I agree that it has been an issue and I have seen some bad calls but calling what we saw today would have been the worst by far. I have in the recent past made posts specifically about how FIFA really needs to clarify what a handball is.
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FIFA Women's World Cup 2019 || 7 June – 7 July, France
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Yea... this has gotten waaaaay too deep for me. I personally don't care when someone takes shots at the USA because we have a helluva long longggg list of things to be ashamed of. I forget it's "YMMV" when it comes to things said about ones home country and how they react. Like the mod post says , it's uncalled for, no I am not being sarcastic or catty nor am I ok with such comments ( I'm not sure why that has to be spelled out so often in footy threads for some reason).
Except hip position, foot position, angle the ball is coming, ability to move the arm out of the way are all completely different. So, yeah, not even close to the same thing.
Kinda looks like the same thing? The arm is back like the US one.
A still picture taken out of context of where the ball is on the field, the players body position and the angle the ball is coming in at is not a great way to compare situations.
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if an arm is limp hanging down along the sides, there is not much more humanly possible to do aside then crossing your arms behind your back and walking like a penguin LOL
Handball calls are always touchy, I know. But there should be a degree of tolerance between 0 and 5 degrees
anything more than 10 degree and up is obviously a handball but when your arm is down nearly at 5 degrees, meh
Handball calls are always touchy, I know. But there should be a degree of tolerance between 0 and 5 degrees
anything more than 10 degree and up is obviously a handball but when your arm is down nearly at 5 degrees, meh
Not like the rap sheets for thousand year old European countries aren't as long as they are old.
There will be nothing stopping people from bringing up the revolution in the semis.
Kinda looks like the same thing? The arm is back like the US one.
Taking a freeze frame at similar points doesn't do justice to how different the two plays are in real time. Watch the real time movements and arm positions. The Japanese player has her arm held out sideways and not straight down. That can be interpreted as an unnatural arm position.
1) On the right the arm is out way further than it is on the left. "Natural silhouette" and all that.
Kinda looks like the same thing? The arm is back like the US one.
2) Different angles. If neither player had left arms it'd hit the defender's body but be a shot on goal on the right.
I am happy that Rapinoe scored 2 goals, she is putting her words where her mouth is.
Rapinoe 1, Trump 0
Rapinoe 1, Trump 0
Kinda looks like the same thing? The arm is back like the US one.
Yeah I'm confused - looks almost identical to the Japan Killer penalty. Close range in the box, blasted point blank at the defender, defender moving arm close to body out of the way.
How is one a penalty but one not? I agree it shouldn't be a handball but then Japan were fucking robbed
They been calling that BS handball all tourney, it's not deliberate and shouldn't be given, FIFA needs to adjust it's rules....
Kinda looks like the same thing? The arm is back like the US one.
I don't know anything about soccer but the two images are from different angles. Left the camera is directly behind the player and on the right it's hard to tell really how far the player's arm is out based off the angle.
Because it isn't identical. Watch video replay of both and you'll see that it isn't. The Japanese player has her arm extended away from her body before the ball hits it. The American player has her arm pointed down and pretty much parallel to her body before the ball hits hers. What you're seeing in this freeze frame capture is the natural swing of the American player's arm after the ball hits and assuming then that the two players had their arms at similar positions.
well they aren't identical. There is an argument the Japanese defender had her arm out from her body more - but the ball also hit her higher up compared to the French player. they were both blasted at them though. Its crazy inconsistent and hugely open to abuse by attackers in the box with no clear shot available - the 'get a penalty' equivalent of kicking a ball off a defender to try for a corner. But the punishment is much greater
That injury from Thailand really shook her up, it seem every match is a ticking injury bomb for them
Quoting myself.
2019 lowest possible finish is 4th place...
Wonder if there's a men team's with that level of dominance? too lazy to wiki...
That post is not indicative of the attitude of all Americans.
If it can be of any help:
Firendly banter is fine. Jokes about baguettes or snail or whatever are perfectly fair game. Actual factual criticism, in a serious discussion about WWII for instance, is also obviously fine. Hell, even jokes about WWII can be fine if they're somewhat specific (like joking about Germans coming through the Ardennes or the effectiveness of the Maginot line or something).
What's not fine is misrepresenting a single event, turning it into a generalization and using that to belittle a group of people with it. That's when it gets problematic, especially when people are 100% serious about it and couple it with racist shit like "cheese eating surrendering monkeys" (although that wasn't the case of the poster that got banned). Problem is, as I said, that this whole meme has its roots in France's opposition to the Iraq war and people were absolutely serious and racist about it at the time, so the whole meme does have its roots in racism.
Hope this explains a bit why people have problem with it.
Seriously though, it kicks ass that Rapinoe scored 2 goals against Spain, said "we're not going to the fucking White House," then scored 2 goals against France. That's a story I can get behind. Glad to have been wrong about the outcome of the match.
Also that "white flag" comment was over the line, don't do that shit.
Also that "white flag" comment was over the line, don't do that shit.
