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Digital Foundry: Metro Exodus PC/RTX Analysis: The Next Level In Real-Time Visuals
- Thread starter abracadaver
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I am talking DX11, not the DX12 RTX exclusive features.
Do you think is the holy Grail even without the RTGI?
I mean... Is this the new "best looking game ever"?
I am doubtful.
Few people have the budget to be concerned about a tiny percentage of players with these cards.
Ignore any and all benchmarks done within the games benchmarking system. It does not come close to what you get in game performance. Every bench you see you can add around 20fps to the amount.
They list Ray Traced Reflections, Ray Traced Diffuse Global Illumination and Contact Shadows for most influential light sources.
It will be the generation after that before you start seeing ray tracing in console games.
Incredible video dictator, I'm sad RTX won't be in next gen consoles because it really seems like a gamechanger here.
Fuck sake I need to buy this on PC now, after watching that video. Damn bois that engine looks killer. When is this out on Steam, no jokes now.
Damn you Epic store...
Damn you Epic store...
True, but this tiny percentage of gamers can't grow if there is no content developed to utilize raytracing.
Yeah, the PC videos are on a whole other level now. Good job DF!
For me, even on a Titan Xp without RTX, it's about as good as games have ever looked! Battlefront II is the only game I feel gives it a real visual run for its money, but Exodus is doing so much more on a technical level that it edges it out.
You're probably right. It's a shame too, because raytracing makes such a big difference, even in its infancy with consumer-grade graphics cards.
I've never played a Metro game and only have a 2080, but I'm tempted to get this just as a showcase for the card.
Stuff like this has me really excited to see what a studio like DICE can do with their next game now that they've experience with the tech. If it's Battlefront 3, oh boy.
Run on DX12 - in my experience they run the same and I imagine DX12 probably even better in some scenarios. The studio seems very versed in DX12.
Not really convinced Nvidia care about gamers buying these cards, they are more like a secondary target audience.
Over the years these cards will go from high prices and cutting edge. To lower prices and like buying used 980ti now, will be baseline for RT.
Everything has to start someplace. When no other 10 series cards remain more sales will come.
In a word, yes. No other game is doing what this is doing while maintaining said level of quality.
I think the performance is still very good.
Without RTGI, it is still one of the best looking games on the market. Arguably, the best.
Really need to get my 2080Ti build going.
Thinking of buying the 2080ti FTW and just throwing it in my 3770k rig to replace my SLI 970s....
Then ordering my i9 9900k , mobo/ram a couple months later.
Doable?
Thinking of buying the 2080ti FTW and just throwing it in my 3770k rig to replace my SLI 970s....
Then ordering my i9 9900k , mobo/ram a couple months later.
Doable?
Great video Alex. I wasn't that impressed with ray tracing in the still shots I've seen before this deep dive, now that's changed. It's not simply 'making things darker' as some critics have complained, some scenes have massively more added detail due to the light bounce.
On DLSS, seems like Nvidia is hearing the criticisms, so we'll see. Agreed that the fact it's even barely above native 1440p in quality (if even that) at DLSS 4K is rather bizarre, hopefully they can really up the sharpness. What Nvidia does seem to confirm unfortunately is that the processing budget of DLSS basically means it can't be applied to framerates beyond 60, while not a problem for me as I play my PC games on a TV with a joypad, this is definitely not great for owners of high-refresh rate displays who were hopeful DLSS could get them to 120+ while maintaining quality.
The lack of a 'true' fullscreen mode I think it an annoying quirk (or as MS would call it - 'optimization') of some DX12 games that make use of MS's new display model as most Windows Store games do. DX12 may provide more optimization avenues for lower-end CPU's, unfortunately there's quite a bit of downside which I feel is glossed over somewhat- namely the lack of customization. Frame rate limiters don't work, no reshade, no refresh rates - there are advantages of course (no alt-tabbing crashes and immediate resolution changes), but these are pretty big limitations as compared to what PC gamers are used to.
On DLSS, seems like Nvidia is hearing the criticisms, so we'll see. Agreed that the fact it's even barely above native 1440p in quality (if even that) at DLSS 4K is rather bizarre, hopefully they can really up the sharpness. What Nvidia does seem to confirm unfortunately is that the processing budget of DLSS basically means it can't be applied to framerates beyond 60, while not a problem for me as I play my PC games on a TV with a joypad, this is definitely not great for owners of high-refresh rate displays who were hopeful DLSS could get them to 120+ while maintaining quality.
The lack of a 'true' fullscreen mode I think it an annoying quirk (or as MS would call it - 'optimization') of some DX12 games that make use of MS's new display model as most Windows Store games do. DX12 may provide more optimization avenues for lower-end CPU's, unfortunately there's quite a bit of downside which I feel is glossed over somewhat- namely the lack of customization. Frame rate limiters don't work, no reshade, no refresh rates - there are advantages of course (no alt-tabbing crashes and immediate resolution changes), but these are pretty big limitations as compared to what PC gamers are used to.
