreign countries. And if so, how much did Joe know about it or was involved in it? I think those are fair questions to ask.
my 4000-word resignation letter is proof positive i do not require editors anymore
Exclusive: Alleged Hunter Biden Emails Circulated in Ukraine as Rudy Giuliani Dug for Dirt There Last Year
Giuliani claimed he obtained Hunter Biden's emails from a broken laptop in Delaware