Nah, I absolutely won't vote for Joe Biden. I've had that position for two years now and, looking at the numbers, I think that I'm not alone.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Nah, I absolutely won't vote for Joe Biden. I've had that position for two years now and, looking at the numbers, I think that I'm not alone.
I guess Warren's ego is too big to drop out and support Bernie. Damn shame as it would have boosted him further and we would have a clear progressive candidate vs what is now THE moderate candidate. Now votes will be splintered tomorrow and it's pretty much impossible for her to win at this point.
a lot is that stake. you should vote for the nominee. its okay to threaten not to but you should pull the trigger at the end of the day
"Not an insignificant amount of Bernie supporters"
Boy howdy- I didn't realize how much a few people on an internet gaming forum represent.
But please, continue your narrative nonsense
Based on? I've looked after a lot of dementia patients and have worked on dementia specific wards and that doesn't qualify me to diagnose someone with dementia based on watching a few clips of them. Not sure what can be gained by armchair diagnosis like that anyway.
Dude, he makes mistakes all the time, it's not just the stutter. Now I'm not claiming he has dementia, but this campaign is long and hard, folks that are a little over half his age have a tough time, it's going to take a toll, and he's going to keep having these lapses. I mean Joe misspoke and basically erased half the US population, gun violence took everyone out.
So if those voters are unreliable and will only vote for Bernie, but other voters are more "rational" and will basically vote blue no matter who...by definition, doesn't that mean Bernie would get more votes, and he has a better case to be the nominee? He pulls in the unreliable voters, and the reliable voters will vote blue anyway?
Like, it seems like everyone looks at "Bust" voters and gets the completely wrong takeaway from it.
On the other hand, if the idea is that Bernie would somehow turn off tons of other voters, so that they suddenly won't vote blue anymore...then why pretend like Bernie supporters are the only "Bust" voters? Why does the majority of posts and the majority of news articles pretend like this is a Bernie-specific thing?
(of course, I think the likely answer is that Bernie voters are just more online than others, and don't care about "decorum" as much, so you're more likely to hear it vocalized, lol)
The "they" here is the party electorate. And the person is exciting enough to bring more of them to the polls should win. There are many parts of many processes that failed to bring us to Trump. They go back for decades, no doubt, but I am not sure what else the DNC is supposed to do here other than have people vote in a primary.
Again, it's gross you peddle this threat against people, let alone such an inflated number to "scare" folks.
And we know for certain that he wouldn't be if the candidate who got less votes in the primary had been our nominee over the candidate who got the most votes!
I'm going to vote downticket (my rep is a solid progressive and deserves my support) but not Biden for president. I don't trust him to fight for progressive values and I share almost none of his politics.
Absolutely. That goes all ways. The nominee should work to bring in their opponents' voters. Maybe a Biden/Warren ticket is in order in that case, even though that's a damn old ticket. Platform changes on criminal justice reform, marijuana legalization, and some foreign policy gives are probably a get.
I do agree today has been a rough day but people shouldn't give up all hope this easily. The campaigns will run their course and many things can happen along the way.
And all things considered, there is a much worse choice out there still (Bloomberg).
And all things considered, there is a much worse choice out there still (Bloomberg).
I've voted straight D for 19 years. Every last city, county, state, and federal election. I was as reliable as it got.
I will no longer be supporting the Democrats if they put up another corporate shill like Biden who will gladly fuck the poor and disabled like me. I am okay with the party completely dying off if they refuse to actually support the working class and continue to be party over country and the rich over actual people. I will not vote for someone who would work with Republicans to gut Social Security and Medicare, systems I rely on. I am done with this nonsense and they cannot get me back with their same old shit. I will not vote for a man like Biden who would happily leave me dead on the side of the road while the rich get richer and it's absurd that anyone ask me to do so.
i can't tell if people are more angry that Bernie lost the south carolina vote so handily or if the consolidation means the writing is on the wall because, once again, Bernie didn't appeal to African American voters.
