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Predict the score.

  • 100

    Votes: 37 2.0%
  • 95-99

    Votes: 141 7.5%
  • 90-94

    Votes: 727 38.4%
  • 85-89

    Votes: 767 40.6%
  • 80-84

    Votes: 175 9.3%
  • 75-79

    Votes: 27 1.4%
  • <74

    Votes: 17 0.9%

  • Total voters
    1,891
  • Poll closed .

hydrophilic attack

Corrupted by Vengeance
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,568
Sweden
these scores seem to say that the final fantasy vii remake is good

but if final fantasy vii remake is bad anime, and if final fantasy remake is good, does that mean that bad anime is good?
 

leng jai

Member
Nov 2, 2017
15,131
The thing is 87 is a good score on paper but we've seen plenty of plenty of not so amazing games in that range too. Like every half decent AAA game is basically 80+, shit FFXV was a fiasco and a half at launch and is 83 on Xbox. I guess my real point is who the fuck cares what the media critic aggregate is, that metric is almost useless to me thewe days.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,380
Midgar, With Love
Yes, if you multiply the chapters by the number of games, it is a multiple of prior games. Alternatively, you can divide them by the number of games and get the number of chapters. Therefore it is both multiplicative and divisive.

This is like the long-lost script for Xenogears Episode VI or something
 

Sedef122

Member
Nov 7, 2017
391
So you switch character stagger and then switch again, that's all there is to it. They're both incredibly easy games.

Still wrong, champ, try again. The game is not easy unless you prepare. Particular enemies and bosses will need particular materia load outs or weapons that have better magic attack than physical. You have to think alot more with this game, hell the fact you have to think at all is better than XVs repetive combat. The demo really did not highlight the best points of the battle system.
 

FlintSpace

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,817
Obv just spitballing since I haven't played the remake (and probably won't), but this is probably the result of trying to stretch the Midgar section of FFVII into a full game. I assume some of the additions are hit and miss, and to be honest the story was not the strongest part of the game to begin with for me (I loved the materia system and all the absolutely bizarre subquests and minigames).
I voiced the same fear in era back when the first trailer dropped and people advised me that the story was infact more relevant than ever before because it focuses on Environment, without spoiling much.

These over-explained stories made sense back in 1867 when original came out but I had hoped the modern remake would handle it...more modernly. Guess people upset about these being a two parter were right. Of course I haven't played it either.
 

Y2Kev

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,937
This is like the long-lost script for Xenogears Episode VI or something
It is at once multiplicative and divisive. For, you see, public consensus does not match critical consensus but instead matches that of the board. Therefore the "L A M B S" actually have many of the same concerns...they are at once whole and incomplete, at once padded and content starved, the textures are loaded in at once and not at all...
 

ZeoVGM

Member
Oct 25, 2017
76,283
Providence, RI
You know I am not just looking at a score. I actually reading reviews and also looking at what people who have the game are saying

Many reviews like it but I see plenty of people let down too. You don't need to all quote me and form a defense force when I didn't even say something wrong about the game

There is no defense force. You said something factually wrong.
 

Jencks

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,476
The talk of the ending being Kingdom Hearts-esque is worrying but somehow not surprising
 

jaymzi

Member
Jul 22, 2019
6,574
Reviews ain't divisive, but the discourse around the changes to the story will definitely be once more and more finish the game.
 

MillionIII

Banned
Sep 11, 2018
6,816
Still wrong, champ, try again. The game is not easy unless you prepare. Particular enemies and bosses will need particular materia load outs or weapons that have better magic attack than physical. You have to think alot more with this game, hell the fact you have to think at all is better than XVs repetive combat. The demo really did not highlight the best points of the battle system.
They have to give you an incentive to do those filler side quests otherwise those upgrades would be useless, there is not much to think here between just switching characters.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,380
Midgar, With Love
It is at once multiplicative and divisive. For, you see, public consensus does not match critical consensus but instead matches that of the board. Therefore the "L A M B S" actually have many of the same concerns...they are at once whole and incomplete, at once padded and content starved, the textures are loaded in at once and not at all...

Here, I'll write the script for the protagonist's classic response.

Fei: "Huh???"

Now the game is complete.
 

janusff

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,199
Austin, TX
This is by no means any sort of staff communication, but my personal two cents on the matter is that it's generally best to wait long enough to examine overall audience reception to a piece of media first rather than rolling strictly on professional reviewer aggregates and making claims on those alone. We can safely say that many critics enjoy FFVII Remake, which is great! Let's also see where the chips fall in terms of Era's community, Reddit's community, so on, and so forth.

