Much better cut. I can't believe people were actually defending Valve taking 30% in the other thread.
Competition is good.
Competition is good.
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Epic launches digital games store with 88% revenue going to developers
- Thread starter Bundy
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In what way do they need to "step up"?
Some of the posts in here would be hilarious if they weren't so ignorant.
Going how fast Epic works on Fortnite and making it better, I won't be shocked that they'll be able catch up with Steam when it comes to user interface and convenience in a year or so
I think the bigger blow is how they won't ask for UE royalties when sold on their store. Pretty ballsy move and in line on how Epic makes decision these days
I think the bigger blow is how they won't ask for UE royalties when sold on their store. Pretty ballsy move and in line on how Epic makes decision these days
You mean at the time where Epics own storefront took 30% as a baseline too?
From the interview:
From the perspective of a customer, that's very meh. Yay "competition"!
So it doesn't even have achievements (never mind the other dozen features Steam has over its purported competitors), but they are still planning to pay developers to enforce exclusivity on it.
From the perspective of a customer, that's very meh. Yay "competition"!
When I was thinking "15-year feature set" I was thinking of more esoteric things like an input hardware abstraction layer and in-home streaming, admittedly. The revenue split can matter a lot to me for certain purchases so I could absolutely see myself weighing that higher than Steam's more out-there features, but I totally understand expecting things like a matching refund policy.
And when it comes to those core features I certainly expect Epic to match them, but I can't blame others for being skeptical.
Ahh yes more fucking exclusives. Why does every store continue to do this. Be a addition to steam not a deterrent, and you can grow way quicker. such as uPlay, but really?
How many we up to now? BNET, Galaxy GOG, Steam, Origin, Uplay, Epic, Glyph, Discord. How many more launchers/accounts do I need to have before everyone is satisfied?
How many we up to now? BNET, Galaxy GOG, Steam, Origin, Uplay, Epic, Glyph, Discord. How many more launchers/accounts do I need to have before everyone is satisfied?
The store wasn't created with third party games in mind. If they knew how successful Steam would be today, they would have.
Step up by providing best and easiest return policy,great regional pricing, user reviews, FREE cloud saving, steam gift cards, amazing sales and tons tons more?
Oh wait....
You mean the industry standard cut pretty much everyone takes, apart from this store now and itch.io
It's a joke.
I have a hard time believing any of these drive-by "competition is good" posters are actually active PC gamers.
It's Steam's competitors that should be stepping up in ways that are beneficial to the consumers.
Perhaps because it's the industry standard?
At least until now it was. But Epic isn't even offering 12% of the features that Steam offers. At least not yet. If Epic expands their client with plenty of useful features, then we're talking.
my guess is they're hoping to get a younger audience whose used to their launch via fortnite to start spending money on other games
How is it good for us when it means more expensive games ?
Why cant you believe it when people provided you arguments you may not have even bothered to read or reply to ?
Trust me, the revenue split matters a lot. Not in the way you think though.
COD & Destiny are not technically 3rd party for Acti-Blizzard, but i just don't think it's fair to call B.Net some rip off service when Blizzard created it back in 96, the Console focused publishers (some of which said PC gaming is dead & all PC gamers are pirates, including Epic funny enough) deserve some flack for jumping on the Steam bandwagon & creating another damn launcher.
The moment Valve starts developing games again, Epic, who more or less stopped developing games recently, starts a storefront.
What is happening in the world.
What is happening in the world.
Most publishers don't pay the developers for game development these days. Games haven't been publisher driven for years, nowadays you generally have indie developers who self-publish and big companies who self-publish. When publishers do get involved, they are more about marketing the games than helping them be built or sold.
Which Epic was one of the Big ones.
'Piracy is causing us to move to Consoles'
And years later after Steams solve it by making a product better then pirating they come screaming back as the 'Pro-PC consumer' company and attack Steam.
This is a pretty big, long term gamble for Epic. I doubt the Epic Store is going to pull away the Steam fanatics here on era, what it will do is capture the kids who are currently playing Fortnite and have no loyalty to any platform yet. Most likely they'll just use Epic Store because it's there.
