It's not like Bernie was going to be some legendary hero to save us. He can't even win a primary campaign against fucking Joe Biden.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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It's not like Bernie was going to be some legendary hero to save us. He can't even win a primary campaign against fucking Joe Biden.
How is Bloomberg powerful? He has 60 B dollars and has flooded super Tuesday with ads and it has seemed as though Biden was getting stomped for months, thus the room for a moderate to rise. It isn't CNN/MSNBC/etc. that did that, I have never in my life seen more paid ads by a candidate in my life. Its like I live in Iowa but I live in fucking Texas and see a Bloomberg mail add 1-2x a day.
Dear god ad money must be doing well, what minority would vote for Bloomberg....
I'm so done with politics, the fact that people are able to support Joe Biden as a candidate to beat Trump after Hilary losing blows my fuckin mind. The fact that Bloomberg can spend 550 million dollars to get delegates in an election and nobody sees anything wrong with that blows my fuckin mind.
In all of CNNs exit polls people want huge economic changes and medicare for all yet Biden is winning the states. I'm going to vote this last election and just be done because clearly America can't get it's shit together. There are two candidates that could've actually fixed things and neither of them is winning even though most their ideas poll extremely well by democrats independents and republicans.
Boutta just worry about getting rich before I die from not being able to afford medicine.
In all of CNNs exit polls people want huge economic changes and medicare for all yet Biden is winning the states. I'm going to vote this last election and just be done because clearly America can't get it's shit together. There are two candidates that could've actually fixed things and neither of them is winning even though most their ideas poll extremely well by democrats independents and republicans.
Boutta just worry about getting rich before I die from not being able to afford medicine.
I don't think Biden has been running as a "do nothing candidate" that would be pretty silly of him tbh
1. The DNC ran a fair primary
2. That would split the ticket and fuck over everyone hurt by Trump for another 4 years
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People saying "Well MORE PEOPLE just wanted Biden!" are ignoring the obvious ploy that was the last-second drop outs and endorsements by Buttigieg and Klobuchar. They were turned into sacrificial lambs at the behest of the DNC because they saw Biden win one state and saw they had one chance to stop Sanders. Buttigieg was ahead of Biden in multiple states and he just up and dropped out like that? It's more than coincidental.
The DNC wants Sanders stopped, plain and simple, and they're willing to sacrifice generations of goodwill and elections if it means stopping the party from going further left. They'd rather see Trump in office than Bernie. They make more money that way.
The DNC wants Sanders stopped, plain and simple, and they're willing to sacrifice generations of goodwill and elections if it means stopping the party from going further left. They'd rather see Trump in office than Bernie. They make more money that way.
I'm a little surprised that this hasn't sunk in yet to the majority after four years. If you don't want whatever good policies Biden brings to the table to be undone again once the next republican gets back in office, the system and the wheels that power it (money) need to change. Unfortunately, Biden is not the one to do bring that change. So it's just a matter of time for that seesaw to go back to where we are today, even if he clutches it out against Trump.
I don't know. I was all for that in 2016, but I don't think that's good enough now. Even if he does get the nomination and win he's going to have to spend a lot of time and political capital just trying to undo the 4 years of damage from Trump. Pragmatism and half measures with an increasingly hostile, just shy of fascist opposing party doesn't really seem like it's going to cut it.
jeebus this thread is something
yall got like 8 months to get it together, dems were winking at bloomberg for a little bit there as a not-sanders option, biden is bad and the implications for the democratic party going with part 2 electric boogaloo are awful but good lord vote trump out
yall got like 8 months to get it together, dems were winking at bloomberg for a little bit there as a not-sanders option, biden is bad and the implications for the democratic party going with part 2 electric boogaloo are awful but good lord vote trump out
Of course it matters. It's all a numbers game. If Pete and Klob stay in, Warren drops and endorses Bernie with the side of the party, they split the moderate vote and Bernie walks to the nomination.
I thought the conspiracy shit in 2016 was absurd, but it was pretty transparent what was going on this time and I suspect it will have a lingering effect and be part of what gives us another 4 years of Trump.
Because it's the DNC's fault that Bernie didn't expand his coalition past what he had in 2016. It's the DNC's fault that Bernie didn't really improve his numbers with Black voters from what he had in 2016, leading to almost the exact same situation from 4 years ago once again.
As others have pointed out, it's not about fixing things at that point, it's about not letting things get worse.
We need a green new deal so bad. Biden won't do fuck all about climate change. We are all fucked. This planet will be unlivable by the end of the century if we don't take drastic action now. We cant wait another decade for a real progressive to take office.
