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Game of Thrones S8, Apr 14-May 19 @9PM EDT |OT| Aunt-Man and the Frost
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He is such a visual delight to imagine in the books. How they adapted him to a one-note villain for the show is beyond me. What a waste. Second only to Dawn just being a regular-ass sword.
Yeah, I was pretty disappointed, thought it was very anticlimactic.
Still excited for the last 3 tho
Still excited for the last 3 tho
Decimating an army of that size is a wet fart? The WW wiped out several cultures and houses on their way to Winterfell and then wiped out even more once they arrived.
Well there is atleast one more battle. I think Missandei might be Hand of the Queen if Dany wins. Etc.
You learned where the White Walkers came from. You saw where they basically "live". You saw their historic impact on Westeros, and you saw them come into several major conflicts with principal characters. Did you also want the Night King to monologue about his family and his hatred for the World of Man?
Standard Military planning would've seen The Unsullied push out to meet the Dead at a midpoint in the battle, with the Trebs behind the rear lines, and the Dothraki waiting in the wings to sweep the mid or rear of the dead once the two fronts were engaged. The reason this didn't happen wasn't because they decided to use the Dothraki as Vanguard and Jon/Dany as Cavalry. The reason it didn't happen is because, for whatever reason, the show just doesn't put much into actual medieval tactics.
Remember that Jon and Dany were never supposed to enter the main battle at all. They were supposed to gank NK when he revealed himself. So if Dany doesn't freak out and join the battle forcing Jon to support her, Then the Dothraki just run out and die with the Unsullied holding a severely pushed back line that's set up behind their own Trebs for some reason. It was incredbly tactically unsound and not at all suited for an advance.
I don't understand why the Night King didn't have his top guys throwing ice lances at the dragons while they rode around lost in the blizzard.
Literally replace white walkers or night king with any type of character in any show and see how silly of an argument this is. Knowing the motivations and characters of threats our protagonists face is an incredibly important part of building real drama we care about rather than just eye candy spectacle.
Well, to be fair I think a lot of folks predicted that Melessandra would return for the final fight against the white walkers. I thought that would happen. I just didn't expect this episode to be that final fight, you know?
Thanks for writing this. I'm still reading through the thread (100+ pages since the start of the episode, WOW) but the number of folks that didn't catch any of that was wild to me.
Hey, can you name a SINGLE thing that gives you this idea?
Exactly.
They're not really angry at that. The gif with the toilet flushing is what they're really angry at. Their pet theories are all down the drain.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-wi...e-of-thrones-books-end-60-minutes-2019-04-15/
April 15th interview with George:
"I don't think Dan and Dave's ending is going to be that different from my ending," says author George R.R. Martin about the HBO series moving beyond his books
April 15th interview with George:
"I don't think Dan and Dave's ending is going to be that different from my ending," says author George R.R. Martin about the HBO series moving beyond his books
this is why everything else was so dark so they could spend the money these shots :pSomeone needs a wallpaper.
Remember we are getting 3 more episodes and another big battle. Some people act like this is it, Tyrion will also serve his purpose methinks, him complaining about not being "up there" with the rest tells me he wants to play a bigger role in the battle for King's Landing. Y'all will have your dead characters you're clamoring for don't worry =P
While I agree that the Dothraki charge definitely could've been handled better and not that agressively stupid (even though that's kinda their thing) what else would you have the Unsullied do differently? This is a serious question as I'm interested in hearing other tactics. Being a living shield is their whole shtick, could their role be more "graceful"? Yeah sure why not, although almost everyone except the main characters got their ass brutally handed to them.
Kinda surprised to see this sentiment in the last few hours, the Dothraki and Unsullied are my favorite type of characters in the whole series (together with my g's Jaqen H'ghar and Ser Barristan) and I didn't have this feeling at all.
While I agree that the Dothraki charge definitely could've been handled better and not that agressively stupid (even though that's kinda their thing) what else would you have the Unsullied do differently? This is a serious question as I'm interested in hearing other tactics. Being a living shield is their whole shtick, could their role be more "graceful"? Yeah sure why not, although almost everyone except the main characters got their ass brutally handed to them.
Kinda surprised to see this sentiment in the last few hours, the Dothraki and Unsullied are my favorite type of characters in the whole series (together with my g's Jaqen H'ghar and Ser Barristan) and I didn't have this feeling at all.
