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Do You Think With All The New Announcements for XBOX It Will Change Consumer Direction For Next-Gen?
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Yes actually, I do. How significant? Only time will tell, but Microsoft have put themselves in an utterly fantastic position to gain market share. No more free layups for Sony this time, they have their ducks in order with messaging and product.
When you have a market leader during a transition, time has shown that no matter what the competitors do, the market leader has to royally screw up in some fashion in order for things to change much. So basically the question is not what Xbox does, but does Sony somehow screw up with PS5. I doubt it.
My prediction is MS will dominate next gen with series x and s, theyve got both the most powerful console and the most affordable one, that along with gamepass,xcloud, xbox all access, backwards compatibility and their stellar upcoming first party games (with even more studios coming) is a just a very appealing proposition for the masses, theyll dominate especially in the US, UK, Canada, Australia,New Zealand, Mexico and here in Brazil for sure, question remain when it comes to the rest of Europe and Japan will be really hard.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
I feel like we're being asked the same question five different ways today. What I really wonder is will MS totally disconnect from the synchronized generation model and go for generation-less approach with PC and their consoles unified. At the end of the PS3/X360 generation I was mainly a PC gamer and was really hoping for Xbox and PC to have the same releases, maybe I get that this gen.
I think we need to wait and see what Sony plan to do before drawing conclusions.
We know very little about any additional features Sony will offer. Let alone a price.
Sony can come along tomorrow announce the digital PS5 for $299 and $399 and rebrand PSNOW as Gamepass basically dismantling Microsoft USP.
We know very little about any additional features Sony will offer. Let alone a price.
Sony can come along tomorrow announce the digital PS5 for $299 and $399 and rebrand PSNOW as Gamepass basically dismantling Microsoft USP.
I've said before I expect Microsoft to regain some of their lost marketshare, but I think a lot of people are overreacting to the explosion of Xbox news. They've still got a content problem through at least 2022 when their new studios hopefully start releasing titles. In addition the new Switch release could be a problem for them if they're trying to make a play for people's secondary devices with the Series S. There's too much up in the air right now to predict how things will play out.
Series S will sell a ton. People over estimate brand loyalty and how much price matters. Especially with how they'll market EA and gamepass it should sell well. PS5 will probably sell more but with the amount of people in the xbox eco system due to xcloud and PC should put Xbox over the top with amount of users. Idk if number of boxes sold will be a good metric for who is "winning" next gen.
I think you are going to be in for a rude awakening if you think the XSX will outsell the XSS by a wide margin
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So Sony built up a lot of good will for their exclusives and "many" people are just going to give up their libraries to go play on the S for what? Gamepass? You can buy a very cheap base Xbox right now and that's not setting the world on fire in sales so what's changed now? While Spider-Man and Demon's Souls are right around the corner on PS5.
Do many of those countries have good internet? that is the problem with having digital only. Having a low cost option is great but having it 100% reliant on ISP will handicap it's appeal.
This won't change much imo.
I think Xbox absolutely knocked it out the park today. Every headline I read today was better than the last. Is it enough to change the industry as a whole? That remains to be seen. I still believe that content is king & Sony is killing it with their exclusives.
This last year has been phenomenal for it. I don't think it was great out of the gate. Lots of day 1 additions even from third parties now.
No, I think Xbox will stay in 3rd place.
Japan will be even worse then last gen, it's dead for them unless they have tons of unannounced stuff targeted to that market which I doubt.
Europe (inc UK) moved further away from them this gen too.
Maybe they could have growth in the US?
Japan will be even worse then last gen, it's dead for them unless they have tons of unannounced stuff targeted to that market which I doubt.
Europe (inc UK) moved further away from them this gen too.
Maybe they could have growth in the US?
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Too early to tell, but I think it will do pretty well.
Need to up their first party game though. Another generation like the last and it won't matter how good the hardware is or what good value gamepass represents.
Need to up their first party game though. Another generation like the last and it won't matter how good the hardware is or what good value gamepass represents.
I'm mostly thinking of the mainstream Madden/2K/FIFA/CoD audience who mostly play multiplatform games, are extremely price conscious, and may not typically upgrade to next gen at launch. Series S hitting at $299 gives them an easy way to join the excitement of next-gen. It even has high potiential to play well with parents. If you're being pressured to get a new console this holiday - do you get the $500 one (maybe $450, maybe $600) or the $300 one, when your kid really only plays Fortnite and that shit runs on everything?
The new Spider-Man is potientially a very strong counter to that particular play (Spider-Man being the rare exclusive to really cross over into the mainstream). But since it's still unclear if that's hitting at launch, as well as the full scale - time will tell if that breaks up a potiential $150-$300 price advantage.
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I dont think so.. Aint no one leaving the PS ecosystem if all these years have not convinced them too.
I anticipate Xbox doing better, for sure. It's still too early to say given we don't know price for PlayStation and in general how games will look and run on these consoles in person. And while I'm not predicting $399 for digital PS5, for these "casuals" that people keep bringing up as flocking to the Series S, how would that work? Like sure we can make the argument that moms and dads will just buy the cheapest next gen machine - and I'm sure that does happen - but isn't it more likely they will buy what their kid asks for or does just a tiny bit of research or asking questions in person. Because if it comes down to $299 for an Xbox that is 1/3ish less powerful than the PS5 Digital, especially with the cache that Sony has with games, is that going to turn sales away from Xbox Series S? I just don't think people are that slavish to price that it becomes the only real factor.
We will see.
We will see.
