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Do you think going home for Christmas is out of the question at this point?
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Stop using this as a shield. The very first recommendation:
I see where you're coming from but this is bad advice. Small indoor gatherings are causing the surge.
It's amazing people still need to ask this question. Cases are higher than they have ever been...
I am currently not leaving the house and my grandma and mum don't do that either as both are at high risk, so they only go for walks from time to time. My uncle who lives in the same house does the shopping but does home office apart from that.
My grandma does not want to see anyone else from our familyy this year, so it will be just us four.
The OP stated their father was having a "big party" and implied their mother had a medical condition yet were still considering traveling for the holidays. In these scenarios, a softer guideline such as "10 or less" tends to result in people choosing to stay in isolation as opposed to more firm guidelines which tend to result in people having a very laissez-faire attitude to the situation. As sad as it, you have to adapt to the individual and area to promote as much social distancing as possible.
And then it gives a long series of more specific recommendations because the CDC knows most people are going to ignore the initial (and best) recommendation. We're at the point where COVID deaths must be minimized in any form.
You thought things were not only going to improve post-thanksgiving but that a month after everything would be fine? Bizarre.
Small indoor gatherings aren't really causing the surge. It's larger gatherings and holiday travel that's causing the upticks in positive cases. If people wore masks, quarantined, stayed within their immediate communities and avoided large gatherings, then it wouldn't be as bad. But alas....
You know what else is contributing to the surge? Small fucking gatherings.
I will be accompanying my fiance to her parents for Christmas, against my wishes but I need to support her. 😑 We skipped Thanksgiving with them and both her parents and sister are making it shitty for her. If they get sick I won't feel guilty at least.
I'm not visiting my sister, my other sister is through but frankly, I think they're fucking insane. Then again they're more healthy than either my wife or I.
Indeed. I can't do much about their decision though apart from just stay inside and wait my turn for a vaccination when they come available.
Alright, I'm done with this weird attack on me for providing the official recommendation. If you won't listen to me, then listen to Fauci:
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...atherings-should-include-fewer-than-10-people
Wear a mask, don't travel and limit gatherings to 10 or less (the smaller the better, especially if you don't know the contacts the others have had)
I am not attacking you. I am saying that going anywhere for the holidays is bad advice.
Cases were going up well before the holidays though. Fauci himself said small gatherings in particular are driving the surge.
And I agree that people should not travel for the holidays. But that's a slightly different discussion than having the smallest of gatherings at all. But to be honest, and this is not directed at you, I'm mostly aghast that people actually called the official recommendation as "BS", "irresponsible" and "bad advice". It's rather absurd.
Please don't just link me the first article you found while googling "Fauci small gatherings"
Please listen to Dr Fauci:
Given that we've eradicated the virus here in Melbourne, Australia, Christmas with my fam is definitely possible.
However, our state Government has put a guest limit of 30, which is not enough for our extended family Christmas gathering that sometimes goes up to 60-ish people.
However, our state Government has put a guest limit of 30, which is not enough for our extended family Christmas gathering that sometimes goes up to 60-ish people.
While we are discussing WHAT exactly causes the surge, people keep dying. The only thing we know for SURE is that human contact is spreading it. So why not avoid it for a little longer until the vaccine is through? Impatience? Indifference?
lol it's been lost since November
That's not even the last super spreader event
We've still got
Holiday shopping
Traveling
Christmas
Christmas mass
Traveling home
New Year's Eve
By Biden's inauguration we might be past 500K dead and it should surprise no one that when Biden steps into office is when republicans will question why Biden let this happen
That's not even the last super spreader event
We've still got
Holiday shopping
Traveling
Christmas
Christmas mass
Traveling home
New Year's Eve
By Biden's inauguration we might be past 500K dead and it should surprise no one that when Biden steps into office is when republicans will question why Biden let this happen
I've had the same X-mas eve get together with friends from high school for the past 15+ years. It's all but a certainty that it isn't happening this year. It sucks, but we have a responsibility to each other and our families to keep everyone safe.