The irony is that as beautiful as that is, the dragons-in-fog sequences were among my most irritating. Wasn't really tense; just annoying. "I can't see shit".Someone needs a wallpaper.
This very nice still only serves to remind me of that.
Can you point out where? I honestly don't remember any hints that they were immune to dragonfire.
They were way higher up than they were in beyond the wall.
They were shown at several points to literally put out fires, even magical ones by proximity alone. It was a nice hope to think it'd be as easy as stopping them with dragonfire or even regular fire like the wights. But seems their literally only weakness is the specific metal that created them in the first place.
The dothraki charge made sense, that's their strength. Charging into darkness was just bad writing when one of the dragons could have set the forest on fire or laid down a line of dragonfire so they'd at least know where they were charging. But they wanted that admittedly neat moment where all the little flames blinked out.
It didn't come out of nowhere at least. We've seen several times that the NK and his generals snuff out flames just by being near them. It's part of their power, for the show at least. Like the showrunners said on the inside the episode bit after the show, they had no reason to think that dragonfire might not work (being much stronger than normal fire), but no reason to expect that it would.
It didn't come out of nowhere at least. We've seen several times that the NK and his generals snuff out flames just by being near them. It's part of their power, for the show at least. Like the showrunners said on the inside the episode bit after the show, they had no reason to think that dragonfire might not work (being much stronger than normal fire), but no reason to expect that it would.
While of course you are allowed to criticize, saying shit like this makes you come of as elitist: "Look at me I've read the books and I am more of a fan than you, my opinion matters more" is basically what you are saying and that doesn't help your argument at all.
lmao, you are being so childish. there is not an ounce of logic in what you just said.
Jon can't make it to the weirwood tree "but that's impossible! he's the main character! that's what his arc was about!" meanwhile the show has been subverting prophecy since the beginning.
i don't mean to be so insulting but this is absolutely ridiculous.
The Sansa scene actually makes me angry. Like, when she pulled out the knife and the dramatic music swelled I got genuinely emotional thinking she was about to sacrifice herself for her people, an end to her character that would have been totally unexpected and surprising. And then literally nothing happens, nobody important dies, and Sansa isn't seen again until the end when she's perfectly fine.
thank you
idk how anyone can argue that is was even remotely sensible to charge in all their light cav to die and have their artillery in front of all their infantry, at least from a strategic standpoint
I get the show doesn't need perfect tactics. but last night made all the commanders gathered there (jon/jorah/jaime) just look dumb
The ending (e.g. who wins the throne) probably won't.
The journey towards it will.
i'm just saying I waited years for what this season represents and now feel super deflated
my opinion doesn't matter more or less than anyone else's. it's just context for why I feel the way I do.
You can try as hard as you want, it's cheap and stupid writing when the greatest army in the world on the open field gets obliterated in seconds while fat Sam and one handed Jamie survive hordes of the same enemies.
The tactic was stupid, their sudden death was stupid, D&D are frauds as simple as that
1) Bronn will either appear out of nowhere and betray Jaime/Tyrion or he will just waltz through the front gates and tell them what Cersei tried to have him do. That is my prediction lol
2) Not a clue. I have no prediction on that. Varys is so all over the place storyline wise that he could die in alot of unexpected ways.
3) Do we even know who pushed Bran in the first place? lol
4) I think he "cares" in his own way. I think he is aiming for the best outcome, but the best outcome may not be the one we expect.
5) I would like to think that is still meaningful, but at this point who knows. The show has shown a few times now that it pays attention to some predictions and not others.
My only complaint on the execution of the episode kind of involves this. I feel like the battle had a lot of points in it that elongated the over all sequence without much point to it. Seems like they just stretched it out so they could do all the "Longest battle ever!" marketing.
Only thing that makes it fine though is because they had like 20 characters to jump around to, which helped give tons of diversity of locations, but at the same time made the battle pacing a little off.
whole scene was really weird. there was some good tension with sansa and tyrion, then they decide to do... something, and then... nothing. ok?
You mean the entire arc where she become mini wolverine lol.
Yeah that's fine. But it doesn't explain why the dragons didn't take to the field EARLIER. If the moment the undead wave approached, the dragons took to flight to raze them and later got caught in the blizzard and getting fucked over, forcing the Dothraki to march, then OK.
But them waiting for the Dothraki to pointlessly die was stupid.
Yeah, sure. But then why would he die to Valyrian steel, which is steel forged in dragonfire? Kinda sketchy but oh well.
