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Felicity |OT| The Final Arrow Episode as one final parting shot

Which was better Season 5 or 2?

  • Season 5

    Votes: 50 37.3%

  • Season 2

    Votes: 84 62.7%
  • Total voters
    134
Lotus

Lotus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Slayven let us vote on which is better between S5 and S2 :P

Violence Jack said:
Darkh just reminded me of too much goofy shit that almost made me drop Arrow (like Ollie's Spirit Bomb he used to beat him), but I thought he was a more fitting villain for Legends than Arrow also. Emiko's history and reasons for wanting to get back at the Queen family at least seemed more in line with the show's tone than Damien's magic stuff.
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Yea but her execution was terrible, and we've already had several evil archers that were much better

carlsojo said:
He had so much charisma and was so much fun being hilariously evil and charming.
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Yup, the plot was terrible, but he wasn't
 
Effect

Effect

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oliver isn't actually dead though right? He's still the Spectre and Spectre can't really be killed. Taken off the board maybe. I doubt the Monitor can actually go into the afterlife. He's never shown that kind of power before in the comics right? I took that scene as being a reality that Oliver created for himself and Felicity. Neither one are actually dead. Kinda maybe similar to the Paradise Dimension that Earth 2 Superman and his Lois end up in with Superboy Prime and Earth 3 Lex in COIE?

Still gives it some finality as Oliver has moved on. That door is still kinda open though I think but they'd be hard pressed to even justify bringing him back after this send off.
 
snackshack

snackshack

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Oct 30, 2017
875
However, if we're talking about the best overall season, maybe season 1? I think the ending is more satisfying than S2. That rooftop fight vs. Merlyn was very small and simple and I think that's how the finale should have mirrored S1. Instead, Crisis really cut into the final season. I think back to the Justified finale and it's still just Raylan gunslinging in Harlan.

I think my criticism of S5 is a lot of what Prometheus accomplices is obfuscated instead of being shown why he's 10 steps ahead. So you just have to take it on the writers word that he's that good. Josh Segarra was really great though.
 
Bing147

Bing147

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Jun 13, 2018
3,697
My final rankings of the seasons I think goes:

1. Season 2
2. Season 8
3. Season 1
4. Season 5
5. Season 7 (the first half carries it, the second half is pretty meh)
6. Season 6
7. Season 3
8. Season 4
 
GulAtiCa

GulAtiCa

Community Resettler
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,545
Season 5
Season 8
Season 2
Season 1
Season 7 (Prison Arc was awesome)
Season 6
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Season 4
Season 3
 
gundamkyoukai

gundamkyoukai

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Oct 25, 2017
21,150
For me it would be .
Season 5
Season 2
Season 8
Season 1
Season 7
Season 6
Season 3 and 4 just bad lol.

So i would say Arrow had more good and okay seasons than bad.
 
Darkmark1987

Darkmark1987

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Oct 26, 2017
322
Keep hearing this was a two hour finale. Did they mean a double ep, or does it include that documentary type ep that aired counted?
 
Lotus

Lotus

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Oct 25, 2017
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2 great seasons, two good, 3 bad, 1 godawful

Meh, this show is like the epitome of being more than the sum of its parts anyhow I suppose
 
Sargerus

Sargerus

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Oct 25, 2017
20,859
Of course the very last scene of the entire series is Olicity pandering ad infinitum.

Absolute trash.
 
PlanetSmasher

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Effect said:
Oliver isn't actually dead though right? He's still the Spectre and Spectre can't really be killed. Taken off the board maybe. I doubt the Monitor can actually go into the afterlife. He's never shown that kind of power before in the comics right? I took that scene as being a reality that Oliver created for himself and Felicity. Neither one are actually dead. Kinda maybe similar to the Paradise Dimension that Earth 2 Superman and his Lois end up in with Superboy Prime and Earth 3 Lex in COIE?

Still gives it some finality as Oliver has moved on. That door is still kinda open though I think but they'd be hard pressed to even justify bringing him back after this send off.
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Oliver said it himself. He's at peace now. The Spectre likely still exists but his physical form was killed and Oliver no longer sees a reason to manifest again. He's finished, essentially.
 
ManOfWar

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Lotus said:
2 great seasons, two good, 3 bad, 1 godawful

Meh, this show is like the epitome of being more than the sum of its parts anyhow I suppose
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The last episode made the contrast between the earlier, more grounded, seasons, with the goofy and the clutter of the later ones so stark.

For me, it started going downhill in season 4.
 
Wingfan19

Wingfan19

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Oct 25, 2017
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Still don't know how I feel about them bringing back Moira, Tommy, and Lance like that. Kinda cheapens the consequences of his actions as Green Arrow. Though the best scene was when Laurel was talking to Lance about how Oliver didn't bring back Earth 1 Laurel.
 
Effect

Effect

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Wingfan19 said:
Still don't know how I feel about them bringing back Moira, Tommy, and Lance like that. Kinda cheapens the consequences of his actions as Green Arrow. Though the best scene was when Laurel was talking to Lance about how Oliver didn't bring back Earth 1 Laurel.
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I'm okay with Quintin. Tommy's and Moria's deaths did change Oliver though. So if the belief that he couldn't or didn't bring back those whose's death changed him is right both of them should have stayed dead. Their deaths impacted him as much as his father's and even Earth 1 Laurel. Though I guess they could switch Tommy with Earth 1 Laurel and get the same result. That still leaves Moria as an issue. It's an issue though they don't have to worry about addressing anymore so I guess I won't think to much about it.
 
gundamkyoukai

gundamkyoukai

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wingfan19 said:
Still don't know how I feel about them bringing back Moira, Tommy, and Lance like that. Kinda cheapens the consequences of his actions as Green Arrow. Though the best scene was when Laurel was talking to Lance about how Oliver didn't bring back Earth 1 Laurel.
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Truth is Oliver with all that power and not bringing back any body would seem more out of character .
Man had a lot of regret that he was able to make right now that he could.
They said the spin off was a factor with Earth 1 Laurel if not for that i am sure they would bring her back also.

