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Digital Foundry: Borderlands 3 PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X Graphics Comparison
- Thread starter Dreams-Visions
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Its just been my personal experience that playing games on PC at 30fps feels way more janky and uncomfortable than something like Spider-man or Driveclub on PS4. To me 60fps is pretty much mandatory on PC.
You play on AMD driver or something? Use kb +m? Play with motion blur?
PC 30 fps is the exact same in term sof frame presentation, must be some sort of subjective difference.
I had similar experience when gaming on PC. Despite trying out multiple options.
You can even google: "pc 30 fps feels worse" and there should be some other discussions about it.
It's possible this is mostly due to K/M vs Controller.
Yup AMD driver with good old 290X lol, with no motion blur. But I remember this was also echoed by few other people in one of threads here, that 30fps games on consoles try to sort of "smooth" it out with motion blur and what not, while on PC the control is in user's hands and most people don't do a good job of smoothing it out. And that 30fps footage on 1X does not look smooth at all compared to something like Destiny 2 on 1X.
The AMD driver does not have half refresh rate vsync - so that would be a big hurdle for most users.
As you mention, motion blur is per game and per user selectable
And a controller "hides" (poorly though IMO) the latency of 30 fps by already being an imprecise control implement in its conception.
But yeah, this footage of BL3 looks poor because it is not actually a real proper 30 fps in general.
Honestly, if you have the choice, why wouldn't this always be the answer?
I missed a word, meant "heavier" combat. We never get locked 60 because of the CPU bottleneck. On PC 1080p literal locked 60fps isn't hard even with modest CPUs from 3 or 4 years ago. I reckon next generation it will be more common because the balance between CPU and GPU resources will be better.
It is amazing just how frame-y that 30 fps looks on XOX and PS4 (it gave me a headache while looking at it) compared to games like GoW, Uncharted, HZD, Quantum Break, Spuderman, Forza Horizon (in 4k Mode), Deus Ex MD, etc. The lack of motion blur allied allied to inconsistent frame times (when it does happen) is a recipe for inducing motion sickness/headache for me. In some ways, kind of reminds me of AC Odyssey and TLoU LB with 30fps cap on Pro.
A PC with 1060 will probably serve you a *lot* better than a base PS4. Hell, you'll be much better off than a Pro as well.
The same thing happened with Monster Hunter World. Xbox One X has base Xbox One drawbacks like less foliage draw distance than the PS4 versions.
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I've also had the same experiences and I use a controller on a PC that is also connected to a TV. By all accounts it should be the same, but it isn't always and I'm not sure why. The phenomenon has even been discussed on this very forum once or twice in the past.
So it seems for now it's best to select 1080p in the PS4 settings if you have a Pro. Good to know.
I sometimes get the "PC 30FPS feels worse" sentiments as well but after a bit of thought, it's easy to realise they often come from a mixture of these things:
1) The knowledge that PC version can go beyond 30FPS, when playing on console you just accept whatever framerate it is as you can't do anything about it. This one gets progressively worse if you've actually seen the game running at 30+ FPS yourself.
2) Using Kb/m at 30FPS
3) Sitting close to the monitor, the 30FPS juddery movement is more noticeable that up close.
4) In some cases it's frametime, which can obviously be solved easily
Basically except for frametime I think it's all subjective and placebo effects.
Does it make it feel like it was written by TellTale Borderlands game, if so, I maybe change the settings....
For me, EGS is a no forever and my shitty monitor doesn't deliver the quality of my 4k tv.
I'm playing off SSD on a One X in performance mode and I have no gripes. Admittedly, I don't play too many games at 60fps, so maybe I just don't know any better. All the same, calling the game unplayable on the Pro/X is hyperbole, surely?
If you watched the video and got that then surely you'd also know why it is like that seeing they mention it in the very sentence that it's likely because X is simply using the same settings as base but at higher resolution.