Nah I remembered hearing him saying it on TV and pulled up the first article I could find. Not sure why you're attacking me either, I'm trying to help you from spreading bad advice. Maybe you should've clicked on the article I linked to instead of trying to backtrace it on google lmao.
Also in the video you posted Fauci literally says "there's still a danger if you bring people into the home who are not part of the immediate household." 2:45 min mark. Not sure what you were trying to prove.
Yup. Not sure why I've everyone has been more relaxed since the summer, virus must have weakened significantly.
Oh it hasn't?
I get why people are antsy but fuck, it's depressing/infuriating when your better half is a doctor on the front lines and she has been dealing with this shit non-stop...
This is not even remotely reliable as an approach. Even people with the best intentions need to answer the door, take in parcels, maybe go to the supermarket etc. The only completely bulletproof way not to give COVID to your family members is not to see them. And if the world could "just isolate" like that, then COVID would have been over months ago.
EDIT: And christ that post on the first page is bad. "Oh, you'll be fine if you haven't been near someone who has COVID." The vast majority of the time, you won't know if you've been near someone who has COVID. That's why we have a global pandemic and not an isolated outbreak.
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Go for a big shop before isolating.
You're not getting Covid from a parcel.
If you can comprehensively avoid all human interaction from tomorrow until Christmas, and you can rely on everyone in your immediate / extended family to do the same, then sure. But I think 99% of people will have holes in their approach to isolation. I know I don't trust my entire family (or my wife's) to isolate effectively for a full fortnight. Why risk it?
Depends how bad you want that family dinner for Christmas. Some people here acting like it is impossible when it isn't anywhere close.
I mean the first thing is not to ask Era these types of questions, because you're not gonna get the answer you want. This forum is not going to tell you it's okay to do certain things during a pandemic, and for most of 2021 to be honest. You don't need permission from Era to do these things, you just have to own up to the fact that you are potentially putting other people at risk, no matter what your intentions.
A friend of mine is FULLY quarantining for 14 days and her parents are FULLY quarantining for 14 days and then the THREE of them are spending Xmas together.
Seems reasonable.
Seems reasonable.
If you're in America, things are basically the worst they've ever been. Now is the time to get more strict, not less.
It's one Christmas. I know it sucks, but better to miss one than to miss all the rest because you or your family are dead.
I'm not taking my kids to their grandparents house this year unlike usual. That would be stupid.
Yes. Rates are still going up and vaccines aren't hitting regular folk like us for a few more months. Absolutely no reason to get together this year, and I say that wishing I could meet with family because we really need family togetherness at the moment with my father in law being in the hospital with COVID.
A very quick mental risk / reward should tell you that staying home is the only option here. You're jeopardizing your own health, your family member's health, and the general public's health with this decision.
This is exactly what I'm doing. I went grocery shopping, bought a bunch of stuff to tide me over for 2 weeks, I live alone and work from home, and I have a car so I'll be driving directly to my parents in about 1.5 weeks.
I live in Toronto where we're currently in a lockdown and am traveling to a different region that has a much lower case count. Obviously I do not want to get my parents sick, hence the quarantine. Still going for walks alone but otherwise not socializing with anyone in person.
Given what the OP has said it sounds much too risky to have Christmas this year, BUT depending on everyone's individual situation there are ways to make it happen, albeit on a much smaller scale than I imagine most people are used to. Let's not just categorically say it can't happen because for some people it can be done safely.
We aren't seeing anyone. Not even family who live close by like my parents. Everything is going to be through FaceTime.
just going to the grocery store is putting my parents at risk if I see them.
just going to the grocery store is putting my parents at risk if I see them.
It sucks and you shouldn't do it unless you and your family were lucky enough to get the vaccine by then.
But I know that at least half of the country are going to be selfish assholes and do it anyways. It even crosses over party lines. I see plenty of Dems I know socializing without masks.
But I know that at least half of the country are going to be selfish assholes and do it anyways. It even crosses over party lines. I see plenty of Dems I know socializing without masks.