How is any of that racism? That's nationalistic bs sure, but French people are not a race. In fact, there are many "races" who are French.
It's the same damn situation. "Natural silhouette" is now the scapegoat for inconsistent refereeing. For the record, I wouldn't call any of these penalties, so rather than saying France was robbed, I think Japan was the one being wronged.
Kinda looks like the same thing? The arm is back like the US one.
Chill with the handball thing. It's a wonky rule that goes either way all the time and VAR isn't going to change the subjectivity of it from officials until the rules are very clear and precise.
Even though I was rooting for the USA, I feel bad for France. They were right there so many times and created some good looks against a really dominant team. Glad they had one really pretty goal, at least.
USA is looking more and more like a "grind out the win" team the further into the tourney they get. Actually, their overall performance timeline in the cup kind of mirrors how their individual matches go: start out explosive then grind their way through to the end. Winception.
Hope it holds up. I have a feeling the England match will be a fairly high-scoring one for both teams, whoever the victor.
USA is looking more and more like a "grind out the win" team the further into the tourney they get. Actually, their overall performance timeline in the cup kind of mirrors how their individual matches go: start out explosive then grind their way through to the end. Winception.
Hope it holds up. I have a feeling the England match will be a fairly high-scoring one for both teams, whoever the victor.
England is one of my teams, but you're a fool if you think that they haven't gotten off easy. Germany and Sweden is the next "look over here game".
The problem with the handball rule is that it will always be up to the referee's and VAR's interpertation, unless you want to go to the field hockey way and just make every time the ball touches a player's hand or arm a foul. It's the current situation or punish the player every time the ball touches their hand/arm, even if they only could have avoided it by not having any arms at all.
Brazil 1958 - 1970 won 3 out of the 4 WCs played.
Men's football doesn't really allow for the same level of long term domination though. Since the game achieved global popularity and professionalism decades before the first World Cup was played, rather than decades afterwards, there have always been a large number of countries capable of winning.
Not to take anything away from the USA, they invested and it paid off, but now that the game is expanding and becoming higher profile it's going to become exponentially harder for them to sustain the frankly ridiculous dominance they have achieved so far.
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Can't think of anything like that in the modern age. I just want the curse of the FIFA Champion to continue though.
Italy wins in 2006
Italy fails to make knock out stage in 2010
Spain wins in 2010
Spain fails to make knock out stage in 2014
Germany wins in 2014
Germany fails to make knock out stage in 2018
France wins in 2018
France fails to make knock out stage in 2022???
Maybe xenophobic is a better word? I dunno, there isn't really a word for hating someone based on their nationality as far as I know, so racism is kinda used as a catch all term for this sort of things.
Even though it might not have a name (or I just don't know what it is), it's definitely quite a common thing. This sort of nationality-based hatred and fear mongering was pretty common in Europe in the past for example, even though they were the same race:
Hell, it still exists today: See the anti-Polish sentiment amongst Brexit voters for instance.
What's it like to be a hypocritical crybaby?
USA WORLD WAR WINNERS BACK2BACK
Maybe xenophobic is a better word? I dunno, there isn't really a word for hating someone based on their nationality as far as I know, so racism is kinda used as a catch all term for this sort of things.
Even though it might not have a name (or I just don't know what it is), it's definitely quite a common thing. This sort of nationality-based hatred and fear mongering was pretty common in Europe in the past for example, even though they were the same race:
Hell, it still exists today: See the anti-Polish sentiment amongst Brexit voters for instance.
Yeah. That's called Nationalism. Nothing to do with race.
Racism is not a catch-all.Maybe xenophobic is a better word? I dunno, there isn't really a word for hating someone based on their nationality as far as I know, so racism is kinda used as a catch all term for this sort of things.
Even though it might not have a name (or I just don't know what it is), it's definitely quite a common thing. This sort of nationality-based hatred and fear mongering was pretty common in Europe in the past for example, even though they were the same race:
Hell, it still exists today: See the anti-Polish sentiment amongst Brexit voters for instance.
I've always seen nationalism used in a "my nation is better than the others" way rather than "fuck that one country in particular", but my bad if that was incorrect.
France wins in 1998
France fails to make knock out stage in 2002
Brazil dodged it in 2002/6, though.
I don't really agree. I've definitely seen some people have no strong feeling about their home countries (and in some cases wanting to move from them) but have an absolute hate boner against one country in particular for whatever reason.
A MAGA dumbass is not the same thing as someone who don't care about their home country but absolutely hate Sweden for inventing surströmming for example.
[Edit] Gonna stop here, I feel like like this is getting a bit too off topic. Apologies to other people in this thread.
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Still makes no sense. You do you, but you have some work to do on this. So in the meantime, how about we stop calling racism a thing in international play? ESPECIALLY when we're talking European teams.
The entire sport would turn into purposely kicking the ball at the defenders as hard as u can
more like certain teams do it but it's not most like the men's
No one had to sell the men's game, and they were diving all along. Guess it's ok, though, because the men's game is the standard.
