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DF Direct: PS5: The full technical specification
- Thread starter Thiago
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But not geometry rate, fill rate, cache bandwidth, shader utilization, I/O speed, audio acceleration, simplified memory access...
I'm excited to see what both these machines can do. They will both have amazing games with much greater graphic fidelity and sound than current gen. I believe the differences in power will not be as stark as they were with the power discrepancies between the Xbox One and PS4, but I could be wrong. We will need to wait and see.
One thing I do want to push back against is the idea that either of these consoles are just mini PC's. Both have lots of innovations and customizations. People who try to downplay the incredible work the engineers have put into either of these consoles don't have a clue what they are talking about.
One thing I do want to push back against is the idea that either of these consoles are just mini PC's. Both have lots of innovations and customizations. People who try to downplay the incredible work the engineers have put into either of these consoles don't have a clue what they are talking about.
One dev in the PS5 thread said he would take the SSD any time over a couple of TF
Yeah, when you know that (I work in IT), it's really boring fanboys constantly fighting for teraflops... It doesn't mean anything. You can get a much better performance with less teraflops. There are dozens of parameters in performance. Stop using this word you don't understand. Fight on games or technology. And learn from guys like DF.
The problem is...the PS5 costs €450 to produce per unit. Plus packaging etc. I can't imagine this being €400. That would mean Sony loses over 50$/€ per unit. That's more than they were losing per PS3 right? I know PS Plus gives them more money than the entire Xbox division to MS in comparison but is that something they would do?
This is sounding more and more like PS5 €500 and Xbox Series X 550/600€ or $ to me.
SSD crazy, Sony riding top of the wave with drive upgrades, Tempest should make for great sound, PS5 going to be incredible.
You can quote all the magic pixel fairy dust you want, but the proof will be in the games, which will run better and look better on XsX
Finished the video. Best breakdown and in-depth look yet. Fantastic job DF and Dark1x
Why are you comparing the Xbox One S with the PS4? It should be Xbox One vs PS4.
Your comparison misses the mark for a number of reasons though.
Firstly, the Tflop and performance delta was much greater with the PS4/Xbox One than it is with the XSX/PS5 (40% vs 16%).
Secondly, the clock speed difference of the One vs PS4 is far less too, with a 22% difference in clock speed with the PS5/XSX (2.23Ghz vs 1.825GHz) vs a 6.6% difference with the XO/PS4 (853 MHz vs 800 MHz).
Finally, the memory bandwidth and set up differences were far greater with the PS4/XO than they are going to be next gen too.
Why are you comparing the Xbox One S with the PS4? It should be Xbox One vs PS4.
Your comparison misses the mark for a number of reasons though.
Firstly, the Tflop and performance delta was much greater with the PS4/Xbox One than it is with the XSX/PS5 (40% vs 16%).
Secondly, the clock speed difference of the One vs PS4 is far less too, with a 22% difference in clock speed with the PS5/XSX (2.23Ghz vs 1.825GHz) vs a 6.6% difference with the XO/PS4 (853 MHz vs 800 MHz).
Finally, the memory bandwidth and set up differences were far greater with the PS4/XO than they are going to be next gen too.
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The way the PS5 "boosts" is in no way like most people think, like on PCs and smartphones. Cerny made that really clear and it's one of the first things they talk about in the DF video. It's not like the PS5 will run at 3.5GHz for two minutes, get too hot, and throttle down.
and if so will be the smallest difference in consoles we have ever seen.
IDK if SSD will help with that because you usually need all LOD of those in memory because there's so many instances of them in the map. (unless they make every spectator and tree unique, lol) Cardboard crowd and people aren't so much of a problem in GT sport but there's still some there if you look.
First thing I'd expect from the SSD is letting you zip through the whole line up of cars in the menu without any pauses, but I guess that's not very adventurous. For GT7 I expect raytracing to be the most impressive use of the new hardware, and they've already done a demo of it.
There was a MUCH larger difference (40%) compared to now (17%). Also, the XB1 had a near crippled RAM setup which hurt as much or more than the TF difference.
