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Digital Foundry: Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison: An Xbox Advantage At 4K
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They wouldn't have to drop the resolution of the entire game to fix I though. Just a dynamic resolution or toggle for that particular level would have been fine.
Thanks for the insight and it's good the tools are getting better.
CPU + SSD are responsible for loading and PS5 and Xbox Series X are so close that perhaps something else like CPU, networking, .... is the culprit. It's also interesting that the Series S is actually slower than the Series X, because in theory it needs to fill a smaller RAM pool.
There seems to be this idea that developers can't reduce the data streamed (MIPS, sounds, whatever) to accommodate a slower SSD, while keeping gameplay elements in tact. I dunno why, but some users seem to believe that. My take on this is that graphically there will be differences, but from a gameplay perspective the consoles are so close that there shouldn't be a gameplay concept possible on one console and not on the other platform.
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Just think, if only you chose differently you could've seen a slight difference if you looked really hard enough. Ahhhhhh fuck indeed.
:) Relax and enjoy the game.
Series S is more than just resolution in terms of downgrade, definitely a trend now. If I'm to buy a new generation console, it'll be a series X.
Native 4k will look a little sharper but it's not a big difference from a game running 1800p checkerboard or using a good upscaling technique on my 65 inch 4k Sony TV.
If you get really close, sure you can see it, just like you can when DF zoom in but playing at normal viewing distance, it's not a big enough difference to care about or really notice.
With a layman's understanding of resolution, I always thought that increasing your resolution to its max was a matter of what you were trying to run at that resolution.
Something akin to being able to carry a beachball above your head while running in a marathon, but not running at full speed while carrying a grown woman.
Are we of the consensus that this game is too heavy for the PS5 to carry at true 4k or that all erm...(forgive me) full grown games are?
Something akin to being able to carry a beachball above your head while running in a marathon, but not running at full speed while carrying a grown woman.
Are we of the consensus that this game is too heavy for the PS5 to carry at true 4k or that all erm...(forgive me) full grown games are?
I guess the rumors about Xbox giving devkits late where true then, Xbox having the advantage will become the norm this gen, at least till a next gen refresh happens.
Xbox appeared to be underperforming compared to paper specs, and in this game it's closer to what people expected from them. People like their stuff being utilized to it's maximum capabilities. Not hard to understand. Parity is only good if the hardware is actually equal.
DF doesn't always get their findings out the same day. Sometimes there's a delay by 3 or 4 days (sometimes a week). And during such delays I never see anybody talking about an obvious/clear resolution difference
yea you guys are right, DF are biased fanboys. I'll wait for the jaytechtv analysis to see what's really happening here.
You should not assume this because the GPU limited scene comparison mentioned earlier.
You should also not assume this after multitude of factual evidences showing similar or better performance on PS5 in other cross-gen games.
Engines have architectural preferences sometimes.
I'd need to re-watch the video but there's a big difference between "it's good news that the XBOX Series X version runs at 4K" versus "it's good news that the PS5 runs at a lower resolution."
Obviously, if you're buying an XBOX Series, it's good news that the game is running at native 4K. And if you're buying it on PS5, it doesn't matter, because you're buying it on PS5.
Obviously, if you're buying an XBOX Series, it's good news that the game is running at native 4K. And if you're buying it on PS5, it doesn't matter, because you're buying it on PS5.
Except it sounds rather as if the good news was that the other console underperforms. Maybe I am overreacting but it hit me as a weird thing to say.
it's not a petty console war topic for DF...they're saying it's good to see that XSX is showing some gains finally since theoretically it's better on paper.
think back to ps4pro and one x comparisons...it was always "good" to see one x at higher res, because that's what people were buying it for. if both ran at same resolution/performance, it would be "bad", because one x was more expensive and was the greatest thing ever according to MS advertising
I would be relieved too if I was digital foundry, since they were being bombarded by hate for breaking the bad news that older xsx titles were sometimes behind ps5. Great news in fact, they might only get a little bit of toxic hate thrown at them now.
I see. In that case just an 1800p toggle in the settings would have worked fine but probably not worth the effort if it's really just one area.
Because describing it as "slightly better fps" is disingenuous because the only fps drop is extremely minor and is in one specific area. The way you described it makes it sound like the PS5 FPS is slightly better the whole way through.
I don't think John or DF are fanboys at all, but the comment comes off a little weird. I thought we were referring to someone in this thread and not DF.
I'm not going to chastise them for saying it because they catch enough BS heat from people like us and I know it's tiring to them.
"Yo shopkeeper, I'll take the version with the purple flower field on LOCK!"