They're not. PC gamers have had to deal with people doing this on here from the start of Era. Blanket "competition is good" and "steam needs a kick in the ass" statements and they don't even know all the stuff Steam has done in the past few years despite having a "monopoly" (they don't have one but that's what these people also say). We explain in detail what they've done and it goes ignored in favor of the same repeated bullshit lines. But it's never moderated so it keeps going.
What? With a smaller cut going to the storefront owners it's easier for developers (publishers) to put their games in sales discounts, not harder.
You think publishers will discount their games more?
Have I got a bridge to sell you
Great news, Steam is unbeatable right now but they only need to get a market segment big enough to put a pressure on them.
If they only reward developers, they will either need to specialize for very specific demographic (Fortnite) or never succeed. In other words, I'm curious to see what their angle is to actually get customers. Few exclusives won't do that, that will only get customers to buy those exclusives on your store and almost nothing else.
So I see many of you guys would just prefer no change, just to have all your games in one place, huh...
Really, I don't give a damn about exclusives. Some games will be exclusive to Epic Store? Oh I guess I will just install it if they are good games. Such a chore.
So you already know there will be no sales on Epic Store? And the rest of the featuers can be added later. You can't just add everything at the start, it would be too risky if somethings... breaks.
Really, I don't give a damn about exclusives. Some games will be exclusive to Epic Store? Oh I guess I will just install it if they are good games. Such a chore.
So you already know there will be no sales on Epic Store? And the rest of the featuers can be added later. You can't just add everything at the start, it would be too risky if somethings... breaks.
If you're going to make a dramatic point like that, you should also explain it a little better than to refer to a 150 page thesis and claim that your remark is supported somewhere in it. Give a page number or range, a chapter at the very least.
I don't see how that changes anything about this currently not being represented as an appealing platform from a consumer standpoint.
Ah yes the "passing savings down to consumers" line. Because that's how capitalism works.
Features added later, so we are to trust Epic and trust their lack of a Refund Policy?
Which to date Steam still has the best one?
The biggest discounts on PC are provided by the cut storefront owners like GMG and Gamesplanet take.
I remember when GFWL was "just another client to install". Then it closed. :")
And yes, people wants convenience. How dare they. :")
So, we can expect devs to launch their games with 20% discounts ?
I'll explain it fast:
-When a game is sold through Steam storefront, Valve takes 30% (same as GOG, Nintendo, Sony, MS, Apple, Google btw) and the developper gets 70% of the revenue.
-Valve allows devs to generate steam keys for free and in unlimited quantities, which they can sell for 100% of revenue.
-Because of that, they're able to sell them on their sites or through 3rd party retailers like GreenManGaming, Voidu or Gamesplanet (Or even Humble Bundle).
-These sites takes 25 to 30% of cut from that 100% so, like Valve
-These sites, to compete with Steam storefront, offer discounts that they absorb through their cut, so they can sell these games 20 to 25% cheaper than on Steam storefronts while devs getting as much money as they would from a Steam sale.
If that cut becomes 88% in the whole industry, that means these sites wont be able to offer discounts deeper than 10% at launch.
I have a feeling that in a year or two this'll just be another shitty launcher and everyone's still buying games on Steam.
Lol yeah I was expecting this the moment I saw their new client beta. None of it made any sense for a client that people only use for one single game so I figured that this would follow.
Nice split for the Devs. I hope they allow just about anyone to publish a game there instead of having some stupid curation policies.
Nice split for the Devs. I hope they allow just about anyone to publish a game there instead of having some stupid curation policies.
and actually besides the lower fee, and curation (aka we pick winners) , we don't know what Epic will provide developers on the backend.
Steam has extensive backend support for developers, big and small.
Will Epic provide online service if a developer needs it?
I see this being a small net positive for some devs, and net neutral for consumers. Some devs will have more money, which they will use to reinvest into more and/or bigger games developed, or maybe simply being able to stay alive long enough to keep making more games. That's good for gamers. I doubt any other stores will lower their 30% cut, or that games will be any cheaper on the Epic store.
Wow, this is great. Waiving Unreal engine royalties is huge as well. So many smaller shops go for Unity just because of the royalties. Smart move by Epic, at the perfect time!