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Fortnite streamer MrDeadMoth physically abuses SO on live stream (UP: Charged)
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Ultimately what is the purpose of analyzing her actions in this? Like why is telling us "she is no saint", or something similar, an important topic of discussion in relation to spousal abuse?
User Banned (1 Week): Victim Blaming
To be fair, they're both awful. It's the kid(s) who ultimately suffers.
You are literally victim blaming her. You are literally saying that she's the reason this happened.
You're openly saying that her throwing a cardboard box at him is what led to this "situation", as if she were responsible for making her hit her twice.
But, yeah. "Just asking questions" and "What's so wrong with Destiny?".
So transparent.
Counterpoint. There is literally nothing a woman pregnant with my child could do to make me hit her short of her trying to harm my children or future child.
if someone were to say something as low effort as "she is no saint either" or something in that vain then I would agree with you that there not really adding much and are probably just muddying up the discussion if not even posting in bad faith. What I was asking initially was why is everything from the lowest effort post to genuine topics of discussion all being lumped together as victim blaming even wen preference as not being such, why are people comfortable wrapping the intent of someone else's words and then telling that person what they actually meant with there own words, because it honestly all comes off as people building up a boogie man to then knock down to feel good about themselves.
One of the things I dislike about ResetEra is that it feels like there's very little discussion on most topics. There's one accepted type of response, and people who don't post it simply get abused. There's no attempt to engage with other people, take their posts at face value, and actually attempt to change their mind or perspective. If you can't change people's minds then the world will never change.
Yes, there will be people who post disingenuously, but I don't think that's a good reason to throw all discourse in the 'too hard' or 'waste of time' basket. I'd consider myself a cynic, but even I think that that's taking cynicism a bit too far.
Yes, there will be people who post disingenuously, but I don't think that's a good reason to throw all discourse in the 'too hard' or 'waste of time' basket. I'd consider myself a cynic, but even I think that that's taking cynicism a bit too far.
I never said she's the reason this happened once nor did I imply that it was somehow her fault or even deserved, I never even mentioned the cardboard box in any one of my posts. But yeah I'm the transparent one. Your post is actually a great example of what I was asking, which was why do you feel comfortable manipulating and flat out lying about the things I said to suit your narrative to then "drag me".
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I'm not trying to thread whine but this shit should just be locked. There is zero discussion to be had. There is ZERO REASON TO EVER HIT A WOMEN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And if you think other wise or want to try to rationalize you need to be hit in the head with an ice pick and see what it's like to be hit.
Yeah the biggest bummer about ResetEra is that you can't justify dudes beating up their pregnant wives without getting banned.
Well until someone provides evidence of what the wife did that was so bad, anyone taking the opposing view point is an idiot. She yelled at him to stop playing games and threw a folded up cardboard box. There is nothing in this video that justifies what he did. Period.
Of all topics to make this complaint, this is the thread you chose
I hate to sound like one of those MRAs trying to weirdly justify hitting women, but yeah like self-defense is a thing. That's probably about it, though.
There have been some topics that I agree with what you are saying, but this definitely isn't one of them. There is no other side to this. He's a shit bag wife abuser. You don't hit someone in the face because they threw something at you, especially something as meaningless as cardboard. On top of that, as a man you don't hit women. This has been one of the most infuriating topics I've debated in quite a while because it is something so fucking basic that should just be the way it is with no debate. But nope, I was removed from the thread at GAF because a couple people, one in particular, insisted she be "put in place" and I tried to talk sense into them. But guess who was labeled as "sexist" and a "white knight" for believing a man shouldn't hit a woman? Guess which posters still gets to post in that thread spewing their 'but the man' nonsense? Speaks volumes of what a site stands for and against.
Sorry, needed to get that off my chest.
Hope the judge makes an example out of this punk.
I wouldn't put a lot of faith in the spouse following through with charges if she's already trying to get the AVO amended. The only "victim blaming" I think is fair is that she intends to go back to this POS. Hopefully the government takes the kids away if that is the case
I'd have to understand what you are talking about. My cursory glance at this thread shows me several folks make the type of low effort posts you are talking about. If your question is "why are people comfortable accusing others of victim blaming?" The answer is simply that we have, and have had, people on this site who literally do just that. They either see the abuse as ok, or are just trolling the community for a reaction. Certainly we have seen throughout social media that there are plenty of people who think violence against a women is completely fine or can be justified. Thus people are justifiable prone to see certain posts through that lense.
Beyond that, if you have a particular nuanced or meaningful discussion you want to have about spousal abuse, family life, etc., perhaps that is better left to creating a separate thread on the overall theme, rather than pursuing it in a thread that literally contains audio/video of someone being beaten in front of their child/children. As you can imagine most people are not going to be in state of mind to have a big discussion on what you want to talk about(I'm not sure what this is exactly) after watching the video unfold. Ultimately the wife's actions are meaningless in the face of what was recorded, so I'm not sure what kind of discussion people want to have.
But what other kind of response could there be on this particular thread? I mean the correct response is essentially "this guy is bad, don't beat women/your spouse". I'm not really grasping what else really needs to be said or discussed here?
I always wondered why people make dumb statements like this. So, if a woman comes at you with a knife, I guess her gender would outweigh your natural desire to live? Wow.
Is this really the thread where you want to discuss to nuances of when it's ok to assault women?
"She started it by throwing the box"
There's no equivalency there. If I was standing at a bus stop and some random dude threw a cardboard box at me, I would yell at him and probably throw the box back at him. I might prepare for a fight, but not necessarily expect it. If a random woman threw a cardboard box at me on the street, I would yell at her, but I don't think I could even bring myself to throw the box back at her, regardless of how angry I was.
