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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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The timing of "Warren drops out, Media Matters explain how Warren got the candidates to boycott Fox, Sanders does Fox Town Hall once Warren is out of race" was pretty blatant.
Using Hilary avatars after her transphobic statements and the whole using slaves thing to own progressives is something I really don't get.
I do and what about it? I'm not sure what difference that makes to what I said and was responding to.
The centrist political establishment and media will always do their best to stop someone like Sanders from winning. It makes sense. He is not in their best interests. However, we are still in a close primary and yet I see normal people who are supposedly progressive sit here and shit on the one person remaining who has any sort of left principles. Now these people are either true believers in centrist politics (we know the regulars in this thread who are) or they are those who have been browbeaten or scared with straight up lies or half truths into supporting the wrong candidate by the media class and establishment. A candidate who fails to live up to their own progressive standards. Just some of those lies and half truths being "voters won't vote for a socialist", "Biden is a safe choice because Southern states (who's votes won't matter in the general) are up in their voter turnout!", "America is too racist to enact policies that benefit everyone" etc.
Obviously it depends on who I'm talking to. People who know better I would say yes I have little patience for. Random person I talk to on the street who I don't know that is like "yeah I'm going Joe Biden because I like Obama and I think we need someone like that to beat Trump" I wouldn't be a dick to. It would frustrate me a bit, but I don't know much about them otherwise so I would listen to their concerns. But person who posts a lot in threads like this? Who clearly watches a lot of news media and essentially claims to know a lot about all this? Or some NYT columnist on Twitter vouching for Joe? Yeah I'll be as dickish as is permissible. Warren I was increasingly iffy on until this past week. Now yes I would be a dick to her and maybe her supporters, again depending on what they are saying. Whatever that actually means when we are talking about public figures who are trying to work for us. I assume saying she betrayed the progressive movement and will go down as one of the most disappointing candidates in history for the American left would be considered dickish which i'm fine with.
I don't know, you quoted it, why are you asking that question when the answer is right in your face?
Agreed, the avatars are wholeley uneccesary. But this is probably metacommentary, yeah?
I've just given you an example of the socialists bread-and-butter - white working class in non-capital cities - not voting for a progressive, and that is due in no small part to racism/xenophobia. Corbyn - who many were comparing to Bernie - lost. And Bernie is in worse shape than Corbyn, because at least the youth turned out for Corbyn.
Also, this:
is life. If you can't win a Primary, how do you expect to win a general?
Ice. Cold.
I will never get complacent. Not after 2016.
Everyone is just in a anxious mood for Tuesday, at least tomorrow we get to talk about results 👀
Data for Progress on Twitter
“Michigan Results: Biden - 59 Sanders - 38 Gabbard - 2 Idaho Results: Biden - 51 Sanders - 47 Gabbard - 1 N: 320 MI, 329 ID, fielded 3/7 to 3/9 text to web https://t.co/AiPeA7SeRY”
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DFP polls for Michigan and Idaho.
Michigan
Biden - 59 Sanders - 38 Gabbard - 2
Idaho
Biden - 51 Sanders - 47 Gabbard - 1
Good point, anything can still happen, it just seems like a perfect storm to hurt him in the general.
I can't abide by people who say Warren betrayed the progressive cause
1) Warren headed the CFPB.
2) Warren stuck to her guns with Fox News costing them upfront ad buys.
3) Warren put out meaningful achievable plans to M4A.
4) Warren has been consistently for enhancing gun regulation and safety laws.
5) Has established relationships with a large network of democratic legislators in order to get progressive legislation through
6) doesn't feel comfortable endorsing either candidate right now
Bernie
1) Has more than a few times voted in line with what gun manufacturers and the NRA want
2) appeared on Fox News frequently in town halls even when no other candidate participates.
3) has constantly trashed potential allies as establishment if they take an action not in line with his approach
I don't see how you can make the claim it's Warren who is betraying progressive causes unless you say the progressive cause is Bernie himself and not his policies.
1) Warren headed the CFPB.
2) Warren stuck to her guns with Fox News costing them upfront ad buys.
3) Warren put out meaningful achievable plans to M4A.
4) Warren has been consistently for enhancing gun regulation and safety laws.