This why I said it's possible; Sony's first party output is normally insane so it could be the reverse, but it is possible that MS might have the graphical edge this time around although it will not be massive as the difference in stats in smaller than PS4 vs. Xbone.
Yes, PS5 may be ultimately faster in games due to the big SSD advantage in loading data and higher clock. No way to be sure right now.
It will certainly have the best audio, that's all we can say for now.
In DBZ terms, XSX is JIren with the power of friendship and the PS5 is Goku with Ultra Instinct.
Imagine Bloodborne with 1 second respawns
Imagine Bloodborne with 1 second respawns
What do you mean? Thats not what was said, they mentioned certified PS5 compatible drives are different, and a positive is that's it's not proprietary, but the cost and form factor could be an issue, and that it's still far away. Nothing really that can be concluded outside of that.
Ok but why would we trust a dev more than fanboys on a gaming forum ? Surely they know better.
Honestly that 36CU is most likely only there because of BC purposes and they just tried to push the clock speed as high as they could to make up for it. Console is inferior, that`s all there is to it. No pint in trying to pretend like some secret sauce SSD and 3D audio will anything.
The real joke will be if both consoles are priced the same!
The real joke will be if both consoles are priced the same!
I read a comment on reddit that stated the difference of TF between the consoles is due to the audio. Instead of adding more power to have audio on the chip, Sony made a dedicated chip for audio.
Jesus, there is a reason MS went to them for the 1X and series X. It's the same reason that Sony went to them for the PS5. DF gives a fair shake based on the tech provided and the results NOT the name on the box.
It should be noted that they give their criticisms and opinions with far more tact than the average ERA user. Keep doing your thing Dark and dictator.
Imagine thinking that "geometry rate, fill rate, cache bandwidth, shader utilization, I/O speed, audio acceleration, simplified memory access," and indeed anything other than pure graphics compute is "magic pixel fairy dust."
Yup. 360 Reality Audio is also available for many kinds of headphones not just Sony which is a similar approach to what Tempest engine is aiming for. The software analyzes your ear pics in real-time for use with Tidal, Deezer and other upcoming applications. With PS5, I expect there to be a similar app that lets you take pics with your phone, probably via a QR code and it will do it on the fly. Really phenomenal stuff, I'm really looking forward to testing out the already supplied sound profiles.
I'm pretty sure the Series X has a dedicated chip for audio too though
Won't ever know how impactful it was on performance.
Definitely won't make the ps5 more performant but the clock difference is more than twice as much (as a percent) and the TF difference is less than half as much (as a percent) so it should be 4-5x the gap closing of that gen. Whatever that impact was lol.
I wouldn't count on either PS5 or XSX being at that price.
Some ppl reeealy think and want this to be like this gen, lol. But muh tf!!!!
Still waiting to see how they handle suspend, resume tho. That was my next gen wish.
I'm satisfied with what I saw today, and in this clip.
There's nothing better to know lol. It's purely his opinion. I'm sure some devs feel similarly while other devs would prefer higher flops for higher resolution and better framerates. This isn't black and white. One isn't factually better than the other when it comes to a devs preference.
No. The XSX is the more powerful system no matter how one spins it.
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You must live under a rock.
Well you know, a really forward thinking and customer friendly implementation. And more.
Maybe you need to watch it again.
John said that about the Xbox card. Slight bout of amnesia?
Edit: 20:55 onwards.
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More like...
Both consoles do some things better than the other and we're pretty much splitting hairs at the differences.
I don't think so, more that it does some interesting stuff and the gap isn't that important to a lot of people, but it exists if that is your primary concern.
Seems like it. It's pretty fascinating though that the frequency rate will not be dictated by the temperature but by a power budgeting chip which will balance power between the CPU and GPU. This means someone playing in Alaska will have the exact same performance and frequency as someone in Mexico. Pretty cool stuff, but yeah overall ideally you wouldn't have to budget these clocks and have them fixed like the XSX.