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Destiny 2 Shadowkeep will require a total of 165gb storage space
- Thread starter Strakt
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The Taken King opening still gives me chills
I have 6mbps internet with 150gb data cap from AT&T, and I played a ton of Destiny 1 and 2 with friends.
So your theory is that an experienced development studio like Bungie, staffed by industry veterans, are either a) so naive that they are not aware of lossless texture compression, or b) willingly avoiding it in favor of uncompressed image and/or audio data, a technical blunder that would result in a minimum of 2x game data sizes, in some vague service of their GaaS business model? Are they charging for skins by byte? Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
There's no real reason in this day and age to have a game take up THAT much space, especially when a lot of pc gamers using SSD's have storage space limitations. On top of this you have the data caps that affect many people, and this eats a ton of that away.
To put it into perspective, the entire size of The Witcher 3 + Hearts of Stone + Blood and Wine is around 50gb.
The game has far more "content" then Destiny 2 in terms of quests/dialogue, etc.
There's really no reason for the size to be that large outside of simply they choose not to use compression.
Good thing I have 2TB on my XBX1. Guess I should invest though in a larger external for next gen this Black Friday.
Bring it on, I hope Shadowkeep is loaded with content. I got a 500GB 860EVO SSD for the games I play the most. (D2, Halo, Overwatch and any game I'm currently going through).
I think it will take the top spot for biggest game size from Quantum Break (159.2GB with the episode pack on the One X).
I think it will take the top spot for biggest game size from Quantum Break (159.2GB with the episode pack on the One X).
I mean, wasn't one of the issues with Destiny 1 something like they would have to re-render or something an entire zone map if they moved a single rock or something due to their engine/toolkit? Doesn't seem inconceivable that Bungie might not be compressing their assets or their compression isn't good.
PS5 will not use HDD. It will be an SSD so probably 1TB. Buy however much additional storage you need for backup.
I agree with you on the compression, but Bungie still needlessly wastes hard drive space with the game in other ways:
* The game installs high resolution 4K textures even if you're on a setup that doesn't use 4K/use low graphics settings that will never see the high resolution textures.
* The game installs language files for every language, even if you will only play on 1 language.
Many other games make the 1st one optional (e.g. Witcher 3) and only download the language files for the language you use your system in.
It's been a few months, but last I checked if Bungie only installed 1 language worth of files it'd reduce the current file size by like 15GB. Only using heavily compressed textures and giving people the option to install the higher resolution ones would reduce the current file size by ~20-25 GB. If they did both Forsaken would only be ~45-50GB total, which while still a lot is actually on par with MMORPG's like World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy XIV.
It's probably already been said, but this is about the PS4 version, which even for something like the current version of the game, ends up needing quite a bit more space for installation due to the method by which PS4 games are installed.
This is up to date with the current version of the game. I just checked the folder on my PC.
The bit in the OP is from the PSN page for Shadowkeep.
Whereas this is from the Steam page for Shadowkeep.
The game isn't doubling in size from a single expansion.
This is up to date with the current version of the game. I just checked the folder on my PC.
The bit in the OP is from the PSN page for Shadowkeep.
Whereas this is from the Steam page for Shadowkeep.
The game isn't doubling in size from a single expansion.
That steam page is only for Shadowkeep and possibly Osiris and Warmind. It definitely is not including Forsaken. It says 105 GB minimum, so it's unclear which of the mentioned dlc it is including.It's probably already been said, but this is about the PS4 version, which even for something like the current version of the game, ends up needing quite a bit more space for installation due to the method by which PS4 games are installed.
This is up to date with the current version of the game. I just checked the folder on my PC.
The bit in the OP is from the PSN page for Shadowkeep.
Whereas this is from the Steam page for Shadowkeep.
The game isn't doubling in size from a single expansion.
That's not how Destiny works. You don't pick and choose what to install. It installs it all and locks you out of what you don't have.
And what makes you think that Shadowkeep is bigger than 18GB?
Even lossless compression takes CPU time to decompress, which could lead to longer load times or pop-in issues, right? If so it could be a deliberate decision without being a technical blunder
Yeah this makes much more sense. Around 18 gb for expansion sounds about right.It's probably already been said, but this is about the PS4 version, which even for something like the current version of the game, ends up needing quite a bit more space for installation due to the method by which PS4 games are installed.
This is up to date with the current version of the game. I just checked the folder on my PC.
The bit in the OP is from the PSN page for Shadowkeep.
Whereas this is from the Steam page for Shadowkeep.
The game isn't doubling in size from a single expansion.
Not sure if serious.
All indications are, that is are massive overhaul of nigh on everything.
I was going to install Destiny on my PC today since it's F2P at this point for the base game but once I saw the download size I laughed and closed the Blizzard client.
Nah, a lot of people just concern trolling. They know if they want to download a big game they just let that shit roll overnight while they sleep. That would be true if it was 80GB of 180GB.
The bigger issue would be storage capacity. If people are still rocking 500GB drives, they might have some decisions to make.
Imagine thinking you were going to sit there and watch a whole modern, AAA game download in a few minutes while you read your email. Surely you're smarter than that, but dunno maybe not.
Cannot believe anyone thought the 165gb was the size of just the new expansion, on top of the current Destiny 2 install. This is the Division 2 launch patch debacle all over again.
....literally no one realizes that Shadowkeep itself is not going to be 165? What is the first page of this thread. It sounds like people actually think that.
Destiny has really high quality audio. It also has a ton of locations, models, and high resolution textures. Like, a ton of different textures. It's a large game. There is a lot of content right now, and they're going to be adding even more. Textures and models for the moon and the new Shadowkeep itself, much of that completely distinct from anything else in the game. Even the hive enemies have new models too. Plus the raid takes place in the black garden, so now you have all that content, higher res than it was in D1 afaik.