GulAtiCa said:
This is crackers.jpg taken a bit too far...
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Yep .

Lotus said:
I mean that's his wife, and she hasn't been seen the entire season lol, also we needed a payoff for the Monitor taking her away
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The ending would have most likely be like that if the showed end at season 7 so it make sense.
 
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Rellyrell28

Rellyrell28

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Oct 25, 2017
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Effect said:
I'm okay with Quintin. Tommy's and Moria's deaths did change Oliver though. So if the belief that he couldn't or didn't bring back those whose's death changed him is right both of them should have stayed dead. Their deaths impacted him as much as his father's and even Earth 1 Laurel. Though I guess they could switch Tommy with Earth 1 Laurel and get the same result. That still leaves Moria as an issue. It's an issue though they don't have to worry about addressing anymore so I guess I won't think to much about it.
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You talk about Moira's death effecting Ollie that death honestly effect Thea more and I'm now wondering how she got her training cause her death caused her to leave with Malcolm to train her so did she have any motivation to train with him or did she train with Ollie
 
gundamkyoukai

gundamkyoukai

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Rellyrell28 said:
You talk about Moira's death effecting Ollie that death honestly effect Thea more and I'm now wondering how she got her training cause her death caused her to leave with Malcolm to train her so did she have any motivation to train with him or did she train with Ollie
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I just toss her with group that got there pass time line skills and keep the same lol.
 

Casker

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's best not to think too much about the timeline changes because they clearly prioritized fanservice before proper continuity. Can't really blame them. As long as it doesn't fuck up anything in the other shows, Arrow's over anyways.
 
Antoo

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Violence Jack said:
Great:
Season 5
Season 2

Good:
Season 1
Season 8
Season 6

Mediocre:
Season 7

Bad:
Season 3
Season 4
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Dang, you liked season 6? I thought it was veering close to season 4 levels of bad. It still pisses me off that the first episode of that season ruins the season 5 finale.

I'd put S6 in bad and season 3 in mediocre.
 
Neoxon

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Deathstroke was fantastic, but so was Adrian Chase. He fucked with Oliver in every way imaginable, it was crazy. Plus it was a massive comeback for the show after Season 4.
 
Antoo

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Neoxon said:
Deathstroke was fantastic, but so was Adrian Chase. He fucked with Oliver in every way imaginable, it was crazy. Plus it was a massive comeback for the show after Season 4.
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Chase's goodbye ended up having no lasting impact, which hurts him as a villain in my mind. The final moment of season 5 ends up being quite anticlimactic. It's the same reason I couldn't take Merlyn seriously by the end: Merlyn became a fucking goober. Slade actually hit Oliver where it hurts.
 
Lotus

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Antoo said:
Chase's goodbye ended up having no lasting impact, which hurts him as a villain in my mind. The final moment of season 5 ends up being quite anticlimactic. It's the same reason I couldn't take Merlyn seriously by the end: Merlyn became a fucking goober. Slade actually hit Oliver where it hurts.
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Well he got his mom back too so meh
 
Antoo

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Lotus said:
Well he got his mom back too so meh
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True. It wasn't due to the villain's plan ultimately blowing up in his own face though. The man is a mastermind but couldn't figure out how to optimize where to place bombs on an island.

And yes, I know the mom died by Adrian but she's a nothing of a character and even then they disrespected the character by giving her the lousiest excuse for a death scene ever.

Yeah, I think the first episode of season 6 really broke me.
 
GulAtiCa

GulAtiCa

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Pretty sure William's mom is alive now. Felicity mentioned that "she gave William a GPS tracker when they went back to central city"
 
FalconSabre

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After eight seasons, it's going to be weird not tuning in for a new episode next week. Even with the legacy being carried on through the other shows, Arrow will still be my favorite of the bunch. While bittersweet, I couldn't have asked for a better ending to cap off one of my favorite all time shows.
 
PlanetSmasher

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GulAtiCa said:
Pretty sure William's mom is alive now. Felicity mentioned that "she gave William a GPS tracker when they went back to central city"
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Considering she said "stepmom", I'm pretty sure Felicity was talking about herself. I really don't think Samantha was anywhere near tech-savvy enough to do something with subdermal implants.
 
DragonSJG

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Mar 4, 2019
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Man, Olicity was one of the worst things to happen to this show. It ended up becoming so integral that Arrow become a soap opera and Felicity got waaay too much focus. Not to mention it shat all over Black Canary and made her a side character
 
Joni

Joni

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oliver wanted William to grow up with Felicity, so I don't think he imagined William's mom in his ideal world.
 

Tomasdk

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Apr 18, 2018
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I will really miss the show, after 8 years it became integrated into my life, it had an atmosphere none of the other arrowverse shows have. It will be hard for me to find a replacement for a while.
 
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ZeroX

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Oct 25, 2017
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S5 > S2. S2 might have more hype/tension, but the game plot falls apart in the last few episodes and most falls on Slade just being insane. Whereas every episode in S5 is great, there's consistency the whole time.

Also the last third of S6 is actually really good, from the Diggle fight onward it's really strong but the middle stretch is painful.
 
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