Wtf are you talking about? Trump made Nazis a thing again, completely crippled the world order, crippled the global economy, crippling the planet with his anti-environmental policies. Trump has made the Middle East situation even worse with his and Jared's godawful decisions. Trump has also propped up Kim Jong Un and Putin to the detriment of long time allies such as the EU, Canada, Japan and South Korea.
If Bernie loses the primary to this degree I'm not sure why a home would think he would have stood a chance in the GE
Don't give up man. Vote local and vote for your beliefs. Keep up the fight man
I mean really though. People live in their Era bubble and forget there is a whole country out there.
Fuck tonight.
I can't get over that some people look at Biden and go "that's my guy". He's an awful human and terrible piece of shit. Worst of all, he's going to lose to Trump.
Nobody is excited to vote for Biden like Trump's base is excited to vote for him.
I can't get over that some people look at Biden and go "that's my guy". He's an awful human and terrible piece of shit. Worst of all, he's going to lose to Trump.
Nobody is excited to vote for Biden like Trump's base is excited to vote for him.
Maybe, but it's surely better than leaving Trump to do even more damage?
Massive youth turnout and appeal of socialism to independents.
Republicans wouldn't elect Reagan, Democrats wouldn't elect Obama (or FDR); what a wild time to be alive.
If you want all those things you should probably vote against Trump.
It makes my head hurt when other Dems accuse others in the party who implore them to still vote for expired Biden as "being in it just for the told you so's." Like I'm becoming extremely put off by our political system and much of it is because of how some in the "left leaning" party cant see that sometimes, you HAVE to drink the expired milk before you can move forward. Revolutions don't happen anymore. Not in this sedated and overworked age we live in. The only way change is made is through painfully slow as fuck progress, or unfortunate(sometimes avoidable) catastrophe.
Occasionally a candidate comes along with strong support who could change things for the better, but the reality is the masses arent ready for such "radical" change yet.
And so those ideas trickle into public discourse for the next time around. In the meantime we drink the expired milk, knowing that we survived and avoided the shit sandwich. I would love for some zeitgeist to occur overnight that gets young voters out and changes the minds of many a moderate, but in reality that will not happen. Not in this country.
So if it comes to it, vote for expired biden to avoid shit sandwich trump and wait for 5 star sub AOC or other to push us further away from the stone ages. Thems the breaks yall.
Occasionally a candidate comes along with strong support who could change things for the better, but the reality is the masses arent ready for such "radical" change yet.
And so those ideas trickle into public discourse for the next time around. In the meantime we drink the expired milk, knowing that we survived and avoided the shit sandwich. I would love for some zeitgeist to occur overnight that gets young voters out and changes the minds of many a moderate, but in reality that will not happen. Not in this country.
So if it comes to it, vote for expired biden to avoid shit sandwich trump and wait for 5 star sub AOC or other to push us further away from the stone ages. Thems the breaks yall.
Moderate democrats dropped out and endorsed the most promising moderate candidate in the race
Are you pretending that candidates strategically withdrawing and endorsing candidates they share more ideological with is untoward? Are you also then pretending that Warren's voteshare has been anywhere close to making up the delta between Biden and Bernie in the states Bernie is getting stomped on?
Things need to actively get better to avoid climate change. Without that, the choice is just between different flavors of doom.
I don't like and don't want Biden. But people are rightfully very, very scared of what a Trump second term would look like and they need and want your help. Keep pushing, keep showing up. I'm hoping Biden chooses a progressive VP, wins then doesn't stay in office too long.
Honestly, I understand why people would be frustrated. We're not talking about small differences in policy here. Bernie getting elected could potentially mean a historic, near revolutionary change for the United States. It would benefit low income people and in fact everybody. I'm not even American, but looking from the outside, I think giving up Bernie (or Warren, really) is akin to going back to the dark ages.
Lmao Pete was the most old-fashioned politician in the late race after the literal centrist VP.
B-b-but Blacks hate Bernie!
Yeah this is just factually untrue. He has gone into detail multiple times on town halls and online. If your health plan is simple enough to detail in full in a 70 second debate answer, it's not a good plan.
Ah i forgot, that sucks.
If I were a White House employee I'd already be getting nervous about Bring Your Daughter To Work Day 2021.
The first of those two things isn't happening enough in the primaries.
I mean, Biden being competitive in texas with Bloomer taking 20% of the vote kinda gives some reason. California needs to be a +20 Bernie rout at this point.
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