This isn't a stranger, it's his pregnant partner, with children present. No decent human being would react by even throwing the box back.
"She's probably just as bad as he is" or "she probably hits him too"
If that was the case the police wouldn't have charged him and released her. It's clearly true that people in abusive relationships aren't exercising good judgement, but that's because they're brutalised and cut off from support networks. In this case she's also pregnant which means hormonal changes, commonly leading to mood swings. A partner of a pregnant woman would be well aware of that.
"It was self defence"
I don't think any rational human being thinks being called to dinner or having their heavily pregnant wife throw an empty box at them puts them in mortal or even physical danger.
"There are different standards for men and women"
Maybe that's true, but in this case, pregnancy aside, even if the genders were reversed I still think the woman involved would be the one getting charged.
There's no equivalency there. If I was standing at a bus stop and some random dude threw a cardboard box at me, I would yell at him and probably throw the box back at him. I might prepare for a fight, but not necessarily expect it. If a random woman threw a cardboard box at me on the street, I would yell at her, but I don't think I could even bring myself to throw the box back at her, regardless of how angry I was.
This isn't a stranger, it's his pregnant partner, with children present. No decent human being would react by even throwing the box back.
"She's probably just as bad as he is" or "she probably hits him too"
If that was the case the police wouldn't have charged him and released her. It's clearly true that people in abusive relationships aren't exercising good judgement, but that's because they're brutalised and cut off from support networks. In this case she's also pregnant which means hormonal changes, commonly leading to mood swings. A partner of a pregnant woman would be well aware of that.
"It was self defence"
I don't think any rational human being thinks being called to dinner or having their heavily pregnant wife throw an empty box at them puts them in mortal or even physical danger.
"There are different standards for men and women"
Maybe that's true, but in this case, pregnancy aside, even if the genders were reversed I still think the woman involved would be the one getting charged.
My response was in general, I was just reminded of it in this thread because I've stopped visiting nearly any non-gaming threads. I only posted in here because I read that article in the Sydney Morning Herald and figured there weren't many other people at Era who regularly read the Herald.
A frightening and prevalent exemple of what addiction is, like a medical course clinical picture.
I don't know if it's in the root of his violent and deranged behavior but it surely emphasizes it.
Hope she will get helped after that, must be hard for her with a child and a pregnancy in charge.
I don't know if it's in the root of his violent and deranged behavior but it surely emphasizes it.
Hope she will get helped after that, must be hard for her with a child and a pregnancy in charge.
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Wow, I hope she can get away from him permanently and be financially stable.
Also why am I not shocked that his fans continued to verbally attack her AFTER witnessing the assault..calling her a bad mother!??...like really??? What absolute scum.
CHARGE THEM BOTH!
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Seriously though, anyone who reads this and still wants to push "both sides" shit have some serious problems.
The presumption of innocence is a pretty strong foundation for most western systems. Until the judge drops that gavel, it is still an alleged crime. And news agencies will report as such in fear of libel I believe.
If your going to be outraged for something, I would direct you to the second quote I posted;
.....Gamers...
So depressing that they were quite fine for a while, but the Fortnite addiction kicked in. Hope the best for her and the kids moving forward, while he gets help and learns from it on top of serving some time.
I hope she gets some financial support. As a pregnant mother you don't need financial worries on top of everything else, and from the audio on the stream and her letter to the court it sounds like DrDeadShit was supporting her financially.
She was pregnant?!
It's bad either way, but damn.
Edit: she was.
And she was 16 while he was 21 when they started dating. Loser.
It's bad either way, but damn.
Edit: she was.
And she was 16 while he was 21 when they started dating. Loser.
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As mentioned before, this is standard journalistic practice. Until proven in a court of law, news media will always state allegations of a crime without explicitly declaring that a crime occurred. Only a judge or jury can decide that part. It's not meant to cast shade or doubt on the victim's story.
If someone watches a video of a dude furiously beating his partner in a fit of gamer rage and their go-to response is to put on their Sherlock Holmes hat and play detective, that kind of says it all.
Yes, there should be no debate on 'domestic abuse bad'.
Some things are not worth discussing. What value would this thread gain if ResetEra allowed posts like "the wife started it so it's her fault, change my mind" and "both sides are equally terrible"? Do you think such posters would change their hateful views from this thread alone?
and i've always wondered why people make dumb statements like this
not every online communication needs to be written in legalese, congratulations on finding a counterexample demonstrating that the word "any" was used as hyperbole to make a point
you know damn well what that poster meant, but you still chose to pretend to be a dumbass
Really sad stuff. Of course, if it wasn't for a game, it would have been something else eventually that would have brought out that side of him, but it always sucks when a family falls apart because of something trivial like a video game.
Because her not being a Saint or engaging in an heated argument with him is totally irrelevant to the fact he beated her while pregnant in front of his kids.
Bringing her actions to the table is giving a counterbalance to his actions, unwilling or not, "if she weren't mad at him, it would have not happened", "he responded to her actions", "she did some wrong too" and so on.
See.
Damn! Feel even more sorry to her and her kids. Not to mention the death threats she recievied is just plain awful to hear. Hope for the best for her and her children.
And hope the guy rots in jail!
What an immature asshole. Nice of him to put his audience before his own family.
I wake up hours earlier than I have to every morning so I can game while everyone is sleeping. My wife would be pissed at my too if I didn't spend my time at home after work with her and my daughters.
Bitch NO!, if you do I'll have no sympathy for you if this happens again. Get the Fuck Out!