"Visual" delight is right. ;) Call me shallow but when book-Euron looks like this....
Euron's attractiveness and charisma is what makes him so successful and powerful too, so it's not just shallowness on my part :P But show-Euron is just a goofy, insipid meathead. Ugh.
The issue is Game of Thrones up until the last few seasons has always sort of run by a different set of rules, it has always been far more grounded and realistic which has always been such a breath of fresh air in comparison to other fantasy shows/movies, in a sense it was the ant-ithesis to Star Wars or LOTR. So to see Brienne, Jamie, Samwell Tarly (lol crying underneath zombies mid battle lol), etc.. as the only guys standing in a heroic last stand battle as secondary characters with less fan fare getting killed and "red shirts" get slaughtered and all the "heroes" and fan favorite characters are repeatedly being shown killing hordes of zombies and saving each other feels far more like Star Wars or Lord of the rings than what Game of Thrones was.
Quite frankly this is the issue that people have, I don't think the quality was bad, its just that GoT is so used to surprising and pleasing its audience by going against most modern day fantasy movie tropes that to see it follow all of those tropes to a fucking tee was a bit infuriating.
But for me the fact that GoT typically hasnt followed those tropes in the past meant at any point any of these people could die last night, There were times I legitimately thought Arya, Sansa, Tyrion, Khaleesi, Jon Snow, were all actually going to die because GoT has built a world where killing big time fan favorite characters was an actual legitimate outcome.
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I think the main issue for me is showing the battle as such a huge onslaught, yet miraculously all the named characters survive while more experienced soldiers die by the droves.
Nothing states that only a Targaryen can ride a dragon either.
Also, NK controls the dead. Therefore he can control/ride his dead dragon.
grrm gave 4 diffrent answers that contradict eachother in his 60 minutes interview.
Someone commented in the asoiaf forums: Bran's explanation in ep2 is poor. The whole world has no idea about what is happening in the north of Westeros, and none of the know about the damn TER, yet we're supposed to think that killing the TER would be a major loss for the world, the guy who never says anything to anyone and is just stuck in a tree in the far north of westeros.
It would have made more sense for the NK to destroy the Citadel or some such, if it had been shown as a great center of wisdom. The TER is nobody, never did anything useful for the world.
It would have made more sense for the NK to destroy the Citadel or some such, if it had been shown as a great center of wisdom. The TER is nobody, never did anything useful for the world.
it says more about the living and their willingness to fight even when the odds are against them... how the white walkers react is open to interpretation, but it's obvious that the NK thought he had winterfell in the bag and he was going to finally kill the 3ER.
I mean that they overall liked the episode, but had a few nitpicks here and there. That to me is mixed. But I am also in the "fucking loved every minute of it" camp though so to me 8.5 is still too low lol
What?
How?
Jon, Dany, Jorah, Tormund, the Hound, Gendry, Sam, Edd and Beric all have first-hand experience with the Wights and their numbers and most of the other characters have at least some experience with a Wight. Hardhome had them behaving like the exact same 'tidal wave' that they were at Winterfell, and the same thing happened again with the excursion beyond the wall. There was literally no reason to believe that the 'fearless army of the dead' would suddenly start acting like a fearful army of the living.
There's also the fact that Bran literally has the power to get a birds-eye view of the battlefield. Why the hell would you send hundreds of your men to scout the battlefield out when you have someone like that to help?
Also my issue isn't that the Dothraki charged, it's that they charged in the most meaningless and idiotic way imaginable. Trying to reduce them to human versions of Bullet Bills from Super Mario is a really bad excuse.
That person implied that Dany's contact with the Dothraki had reduced her tactics to "just rush 'em lol". No matter her tactical ability that just doesn't make any sense and it's a really weird way to look at it in my eyes.
I'm guessing many of you saw this already?
It's super interesting in giving explanations about the narrative choices of the episode.
I really feel for all the people that are enraged and disappointed with the show, but I personally still really enjoy it. As soon as this season ends, I'm gonna restart the show and rewatch everything. There are so many things I don't remember since the first season in 2011.
It's super interesting in giving explanations about the narrative choices of the episode.
I really feel for all the people that are enraged and disappointed with the show, but I personally still really enjoy it. As soon as this season ends, I'm gonna restart the show and rewatch everything. There are so many things I don't remember since the first season in 2011.
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