[Famitsu] Jim Ryan: No PS1-PS3 backwards compatibility

ascagnel · Sep 17, 2020

Doctor_Thomas said:
PS3 doesn't surprise me but, Jim, please I want to buy PS1 classics on the store for the PS5.

YaBish said:
Honestly this doesn't sound like such a shut door as I was expecting. "So, unfortunately, we couldn't reach the implementation of such compatibilities" to me reads as they're looking to find a way to profit off of it.

Still 99.9% sure it'll never happen.

Sony released a bunch of PS2 classics on the PS3 only through the PSN store.

Sony also released a bunch of these same PS2 classics on the PS4 (again, only through the PSN store), but you had to pay again.

Now that they're explicitly doing backwards compatibility, they'd better not charge for the same set of PS2 games a third (fourth, if you count their initial release) time.

PopcornMegaphone · Sep 17, 2020

platocplx said:
I may be the minority here but i honestly prefer remakes and remasters of older games. I get people wanting to play them in their purest form back in the day though and would be nice if they did a virtual console type thing like nintendo and make it a part of PS+ but full BC to that era is probally not worth it to sony sadly.

The BC stuff MS is doing on the One X makes many BC games look like remasters at no cost. The new Series X BC enhancements also look amazing. So for me, it's more "why not both".

Cyclonesweep · Sep 17, 2020

McScroggz said:
This seemed Pretty likely for a while, but on a technical level what hardware would need to be implemented if any to read PS1-PS3 game discs? I know that's not the only aspect of BC, but can the standard blu-ray optical drive read the data?

Xbox literally just reads the disc as a license and you download the entire game. The disc at that point is just proof of purchase if I remember right

Karlinel · Sep 17, 2020

Raide said:
This sounds more like "No BC until we can figure out the best way to monetize it."

Aaaaaand probably this is right on the money. I guess they could sell at least their own produced games, but probably the dozen or so people that'd buy Ape Escape wouldn't make it profitable.

Smartina · Sep 17, 2020

Shouldn't it be super easy for a system like the PS5 to emulate PS1 and PS2 titles? And given the hardware it should also be possible to run PS3 games. I have all the original consoles but would be just so much more convenient not to have six, seven consoles standing and lying around in the living room.

Ivanovic · Sep 17, 2020

Cyclonesweep said:
No one is interested in playing games like Final Fantasy Tactics, 7, 8, 9 Suikoden 2, Vagrant Story, Ape Escape, Castlevania SOTN, Parappa the Rapper, Silent Hill for the first the or replays? That's just off the top of my head for PS1

Very few clearly means no one.

4 Get! · Sep 17, 2020

Potential PS3/PS2/PS1 BC was literally the one and only thing holding me back from buying the disc-less version of the new console. Now that it's 100% confirmed from the top, I'll get to save 100 bucks and simply keep my PS3 around.

Cyclonesweep · Sep 17, 2020

ascagnel said:
Sony released a bunch of PS2 classics on the PS3 only through the PSN store.

Sony also released a bunch of these same PS2 classics on the PS4 (again, only through the PSN store), but you had to pay again.

Now that they're explicitly doing backwards compatibility, they'd better not charge for the same set of PS2 games a third (fourth, if you count their initial release) time.

Wait....you have to REBUY THEM? Seriously? That's....that's Nintendo like

RazieltheShifter · Sep 17, 2020

As a person who grow up with PS1, and have a lot of PSP and PS3 games, seeing Sony to ignore their legacy is just baffling.

They use nostalgia factor when it comes to selling new products like FFVII:R and RE2:R but they do nothing about actually supporting their retro catalogue and showing that they care about their legacy. Which is understandable from business standpoint, but with decisions like this PlayStation as a brand loses its nostalgia charm for their older costumers imo. Not all decisions shouldn't really made for if it is profitable in the near future or not. They should have showed they care what made PlayStation what it is today.

platocplx · Sep 17, 2020

Cyclonesweep said:
As an aside. I don't like full fledged remakes like FF7R, much rather stuff like Crash and Spyro that are essentially the exact same games just brought forward to this gen in a great looking and running way.