And it shouldn't have to be said, but ultimately what ought to matter first and foremost -- by a wide margin, methinks? -- is whether or not you enjoy it! There are films in the fifties on Metacritic that I really dig. Films that aren't even all that well-received in my social circles. IDGAF. :P
i'm afraid there's too much sense being made in this post. too much!
 

Skyebaron

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,416
these scores seem to say that the final fantasy vii remake is good

but if final fantasy vii remake is bad anime, and if final fantasy remake is good, does that mean that bad anime is good?
No, it just means that gameplay is king. Good stories are rare in videogames.


Anyways, im glad it scored well. I know the stupid plot twist but if the game is good, hey ill wait that year for the PC version.
 

AuthenticM

Son Altesse Sérénissime
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
30,381
Hard mode assumes you have a party of level 50 characters with maxed out materia and lots of weapon upgrades, as well as having previously fought and assessed (the skill) many of the enemies.

You cannot use items, in or out of battle, for any reason. You cannot recover MP except from random drops from boxes or the very, very, very slow tick up during battle (with the exception of Aerith who has one move that can steal ~4 MP). Every single character needs to have raise materia because you can't use Phoenix Downs. And then some bosses just upend even that tea table and have entirely new moves or fucked up changes to make it harder.

I can see the argument for something harder than normal, but FFVIIR's hard mode as it is would not be possible to complete from the jump.
damn, this is cool.
 

Lyre

Alt Account
Banned
Feb 12, 2020
2,996
London
I mean the whole 'multiple parts' thing was always going to bring the review score down to below what was expected, right?
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,760
I don't care for the score all that much but why is this thread titled to give the score information out there? Most review threads don't have the scores stated out. Wouldn't that be counter productive to the quality of the thread? ....I guess it's none of my business
 

ket

Member
Jul 27, 2018
13,105
Uncharted 4 has a 90+ metascore but I'd definitely call it the most divisive Uncharted game. Same with RDR2.
 

Plum

Member
May 31, 2018
17,328
This is by no means any sort of staff communication, but my personal two cents on the matter is that it's generally best to wait long enough to examine overall audience reception to a piece of media first rather than rolling strictly on professional reviewer aggregates and making claims on those alone. We can safely say that many critics enjoy FFVII Remake, which is great! Let's also see where the chips fall in terms of Era's community, Reddit's community, so on, and so forth.

And it shouldn't have to be said, but ultimately what ought to matter first and foremost -- by a wide margin, methinks? -- is whether or not you enjoy it! There are films in the fifties on Metacritic that I really dig. Films that aren't even all that well-received in my social circles. IDGAF. :P

This is definitely true. Critic reviews are great for determining a potential baseline of quality for a game, especially if you're onbut they simply can't take into account how the genera public will actually react. I'd say that's especially true here considering how most reviewers have prior nostalgia/experience with the game where literally millions of people won't. We'll just have to see, really.

Also the fact that, as Jason Schreier says, this is a "commentary on remakes," has the potential to create some pretty bad backlash, and that will be justified in much the same way the opinions of people who like that angle will be

One thing that people shouldn't try and do is start fights over this. The shit I've been called and implied to be simply because I didn't like The Last Jedi is absolutely disheartening, I'd hate to see the discourse surrounding this game get that bad.
 

DrROBschiz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,515
its a good thing this isnt even my favorite FF game

I think i will enjoy it more than most though man... it does raise my eyebrows that they took liberties with the story

I mean I kind of conditioned myself to expect. Its wasnt meant to be some secret but after the Compilation games and Advent Children I have very little faith that they could make changes that elevate the story instead of trashing it

SE's writing has kind of been shit tier for a long ass time
 

ZeoVGM

Member
Oct 25, 2017
76,283
Providence, RI
I see people down on the game who already have it and played it. So no it's not wrong reviews aren't the only people that matter

Every single game ever has people who don't like it.

That is not what 'divisive' means. We don't truly be able to tell if a game is divisive until it's been out for a bit.

di·vi·sive
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adjective
tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.
"the highly divisive issue of abortion"

VII is absolutely not at that point yet. XIII is an example of a divisive game. It's rare to have a conversation about XIII where people aren't arguing over it.
 

Christo750

Member
May 10, 2018
4,263
For someone with no prior affinity or nostalgic attachment to FF7, how would I like it for those who played? I played the demo and was really impressed, but these fetch quest things don't sound great. I don't mind the linearity so long as the music is good and the objectives are clear.
 

show me your skeleton

#1 Bugsnax Fan
Member
Oct 28, 2017
15,660
skeleton land
I am still gonna try it but that was me fear since day 1.
Why these stories gotta be filled with unnecessary dialogues and story exposition. There are better ways to do that and it surprises me good writers are behind these decision.

