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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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The most frustrating part of republicans doing their victory lap about this mess is that they themselves have had their own history of fuck-ups and accusations of conspiracy when it comes to the Iowa caucus, but of course short political memories will treat this as a purely democrat issue.
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62% of the results in does not equal a win
The Democrats are doing exactly what they did in 2016. Very visibly trying to make it seem like Sanders isn't popular then can whine when his supporters don't run to them in the general.
there is a paper trail right?
mostly everything should back up the final results.
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I think this time it's even more blatant though. In part because he has a better chance of actually winning.
yeah... so far 62%
total votes
Bernie 27,088 votes
Pete 23,666 votes
you won't take the full results seriously when they're reported because of "what happened" and a conflict of interest, even though everything connected to the app is irrelevant because they're going through and hand-counting the paper tallies instead of using the app?
2016 Sanders lost the primary vote all on his own. Always with conspiracy shit.
How much of an affect do yall think that last Iowa poll that had Pete in third behind Sanders and Warren getting cancelled had on the final vote? Enough to eke out a delegate win for Pete? Non-factor?
Seems crazy to me that they are not releasing data on a percent level with the info they do have out, especially with people questioning the process. I'm sure almost every precinct had at least one person take a picture of the vote tally's, and it would go a long way to quieting those who think anything nefarious was going on.
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And of course the receipts prove otherwise:
I didn't say it was rigged. I just see a conflict of interest.
Fine, Pete won. I don't know why I didn't expect Pete to win.
Non-factor, because aside from "people who were planning to go to caucus 48 hours later but only decide based on what this specific poll says" is not a statistically significant group, anyone who is that easily swayed would be open to persuasion/peer pressure in the actual caucus.
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So, basically, the way this would typically go down is that Pete would be presented as the come-from-behind winner of Iowa, which is a very good thing to be. Polls have been showing Sanders winning, Pete falling off, everybody in the media would go gaga for him all over again, huge rush of donors, all that.
Instead, the headlines are mostly about the caucuses being a mess. No shiny media spotlight. Toss in the fact that a significant portion of the twitterverse is doing their best to tie Pete's campaign to the app and its developers, and like... this has done him absolutely no favors. Might have killed any shot he had, frankly, which was never much.
The thing for me is that this whole mess seems to have hurt him. Hard to argue a conflict of interest like this when it works against you.
That shit's just cruel.
This seems like such horseshit, been stuck at 62% for 2.5 hours (24hrs after the actual elections). It seems like the Iowa Democratic Party is trying to paint a picture of Buttigieg winning for as long as possible before Bernie over takes. All the news outlets keep mentioning Buttigieg winning without really mentioning that they results are meaningless at the moment.
Please stop pushing wild conspiracy theories just because conflicts of interest just so happen to be one of the foundations of corruption in business/politics.
Next you'll be telling us that the US aid to Venezuela was in fact illegal, Guaido has had meetings recently with the far right, and that there was actually a coup in Bolivia.
It's not really a conspiracy theory if you can clearly see the contradiction in the tweets, no? But I really don't want to derail the thread. I learned about the original tweet in this very same thread yesterday - so it isn't new to this conversation.
Pete is basically a younger Biden without the gaffes. Bernie and Warren are taking each other's votes, one of them will need to drop if Pete continues to gain momentum.
what are the actual mechanisms of this, bearing in mind that the app is now out of the picture? would you qualify Pete buying a mass texting software from the company last year as more of a conflict of interest than, say, Bernie complaining about Jeff Bezos while his campaign was making tons of purchases from Amazon dot com?
Pete has his own gaffes. He just generally doesn't have the same exposure Biden does, and the expectations are generally lower.
He's polling at 0% with Black voters. Pete was grown in a vat in the DNC labs just to win Iowa
do you think they're not going to report the final totals. do you think it's not going to come up going into new hampshire. do you think the candidate who won is not going to talk about. folks keep being all "the narrative this" "the narrative that" seem to think the next primary is tonight or something.
It kinda becomes a win for Bernie if he gets the most votes and an equal number of delegates tbh
I see stuff like this but in reality the "minority vote" was rock solid for Hillary in that last election?? Why is it framed like somehow minority vote saves the party from old school centrism, but in reality it killed Sanders, left us with Hillary and ultimately we ended up with Trump winning the election.
In terms of electability I see a fork in the road with like 5 bad options. Each path looks dark and gloomy in its own unique way. I really can't make sense of who I want to win right now. Biden better find his stride in South Carolina because he may very well be the nominee and he's looking lethargic as hell like there's little fight in him.
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