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It looks good. But...wtf man, I'm legitimately not even close to being blown away. I feel like as techniques and modeling improve, the other areas of rendering which lag behind, stand out even more.
But I'd agree. Best looking FPS attempting realistic visuals, thus far.
But I'd agree. Best looking FPS attempting realistic visuals, thus far.
Not so sure about that. Something on the order of tensor cores for the next gen consoles? Likely not, however I'd be surprised if there's not some form of 'assistance' for ray tracing.
Looks awesome, but 4A Games really know what they are doing.
Still, my PC isn't the best one. With my GTX 1070 and Xeon and 1440p Screen, I would most likely end up with High settings and 1440p and of course no Raytracing. Not sure if the system would even manage 60 fps with high settings.
Therefore I went for the One X version with HDR, native 4K and it seems mostly High settings at 30 FPS.
Personally I just don't want to invest so much money for a RTX 2080 TI and the other system parts needed for that kind of improvement and I would still need to buy a decent new monitor as well.
I love gaming on my PC and a lot of games still rund perfectly fine with the setup in 1440p, 60FPS and High/Max settings. Otherwise I'll just stick to my One X where it makes sense.
and yes, Raytracing is a huge thing, I think it was even clearly visible in BF5, when you played with RTX on vs. off. Which I was able to do, when I had a test system from Nvidia at hand.
Still, my PC isn't the best one. With my GTX 1070 and Xeon and 1440p Screen, I would most likely end up with High settings and 1440p and of course no Raytracing. Not sure if the system would even manage 60 fps with high settings.
Therefore I went for the One X version with HDR, native 4K and it seems mostly High settings at 30 FPS.
Personally I just don't want to invest so much money for a RTX 2080 TI and the other system parts needed for that kind of improvement and I would still need to buy a decent new monitor as well.
I love gaming on my PC and a lot of games still rund perfectly fine with the setup in 1440p, 60FPS and High/Max settings. Otherwise I'll just stick to my One X where it makes sense.
and yes, Raytracing is a huge thing, I think it was even clearly visible in BF5, when you played with RTX on vs. off. Which I was able to do, when I had a test system from Nvidia at hand.
I'd say some of the character models and animation limitations stand out. I think this is very impressive, but I'm also blown away by Last of Us 2 with its animation and incredible character detail, ray tracing or not.
This isn't new though, it's always been the case when you massively up the quality of one aspect of graphics the detriments of other elements are more prominent, like when you play very old games in 4K and notice the poor textures and low polygon count.
You've misread the benchmarks. The air-cooled Vega 64/RTX 2060 and above average at least 60fps at 1080p.
That's the thing with ray tracing.
We got so good at faking it that doing it in real time just seems kind a waste of resources.
Its impressive in a academic sense but outside of stuff like reflections, its use for lighting seems redudent
That's just it, Metro's character models are good enough to get the job done. And it isn't simply one aspect of the tech that stands out. There are plenty. Exactly like Last Light in 2013.
That said, The Last Of Us Part II is the only game I expect to really topple this (and that's a maybe). :P
Definitely don't play at Extreme. It's a massive performance drain with almost imperceptible image quality difference than Ultra.
If only there was something to demonstrate that isn't the case, like a long video
This looks absolutely incredible. My GTX 1070 is just not ready.
So is this the new graphic king. Taken as a whole package it has to be graphic king of the year, if not of the generation.
Im pretty sure DF will give this their graphic award for 2019.....unless The Last of Us 2 somehow manages to actually beat this.
So is this the new graphic king. Taken as a whole package it has to be graphic king of the year, if not of the generation.
Im pretty sure DF will give this their graphic award for 2019.....unless The Last of Us 2 somehow manages to actually beat this.
New consoles must have some kind of ray tracing support otherwise it's going to be a huge huge letdown. Even if they would be able to handle only low preset or something that would still be great.
Imagine Naughty Dog level of assets and animation + this tech. Yummy
Imagine Naughty Dog level of assets and animation + this tech. Yummy
Right now, I'd put it soundly above everything else (with Battlefront II in 2nd place). Just a reminder of how lovely this generation has been for graphics! The Last Of us Part II promises to join them!
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True, well I didn't misread them, but I didn't express myself right, as I mentioned average.
When looking at 1080@60 fps I was thinking about a locked 60 fps. Asks for a 2070 or 1080ti according to those benches.
That seems a bit crazy, specially taking into account the beastly CPU.
Personally, I guess I will wait a couple of years to play it...