Could the differences here be in correlation to the past gen versions at all? Eg the PS4 Pro version runs these PS5 settings at 30fps, whilst the One X runs the Series X settings at 30fps?
Curious if this is the Series X finally showing a performance advantage, or if it's instead the game running in a BC mode of sorts.
Curious if this is the Series X finally showing a performance advantage, or if it's instead the game running in a BC mode of sorts.
i'm like 99% sure it's a native next gen game on both platforms, albeit still a cross gen title
I don't know enough about the development environments, but it is possible they just based it on the existing last gen code base to a degree
I think you're reading into it too much.
John's just (I think!) pointing out that you'd expect to see differences (because the XSX is more powerful than the PS5). If the games are at exact parity in all features then it means one of them hasn't been pushed as hard as it could be. So it's good that both machines are being used to their absolute strengths.
He's not celebrating over one version having lower resolution or shadows or whatever.
Seems like strong performance from both the PS5 and Series X though if I was a real pixel peeper with both machines I'd pick the Series X version for having better resolution and shadows for the 99% of the game you play that isn't that one flower field.
Given the nature of the drop there I can imagine that rather than adding dynamic resolution scaling to the game IOI might just optimise that section of the game instead.
Given the nature of the drop there I can imagine that rather than adding dynamic resolution scaling to the game IOI might just optimise that section of the game instead.
Most likely because many users aren't buying two copies to compare. You're not being truthful if you're really trying to imply bad resolution isn't noticed or discussed by this forum outside of when df videos are posted.
You haven't been paying much attention then. Most of us were expecting exactly this margin of differences.
This is an interesting hypothesis. I can surely see it being said in this context.
PS5 is using higher settings than ps4pro. XSX is using higher settings than X1X.
This should not be BC Mode, but a full App for both Systems from what I understand.
Excellent work on the consoles, IOI! The XSX looks impressive with great ports such as these. It is still not enough to take me away from my PS5, but those with an XSX are definitely in for a treat.
I didn't watch the video but in the past and knowing John, he prefers framerate above all. So if X console is pushing less res but higher framerate (even if it's like 0.001 minor advantage), he will go for framerate.
Nothing fanboyish about it. Just a preference.
You need a tinfoil hat my dude. Both consoles are good relax. He's talking about people's expectations of the series x (which were to outperform the Ps5 in resolution and framrate based on the raw numbers).
his oled has vrr, which completely erases that "issue".
regardless, it's good news all around. even series s.
Not really, PS5 doesn't drop frames, Series X / S does drop slightly, so technically what I'm saying is true, but the I also said the differences are minor and they are both great, funny how people are ignoring that bit.....
I find it so weird how people get so defensive about this stuff, trying to look for things that aren't there.
The difference you're pointing out between the Series X & PS5, is undetectable to the vast majority...However, everybody can notice the $100 difference
dont you think "the xbox has better shadows and resolution, and outside of one specific area has the same exact FPS as the PS5" is a better description?
Alex, do you believe there's headroom there to further increase the resolution of the PS5 version?
1800p vs 2160p is quite a gap i PQ (+ higher quality shadows), much greater than the specs would suggest. I never doubted/mocked the tools argument, it was corroborated by several credible sources (including you guys).
But would that amount to this kind of difference? Especially considering what we've been seeing since launch. Any theories?
I think he'd still prefer framerate if frame drops were widespread. In such a case where drops happen only in a tiny part of the game it would be overkill to lower the resolution across the board. Although I don't know why the developers didn't use dynamic resolution in that one spot, similar to how developers of COD turned off ray-traced shadows in one specific level. I guess they probably didn't have the time or didn't feel it was significant enough to require intervention.
Wasn't there resolution parity for XSX and PS5 in Watchdogs which seems wholly more demanding? I need to revisit the DF analysis on that one.
I know it's not apples/apples but it seems a bit odd that a more linear game like Hitman would have more governance from a performance perspective than open world titles like WD & AC Valhalla.
Maybe it's just the devs preferring a native presentation with their TAA implementation?
I know it's not apples/apples but it seems a bit odd that a more linear game like Hitman would have more governance from a performance perspective than open world titles like WD & AC Valhalla.
Maybe it's just the devs preferring a native presentation with their TAA implementation?
That's partly why Microsoft introduced the Series S. For most people, it's more than enough.
I'm talking about the difference in resolution. I said nothing about a "bad resolution"
Who said anything about a "bad resolution"?
All versions looking good, and damn that XSX version looks hot. I'm holding out for the Steam release but if I see a good price for it on Xbox this year I won't be able to resist.