I think FF7 has so many versions that I think its a decent compromise to re-imagine the game a bit imo. You have tons of ways to play it now. so Remake works for me at least. But I def say some remasters def are a nice sweetspot

ascagnel · Sep 17, 2020

Cyclonesweep said:
Wait....you have to REBUY THEM? Seriously? That's....that's Nintendo like

Yup, I have two sets of the PS2 GTA games now (and yes, I hate myself for this).

Cyclonesweep · Sep 17, 2020

Ivanovic said:
Very few clearly means no one.

People aren't interested because they have no way to play them and the only ways to are often old consoles or piracy.

People are lining up en masse to play Super Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy. There is a want for old games if they are accessable.

zthan · Sep 17, 2020

I don't get this, my shitty 4 year old phone can run a PS1 emulator almost perfectly, but they can't get it on the new console? It just seems like an easy thing to do that would at least be useful for marketing.

Lowblood · Sep 17, 2020

Disc support was always a dream but I'm still surprised they don't support the digital PS1 games on the PS Store. That's even "monetizing" BC since you have to purchase them. I think some people speculated that the games would have to be re-licensed or re-rated or something to sell them on a "new" platform, so I guess the cost of that outweighs the potential profit in their eyes.

At any rate, it's clear now that the current iteration of Sony has no interest in this. Until the market forces them to change, or there's a significant shakeup in their personnel, don't assume we'll ever get anything like this. You can build a Retropie for around $90-100 and backup all your discs and play them there. That's what I've done, and hopefully in 3 or 4 years I'll be able to do the same with my PS2 collection on the next iteration of the Raspberry Pi.

Xpider_MX said:
Is this true?

PS5 vs Xbox Series X: How do they compare? - CBBC Newsround

Who will win the console war this Christmas? We take a look at the new Xbox and Playstation.

www.bbc.co.uk

Well, you're certainly not gonna run your PS4 discs on the PS5 Digital Edition. I'm sure digital PS4 games will work fine on it.

Strike · Sep 17, 2020

Well, there you go. Official conformation. Sucks, but maybe they'll change their tune down the line. Those old consoles and the digital storefronts for them won't be around forever.

Green · Sep 17, 2020

Ivanovic said:
And? As long as PS5 is BC with PS4, that's all that people care about. very few people are interested in replaying Metal Gear Solid 1 or Dead Space again on their PS5.

Yeah! Fuck old games! Who cares about using my new system to play my existing games leveraging the newfound power. Lame! Give me next gen exclusives that take full advantage of the PS5 like Spider-Man and Horizon! Oh wait...

It's baffling. Other than Nintendo, Sony EASILY has the best back library pre PS4. It would be HUGE. Why they just leave them long dead to every once in awhile make customers double and triple dip on them is poopy.

mute · Sep 17, 2020

Smartina said:
Shouldn't it be super easy for a system like the PS5 to emulate PS1 and PS2 titles? And given the hardware it should also be possible to run PS3 games. I have all the original consoles but would be just so more convenient not to have six, seven consoles standing and lying around in the living room.

Difficulty is not the issue.

mentallyinept · Sep 17, 2020

Sad, but expected.

ianpm31 · Sep 17, 2020

Expected. Just continue to provide good exclusives that's all I care about.

Lord Fanny · Sep 17, 2020

Jim Ryan kills the past

Cyclonesweep · Sep 17, 2020

ascagnel said:
Yup, I have two sets of the PS2 GTA games now (and yes, I hate myself for this).

Then you have Xbox...I bought the Xbox Live Arcade version of Castlevania SOTN right when it came out on 360. I just redownloaded it yesterday on my One X. The thought that I might have to rebuy it didn't even cross my mind.

Secretofmateria · Sep 17, 2020

Jim just keeps on digging

platocplx · Sep 17, 2020

PopcornMegaphone said:
The BC stuff MS is doing on the One X makes many BC games look like remasters at no cost. The new Series X BC enhancements also look amazing. So for me, it's more "why not both".

they invested a lot of money into that, but also their architecture was way less exotic than what sony had, until PS4 to PS5 devs had to start from square 1 developing vs now, prob one of the better things they did this time around was bring forward a lot of the stuff that was good with PS4.