It's funny because of how many people want them to just keep it one game instead of making a sequel. Like. Guys, if they're going to constantly update this game, now with TWO GAME-SIZED EXPANSIONS if you include the free content that keeps being added in terms of gigabytes, this is what is going to happen. It's going to balloon in size. And with a game this high fidelity, it's gonna happen quicker.
Destiny has really high quality audio. It also has a ton of locations, models, and high resolution textures. Like, a ton of different textures. It's a large game. There is a lot of content right now, and they're going to be adding even more. Textures and models for the moon and the new Shadowkeep itself, much of that completely distinct from anything else in the game. Even the hive enemies have new models too. Plus the raid takes place in the black garden, so now you have all that content, higher res than it was in D1 afaik.
It's funny because of how many people want them to just keep it one game instead of making a sequel. Like. Guys, if they're going to constantly update this game, now with TWO GAME-SIZED EXPANSIONS if you include the free content that keeps being added in terms of gigabytes, this is what is going to happen. It's going to balloon in size. And with a game this high fidelity, it's gonna happen quicker.
I mean it's Destiny, so I'm not surprised.
Queue people lambasting me for being a fanboy even though like...phew you should see some of the criticisms I've had of this game. Sorry I don't like people being completely dumb about stuff.
Where did I say I thought it would take a few minutes? Surely you're smarter than that, but dunno maybe not.
unhuh. ok. I'm sure you were starting that download in the middle of the day with no expectations of playing at all.
your deep concerns about the size of the game are noted. start it and go to bed or stop wasting our time.
lol
Yuuuuuup. If they had an artstyle/fidelity of something like Overwatch, it'd be a lot easier. But they don't. Lots of high poly stuff you are able to get close to. That stuff has to get stored somewhere.
It's just the nature of this type of game. First person + high fidelity assets + high quality audio and lots of it + like 7 or 8 locations NOT including raids, which have their own distinct models and things.
But "c o m p r e s s i o n" is going to magically make that half the size. Definitely. Compression just is magic. Sorry thems the facts.
how much is Bungie paying you for this schilling?
im sorry i just wanted the freakin soltice glows
Take the L and move on, you're desperately making shit up in an attempt to defend the download size while also being ignorant of how long it can take to get these file sizes outside of your 1st world bubble. Literally putting words in my mouth and jumping to conclusions; embarrassing.
Not a single person that I've seen in this thread thought that.
Why are you being so argumentative? And who is 'our' in your condescending response?
Given how disingenuous people get in Destiny threads? Yeah that's a ding ding ding ding ding right there.
Also I'm just. I love how you cannot escape this idea that Destiny should just be one game forever and ever, but then like, no one realizes how utterly impractical that is. For this very reason. This isn't a 2D platformer that can infinitely receive new texture packs. This is a high fidelity fps that they are adding content too. Like. Literally the biggest type of game I can think of. How is this not going to happen?
People are just so silly. Bumgee bad at depcompressionz. just magic it bumgee. just use the compressor.
Now obviously man I don't know exactly how low they could make it. I'm not in the profession of compressing video games. But I do know that this is...kinda what I expected from a game of this type and I genuinely can't understand why people are so aghast.
AND THIS IS EVEN MORE HILARIOUS BECAUSE BUNGIE HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN KEEPING DOWNLOADS SMALL.
They have to host the damn game. They have to entice people to download it. They still have, as you mention, many industry veterans with knowledge down to the metal of how their engine and these systems work. It is in their best interest to make the game small.
But hurr I don't know anything about making games but LAZY DEVS BUNGIE CAN'T PHOTOSHOP SAVE AS COMPRESSED PNG JPEG.
EDIT: oh I just now saw how you got a "umad?" post in response. As if...you sounded angry at all? Or as if that does anything to address what you said? is this literally GameFAQ?
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Good fucking lord I swear no one in this thread ever knows a thing about how installation works. The 165GB number accounts for the temporary space the systems need to decompress and move files, especially on PS4. Currently the game is sub 90GB on PC and yet official system requirement said you need more than 100GB.
Yeah even with the dumb af way PS4 downloads content, this is an update. Afaik it doesn't completely redownload the ENTIRE game every time you update it. Given whether you buy shadowkeep or not you are getting the content as this is an online multiplayer game, shadowkeep is thus an update, then this is going to come in the form of an update. The UPDATE will be double in size. So if you have an 80GB game going to 100GB, you'd need 120, not 200.
The PS4 physically would be like, DOA if it had to redownload entire games every time it had an update.
Heck this was a major problem with Windows 10 store, since it was made for small apps. But that's not how the PS4 has ever worked.
I hope this is true, those are an eyesore in the game all the way up to forsaken.
I totally get how this can be bad for people with data caps or slow internet. Internet infrastructure is not that great in many places.
However this shouldn't be that surprising. Games have gotten huge this gen. It will be even bigger next gen. The cost of having more content and bigger files in modern games. Hopefully talk about streaming games while they download is a good workaround for some next gen.
However this shouldn't be that surprising. Games have gotten huge this gen. It will be even bigger next gen. The cost of having more content and bigger files in modern games. Hopefully talk about streaming games while they download is a good workaround for some next gen.
To play Destiny you have to have everything downloaded, even if you don't own all the expansions. So, if it's 105GB on Steam then I bet it'll end up being about that on consoles too.
This looks like Shadowkeep will be a 80GB patch on PS4 that will take like 2hrs to finish 'copying' and end up being about 100GB overall.