I think MS is doing all the right things but...
I still feel like they aren't quite there. A lot of their acquisitions are still a couple years out from first games and I think that will make a big difference.
I am personally excited but I'm not their target as I have GP Ultimate and will always buy the new Xbox and PS console.
For traditional No-Xbox people, I don't think enough has changed to make them switch from PS5, but like I said it's all moving in the right direction.
But there is MS issues in Asia and Europe/worldwide. They are going to have to compete in all these places if they want to gain real ground on Sony imo
I still feel like they aren't quite there. A lot of their acquisitions are still a couple years out from first games and I think that will make a big difference.
I am personally excited but I'm not their target as I have GP Ultimate and will always buy the new Xbox and PS console.
For traditional No-Xbox people, I don't think enough has changed to make them switch from PS5, but like I said it's all moving in the right direction.
But there is MS issues in Asia and Europe/worldwide. They are going to have to compete in all these places if they want to gain real ground on Sony imo
I think Series S will do very well, I see the Series X doing kind of what the X1X is doing now, which is fine, not absolutely amazing though. I do think Xbox will earn some market share back and probably take the US lead, a lot of this really depends on the cost of the PS5 as well.
Xbox's biggest problem right now is the same it's been for awhile...games. All of their top hitting games except Halo are years from now it seems.
Xbox's biggest problem right now is the same it's been for awhile...games. All of their top hitting games except Halo are years from now it seems.
GamePass is going to be a system seller as exclusives and 1st party games continue their trend towards meaningless.
I can't wait for these things to launch so I can finally be proven right.
I went from a PS2 to a 360 because at the launch E3 Peter Moore pretty much blew up Sony's spot by nabbing Final Fantasy and GTA, two franchises that I cared a LOT about back in 2006. They would need to make similar moves to get me to come back.
Similar moves they could make now:
Similar moves they could make now:
- Get the next Persona to release at the same time on S/X
- Release a good and competent Fable game. Not asking for the world here. All of them were at least a little underwhelming in some ways. Just a return to form, and it would be a huge selling point for me.
- Make a Crackdown like Crackdown 1OMGhowfuckinghardisthis? Why did they fucking dither away this potential franchise when all it needed was slight tweaks and better graphics? But hey, Terry Crews!
- Bankroll a new Silent Hill game.
- Buy Naughty Dog?
- Buy Insomniac Games?
Have you seen animal crossing sales? Or any non xbox exclusive that came out this year?
Step one would be delivering games that can attract the gamers who currently prefer other platform. Yet most gamers who are already prefering xbox are saying they don't care about first parties at all. I don't get it, it's the gamers who are NOT currently on xbox you want to attract. That's the whole concept of growth.
I think they will gain some new users in some markets, in others like EU and Asia i dont see much changing.
Casuals and folks that only care about spending the least amount possible dont really have brand loyalty though. Sure diehards won't leave because they have brand loyalty and have bought in to the ecosystem. Xbox has nowhere to go but up so i would find it incredibly hard to believe that they won't gain some marketshare at the very least.
I honestly don't know this time.
Great pricing, but in the end, content is king. Just like other subscription services, you need to give a people a reason to jump in and what to stay. But not only that, transition into the next level hardware if very important in terms of maintaining your past content, while providing great new experiences. Xbox definitely has an edge here, but I don't think it's as dramatic of edge than what people think if you can still play 95%+ of PS4 games with no issue. The people want to play games older than the Xbox One/PS4 generation is ridiculously tiny.
Great pricing, but in the end, content is king. Just like other subscription services, you need to give a people a reason to jump in and what to stay. But not only that, transition into the next level hardware if very important in terms of maintaining your past content, while providing great new experiences. Xbox definitely has an edge here, but I don't think it's as dramatic of edge than what people think if you can still play 95%+ of PS4 games with no issue. The people want to play games older than the Xbox One/PS4 generation is ridiculously tiny.
I know there's a lot of anti- Microsoft bias around here but c'mon. They're launching a next gen console at a cheaper price than the Switch. The general public aren't as attached to Sony as people seem to believe here. It plays Fifa, COD and GTA which is all the vast majority care about.
It'll sell like crazy. Enough to outsell the PS5 perhaps not but I'd be absolutely amazed if the sales difference is as big as it has been for this gen.
It'll sell like crazy. Enough to outsell the PS5 perhaps not but I'd be absolutely amazed if the sales difference is as big as it has been for this gen.
Yeah, well I suppose if Sony does make any improvements they will highlight that before the release of the console. Microsoft is really building up Game Pass leading into the launch of the XSX and now would be the time for Sony to react. Not sure they'll get anything major like Microsoft did with EA since that seems to have leaked a while ago and we haven't heard anything about PS Now in months and months.
Game pass along with the option of paying a monthly plan vs buying the console outright is going to get a LOT of Xboxes into living rooms. I think a lot of people here are going to underestimate how attractive that deal will be consumers, especially for those who can't shell out $300-$500 on a new console this holiday.
Sony had a ridiculous marketshare advantage this gen, at the very least Series S is primed to take SOME of that back from them. Sony & MS are both gonna be extremely successful this time around.
Well must-have games are going to differ from person to person. There are exclusive games, which depending upon the person, may be must have.
Don't forget that Microsoft is also offering Xbox All Access so you can get an XSS for as little as $25/month which includes Game Pass. That is a very low entry point and I think a lot of people will take advantage.
IDK next gen is launching with a new console priced the same as the current-gen options today
definitely going to look at least a bit different even if it doesn't seem that way now