Stoopkid · Sep 17, 2020

Ivanovic said:
And? As long as PS5 is BC with PS4, that's all that people care about. very few people are interested in replaying Metal Gear Solid 1 or Dead Space again on their PS5.

Yep. I can't believe people here actually think playing 20 year old games is a big deal.

get out the message board bubble people

DustyVonErich · Sep 17, 2020

If they put a healthy bulk of the PS1, 2, and 3 catalogs on PS Now for download? Bruh, they'd make bank AND please more of their fans. What's the hold up?

Dodgerfan74 · Sep 17, 2020

RockmanBN said:
Knew there wouldn't be any, but still fuck off.

+1

Sony's approach to BC over the past generation and change has been fucking awful.

zoodoo · Sep 17, 2020

NattyBo said:
Other than MGS4, what else is stranded on PS3 at this point?

You'd be surprised. Of course it depends on your taste but I recently started buying some cheap ps3 games and I realized my list just kept getting longer

Folklore
3D dot game hero
Majin and the forsaken kingdom
ICO (HD)
White Knight Chronicles 2 (which includes a remaster of 1)
Heavenly sword
Resistance trilogy
Killzone trilogy
El Shaddai
All the motostorm games
GoW collection
GoW origins
GoW Ascension

and so much more

smurfx · Sep 17, 2020

Ivanovic said:
And? As long as PS5 is BC with PS4, that's all that people care about. very few people are interested in replaying Metal Gear Solid 1 or Dead Space again on their PS5.

there's a bunch of people who still have a bunch of ps3 games in their libraries. why the hell not give them access to those games? there's also a lot of people that would like to play some of the ps3 games because they never had a ps3.

Giant Panda · Sep 17, 2020

I don't think Jim Ryan is a very good leader for Sony. Sony's 1st party devs continue to put Playstation on their backs but the business suits just keep making stupid decisions.

GlitchyDegree · Sep 17, 2020

NattyBo said:
Other than MGS4, what else is stranded on PS3 at this point?

Folklore
The Ratchet & Clank Future games
Infamous 1 & 2
Killzone 2 & 3
Resistance series
Puppeteer
Little Big Planet 1, 2 & Karting
Modnation Racers
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

And that's excluding 3rd party games & PS2 remaster collections.

Cyclonesweep · Sep 17, 2020

platocplx said:
they invested a lot of money into that, but also their architecture was way less exotic than what sony had, until PS4 to PS5 devs had to start from square 1 developing vs now, prob one of the better things they did this time around was bring forward a lot of the stuff that was good with PS4.

I can get that for PS3 but people can get a running PS1 emulator on a Pi3 outside of a few games. It's not honestly that hard.

werezompire · Sep 17, 2020

Honestly, a new retro-themed system with modern QoL that didn't have any new games but had full physical BC with PS1-3, along with a digital storefront full of games from those systems would excite me more than any of the new systems are doing.

Arex · Sep 17, 2020

I wish we could get at least PS3 BC, but I guess Cell processor is just too great :p

night814 · Sep 17, 2020

What about ps2 classics that were released on ps4? I imagine they should be ok

TheRealTalker · Sep 17, 2020

How he phrased it sounded like they took PS4 BC and other features as a priority.

Well then if that is the case, then just do PS1,2,3 BC at a later date now that your down with the above.

platocplx · Sep 17, 2020

Cyclonesweep said:
I can get that for PS3 but people can get a running PS1 emulator on a Pi3 outside of a few games. It's not honestly that hard.

for us yeah its not, but have you seen how people talk about BC around here and if its not close to 90% people will have a whole conniption lol.

Xpider_MX · Sep 17, 2020

Lowblood said:
Disc support was always a dream but I'm still surprised they don't support the digital PS1 games on the PS Store. That's even "monetizing" BC since you have to purchase them. I think some people speculated that the games would have to be re-licensed or re-rated or something to sell them on a "new" platform, so I guess the cost of that outweighs the potential profit in their eyes.