Though I still can't wait to play this. Would be my first FF.
kind has to be full of that stuff due to the nature of taking a part of a story and stretching it out to almost 10 times its original running length.

For someone with no prior affinity or nostalgic attachment to FF7, how would I like it for those who played? I played the demo and was really impressed, but these fetch quest things don't sound great. I don't mind the linearity so long as the music is good and the objectives are clear.
i'd just do a few of the quests and move on, i mean soon enough there will be a guide if you want to focus on the best rewards etc.
the objectives are definitely good and the soundtrack is top notch, though i feel lacking in aesthetic dynamics now it leans far more on cinematic orchestration than the original.
 

Horp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
3,716
Saw ACG review.
The textures on the environments man, yikkesss.

Anyway games seems like a proper FF so I'm happy for those that want that. Not my cup of tea but never expected it to be anyways.
 

Perfect Chaos

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,355
Charlottesville, VA, USA
This is by no means any sort of staff communication, but my personal two cents on the matter is that it's generally best to wait long enough to examine overall audience reception to a piece of media first rather than rolling strictly on professional reviewer aggregates and making claims on those alone. We can safely say that many critics enjoy FFVII Remake, which is great! Let's also see where the chips fall in terms of Era's community, Reddit's community, so on, and so forth.

And it shouldn't have to be said, but ultimately what ought to matter first and foremost -- by a wide margin, methinks? -- is whether or not you enjoy it! There are films in the fifties on Metacritic that I really dig. Films that aren't even all that well-received in my social circles. IDGAF. :P
ok but listen if the critics agree with me then that means i am very smart and have good tastes™ but if they dont then i have bad tastes :((

The way people can get so wrapped up in the media they consume that any assertion of faults is seen as a personal affront is completely insane, yeah.
 

FlintSpace

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,817
The thing is 87 is a good score on paper but we've seen plenty of plenty of not so amazing games in that range too. Like every half decent AAA game is basically 80+, shit FFXV was a fiasco and a half at launch and is 83 on Xbox. I guess my real point is who the fuck cares what the media critic aggregate is, that metric is almost useless to me thewe days.
No metric is useless. They are always a good indication in addition to our own preferences.
People dying on the MC score hill pisses me off lol

but yeah 87 is pretty damn good but not outstanding. We have got a lot of 90+ games recently.
 

GuEiMiRrIRoW

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,530
Brazil
87 is divisive for a remake of one of the greatest games of all time. Judging purely from a numbers perspective, if it doesn't score higher than or equal to the original then it's a disappointment for part of the fanbase. Let's put this into perspective, DQXi has a 91 on MC. A shallow mindset to have but some of us can't help it.

imagine ocarina of time remake with a 8.9 score. I really think it would start WW3.
 

Ocarina_117

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,621
Honestly, I think it might be fun to be a person who plays VII Remake first and then goes and plays the full original game.

Most of us here won't be able to experience that so I'm curious what it would be like.
I may actually try playing it this way around.

I'm predicting that lockdown in the UK will last a while longer so will try and play both back to back in a few weeks time.

The original has been released on the switch, right?
 

Jarmel

The Jackrabbit Always Wins
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,492
New York
So reviews did dock points for the ending after all. I'm kinda surprised, I thought they would ignore it or like the 'artsy' aspect of it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,760
Anyone done with resetera in general?


Yes and no. I'm over the petty argument but there are good threads here and there. Your personal mental fortitude and maturity are the only things that make or break this site for you. Looks like I have enough so I'm okay with the site, I'm just not okay with the people who contribute low grade responses and threads.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,380
Midgar, With Love
One thing that people shouldn't try and do is start fights over this. The shit I've been called and implied to be simply because I didn't like The Last Jedi is absolutely disheartening, I'd hate to see the discourse surrounding this game get that bad.

For sure. Even as someone who really likes that movie, it sucks that fandom discourse toward it is back

The way people can get so wrapped up in the media they consume that any assertion of faults is seen as a personal affront is completely insane, yeah.

It can certainly get pretty extra!
 

sir_crocodile

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,571
I voiced the same fear in era back when the first trailer dropped and people advised me that the story was infact more relevant than ever before because it focuses on Environment, without spoiling much.

These over-explained stories made sense back in 1867 when original came out but I had hoped the modern remake would handle it...more modernly. Guess people upset about these being a two parter were right. Of course I haven't played it either.

Yup. If you end up not liking the remake, do give the original a shot. It's quirky japanese weirdness at its 90s best.
 

MeltedDreams

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,019
I feel like I've said this far too many times over the past few months on Era but here we go again:

I legitimately can't tell if your post is a joke or not.

I don't think is a joke. In this forum there are people, who always try to convince themselves that games with score under 90 are not worth buying.