5) Has established relationships with a large network of democratic legislators in order to get progressive legislation through
6) doesn't feel comfortable endorsing either candidate right now
Bernie
1) Has more than a few times voted in line with what gun manufacturers and the NRA want
2) appeared on Fox News frequently in town halls even when no other candidate participates.
3) has constantly trashed potential allies as establishment if they take an action not in line with his approach
I don't see how you can make the claim it's Warren who is betraying progressive causes unless you say the progressive cause is Bernie himself and not his policies.
^ haha
Yep don't stay home because you're secure Biden will win it. Vote no matter how safe the poll margins say it is.
Yep don't stay home because you're secure Biden will win it. Vote no matter how safe the poll margins say it is.
Should be the overwhelming takeaway people have from 2016. Never count your eggs before they hatch.
Hey the betting markets think you might get your chance to not vote for her!
Data for Progress on Twitter
“Michigan Results: Biden - 59 Sanders - 38 Gabbard - 2 Idaho Results: Biden - 51 Sanders - 47 Gabbard - 1 N: 320 MI, 329 ID, fielded 3/7 to 3/9 text to web https://t.co/AiPeA7SeRY”
DFP polls for Michigan and Idaho.
Michigan
Biden - 59 Sanders - 38 Gabbard - 2
Idaho
Biden - 51 Sanders - 47 Gabbard - 1
Another 20+ poll win in Michigan and Idaho finally leaning Biden.
Avatar shaming is doing something along the lines of thinking all people with anime avatars are creeps. Asking why people are using the avatars of a slave using transphobe on a site that's supposed to be inclusive seems like a fair question?
One thing I'd note is that young people don't care about primaries, either because they're not politically involved enough or they don't know what they are, how important they are, or when they are. Even regular general election voters don't necessarily care about primaries. We can guess that youth turnout might have been bad in November with Bernie, but it might not have been. It's hard to say because there's not a lot of precedent to look at.
Seems like being a full time member of the party could help that goal along a bit.
Some combination of belief in the anti-establishment vote, and Bernie polling we'll head to head against Trump. It is a weird tone that some Sanders supporters take, as if the primary is some trivial hurdle as long as he can gin up a plurality. If he was only electable in a wide field of a bunch of candidates splitting the vote, then he wasn't really electable. And it's why Biden snapped up everything else so seamlessly and easily.
or even a half measure of not constantly trashing the party
If you think it violates the rules you should report it. Deflecting criticism to "no u" based on their avatar isn't really conducive to discussion.
Also, Hillary "half ass" apologized for the transphobic stuff for whatever that's worth.
Sure, but just imagine how powerful the party and a large grassroots movement working together to make progressive change would be. Unfortunately we get one or the other because everything is sports teams.
We know how the youth turnout is in other elections. This isn't a primary-only thing.
lol no
Looks like Biden is going to have an '18-like wave election that gives Dems control of the Senate. How about if we all vote for the candidate and get to repairing the judiciary?
Fuck all sports and sports thinking tbh. I've written before about how much more potent I think Sanders could have been if he'd dedicated himself to transforming the party from the inside, AOC-style.
I've been asking this question for four years now and still can't get a good answer.
eh, that was because Biden was dealing with the death of his son. But yes, if Biden ran that year instead of Hillary, there's a good chance this could have been avoided.
The DNC is a harder opponent than the whole Republican establishment.
keep the politics out of the political thread, bucko
Primaries and General Elections are different beasts. Both Bernie and Biden poll well H2H against Trump, and Bernie generally outpolled Hillary against Trump in 2016 even while losing the primary.
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I am amused that talking about a current candidate for office has questions regarding his ability to govern instantly causes deflections to a users avatar.
That is very constructive conversation, maybe Sanders should use that when he's given a tough question? Just talk about Clinton!
That is very constructive conversation, maybe Sanders should use that when he's given a tough question? Just talk about Clinton!
It seems to me that Democrats as a party just isn't feeling the Bern. If these margins hold, getting dogwalked in two straight primaries rises above DNC malfeasance.
Is it weird that Bernie's healthcare stand hasn't given him a boost during the Corona panic?
You'd figure a lot of policies would gain momentum with this looming crisis. M4A, paid family leave, and UBI seeming like the big three to me.
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