At any rate, it's clear now that the current iteration of Sony has no interest in this. Until the market forces them to change, or there's a significant shakeup in their personnel, don't assume we'll ever get anything like this. You can build a Retropie for around $90-100 and backup all your discs and play them there. That's what I've done, and hopefully in 3 or 4 years I'll be able to do the same with my PS2 collection on the next iteration of the Raspberry Pi.

Well, you're certainly not gonna run your PS4 discs on the PS5 Digital Edition. I'm sure digital PS4 games will work fine on it.

Yup, the way that article explain BC is weird

Muitnorts · Sep 17, 2020

It's not a surprise but it still sucks. I wish I could have just one PS console hooked up.

EinBear · Sep 17, 2020

I get that PS2 and 3 emulation might take more effort than it's worth, but you'd think they'd at least support PS1 games. They'd get some goodwill for supporting discs, and make some decent money when 99% of everyone else just buys them from the store.

sora87 · Sep 17, 2020

"Legacy smegacy" - Jim Ryan

FaffEra · Sep 17, 2020

A surprise to no one lol. Don't see why they can't bring back PS1 classics digitally at least.

BackwardsSuggestions said:
Why would people want to play old games that look terrible?
/s

You're joking but most ps360 games look terrible on even a 1080p 40" TV. Especially when the 720p internal resolution drops to maintain FPS.

Cyclonesweep · Sep 17, 2020

platocplx said:
for us yeah its not, but have you seen how people talk about BC around here and if its not close to 90% people will have a whole conniption lol.

My point was more it's done on things with low power. The only reason they couldn't get a good working emu on PS5 is cause they don't want to. That's it.

RLCC14 · Sep 17, 2020

Fuck sake :(

Carroway · Sep 17, 2020

The PS3 doesn't surprise me, but no 1 and 2 just reeks of being lazy, but I am not surprised about it anymore.

Ivanovic · Sep 17, 2020

Green said:
Yeah! Fuck old games! Who cares about using my new system to play my existing games leveraging the newfound power. Lame! Give me next gen exclusives that take full advantage of the PS5 like Spider-Man and Horizon! Oh wait...

Yeah totally the same thing. Lmao

Lowblood · Sep 17, 2020

Cyclonesweep said:
Wait....you have to REBUY THEM? Seriously? That's....that's Nintendo like

They're completely different releases with different tech. The PS4 ones have upscaling, trophies, and the like while the PS3 ones are just running them normally with some software compensating for the PS2 tech that was removed from later iterations of the PS3 (I'm speculating a bit here, there's probably more to it than that).

For the most part, the titles released were very different as well, so there were only a few you could buy "twice" anyway. The PS2 on PS4 releases were largely Sony's catalog (and a few other heavy supporters like Rockstar and SNK), while PS3 was a pretty random selection of third parties.

Marshall · Sep 17, 2020

Mars People said:
Its kinda absurd that there have been huge strides in PS3 emulation on PC and yet Sony is content to let their back catalogue rot.

They're content just reskinning old games and making us pay for them again. See Demons Souls.

nightstalker962 · Sep 17, 2020

GlitchyDegree said:
Folklore
The Ratchet & Clank Future games
Infamous 1 & 2
Killzone 2 & 3
Resistance series
Puppeteer
Little Big Planet 1, 2 & Karting
Modnation Racers
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

And that's excluding 3rd party games & PS2 remaster collections.

Good list, also 3D Dot Game Heroes and the God of War collections.

platocplx · Sep 17, 2020

Cyclonesweep said:
My point was more it's done on things with low power. The only reason they couldn't get a good working emu on PS5 is cause they don't want to. That's it.

well yeah its not a priority to them clearly.

ascagnel · Sep 17, 2020

FaffEra said:
You're joking but most ps360 games look terrible on even a 1080p 40" TV. Especially when the 720p internal resolution drops to maintain FPS.

I disagree -- I'm using the same TV I was in the PS3/X360 days, and they can still look fine. What hasn't aged well are the green/grey/brown games from the first half of that generation.

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