Why didn't used 4k CBR on Pro? I really don't get it some developers. If this games runs like this on pro with native 1800p, that's for sure in 4k CBR would be locked 30fps. Jesus Christ what a weird port.
Yup, performance mode is the only way on PS4 Pro for me. Definitely hope they are able to further improve the framerate, getting closer to the 60fps target more often. It's not perfect at the moment, but definitely muuuuch better and way more playable than the resolution mode.
My mate plays on PC a lot but when it comes to games like Destiny and this
He either double dips or plays with us on PS4/Xbox.
Actually he's a member here.
A 900p mode for the PS4 pro, thats strange, I think thats a 1st. Does it also run at 900p in the performance mode?
Yeah I doubt it will be anywhere near what Gears 5 did but it'll be better overall most likely.
No it doesn't. Not in my experience. It's very solid in resolution mode. If it's hanging that is either down to your network, the games connectivity bugs or some other fault.
I'm level 16 and it's rock solid for me. Not noticed any drops since I turned off social notifications. Admittedly before then it was horrible.
I doubt its intentional. It seems like optimization for the consoles was rushed so I wouldn't be surprised if in the next couple months things changed dramatically. Like if the Pro can't handle that resolution it should be lowered to provide a stable experience. Same goes for all performance modes and the Xbox One X should get the better assets as well.
I'm not so surprised that this run like this. Borderlands 2 new DLC is also really problematic when there is a lot going on the screen.
It just feels like this old consoles are giving up now, we need new hardware that specially shooter games can move forward without compromises.
It just feels like this old consoles are giving up now, we need new hardware that specially shooter games can move forward without compromises.
I'm level 28, on Eden-6, playing on a PS4 Pro/ Performance mode with HDR on and FOV set to 100. Unless things get really hairy and crazy, it's pretty much at 60 fps.
As Skittles and myself have mentioned earlier, turn off Social notifications and set your play session to Local only. You should get a noticeable boost in performance. I would definitely want to see that tested.
As Skittles and myself have mentioned earlier, turn off Social notifications and set your play session to Local only. You should get a noticeable boost in performance. I would definitely want to see that tested.
I haven't watched the video myself because I want to go in fresh as much as possible. But how "bad" does it look on X in terms of assets? How noticeable is it really?
I hate it when people do this, but I'm going to be "that" guy. I've been playing BL3 on my XB1X in performance mode, and it's been great. I've got about 5-6 hours of time in and I haven't had any major issues. The graphics look good to me and the frames have been smooth. I'm playing it off of an external SSD, so maybe that helps.
I have heard that co-op tends to be the biggest problem and I haven't done any co-op yet, so we'll see. I'm supposed to play with a friend tonight.
I have heard that co-op tends to be the biggest problem and I haven't done any co-op yet, so we'll see. I'm supposed to play with a friend tonight.
There definitely is a difference to me and I've been using the exact same TV for both my PC and consoles for the last 8 years.
You're playing it on the One X? It doesn't hang so much when in performance mode, having tons of issues in Res mode and my network is unrestricted 70 MB/s so I don't think it can be that. I'll try turning off the social nonsense mind :)
Yep. I have same feel that DF article does. It feels fine to me. Like solid. The first part with social stuff on was horrid mind. Not sure if it's just early game is poorly optimised or that the social trick works....
PS4 Pro when outputting at 1080p in the resolution mode currently renders at a native resolution of 1600x900. Note that this mode seems to run at a solid 30fps like the base PS4.
Resolution mode on the PS4 Pro is 1600x900? That can't be correct.
VG Tech says it's a bug in the comments for the video. It's outputting like a base PS4 in resolution mode with supersampling off, but outputting at 1080p in performance mode.
But there also seems to be a bug affecting performance mode that requires a restart. Their retest shows much improved performance in performance mode (consistent 60 that only dips to high 50s), but they don't specify if supersampling was on or not.
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