I admit it's anecdotal, a lot of politics is. But it's a sentiment I see frequently enough online to mention it. I personally don't see that many visible Sanders supporters IRL, so of course my judgement will skewed towards what I see online.
Everybody should have been preparing for a Biden nomination since last year.
Hopefully Bernie pulls it out, I'll be voting him in Florida (originally going for Warren), but I've been prepared for Biden to win for a while.
Hopefully Bernie pulls it out, I'll be voting him in Florida (originally going for Warren), but I've been prepared for Biden to win for a while.
Do got to imagine how bad Canadian Politics are when this didn't sink his career, like shit even Biden couldn't survive that
Cool. You would rather have Donald Trump in office for 4 years - 4 years where he would be completely unchecked by another election. Sounds like a hill worth dying on.
are you in a swing state? if you're not this is fine, if you are, please reconsider the courts which will have an impact for generations. also consider the difference between even some approach to climate change vs outright denialism. consider the right to choose for women. consider queer rights if trump gets got under mike pence. think of the undocumented. the child separations. staying at home is a heavier decision that u might realize
4/50.
I'm specifically saying you shouldn't take the "turn back the clock" vote and reduce it to some. That bloc is a fundamental, identifying part of the Democratic caucus that shouldn't be discounted quite so flippantly.
you're right that's really all they can do right now. but going forward, they desperately need to work on their messaging. republican ideas and policies are very unpopular nationally but the absolute incompetency of the DNC fails to bring people over to them and leaves millions of people thinking that both sides are the same when that couldn't be further from the reality.
Your down ticket votes will mean jack squat when President Trump vetoes any legislation they send him.
Not sure how some people can still be this dense.
Luv 2 admit to giving Trump another 4 years because a candidate might lose.
Meanwhile Trump thinks the flu vaccine can be used in the Coronavirus.
Smh privilege
Like, I've read it several times
And I feel more intoxicated each time
2020 Democratic Primary
morningconsult.com
40% of Warren voters say Bernie is their second choice. It's not "most" but Bernie would benefit disproportionately.
There is no establishment conspiracy to deny Bernie the nomination. Does the Democratic establishment *hate* the idea of Bernie being our standard bearer? Probably! If Biden ends up getting the nomination, will it be because of a hypothetical establishment conspiracy? I just don't see how that could be the case. It's not an establishment conspiracy that older Black voters in South Carolina preferred Biden over Bernie by massive margins. You and I may not understand why they did, but at the end of the day they have their legitimate reasons for choosing to vote the way they did. If Biden wins, it'll be because he managed to get more people to turn out to vote for him than Bernie was able to. If Bernie can not inspire young people to come out and vote for him at the scale he says he is able to, then he doesn't deserve to win the nomination.
Nah, my state is overwhelmingly blue. If I lived in a swing state I might feel differently.
There isn't a lot of evidence they will sit out though. They threatened with Clinton but then largely did come out and vote.
That number is probably too small. And you should be scared. You better hope Bloomberg wins if Bernie loses because you'll need a lot of republicans to make up for the loss of the left wing
No. It altered the dynamic (i.e. Biden became more competitive with Bernie), that's undeniable. But it did not "upend" the race. Unless you wanna make the case for the popular vote totals? If so, you know as well as I do that it comes down to the fact that caucus states have much lower voter turnouts - one of the reasons why many want to get rid of that system. And delegate totals are still in Bernie's favor anyway.
Having 2 candidates drop out and endorse him in the same breath is what potentially upended the race. ST hasn't happened yet.
My point is that all the (actual and prospective) data we had pointed towards Bernie being a safer choice both for the Primary AND the GE. That can't be denied. 3 wins-1 loss and a significant lead in every poll are proof of that. The rest was pure posturing and rhetoric. Endorsing Biden is a bigger risk for the Primary AND the GE. But obviously if everyone and their mother, literally against all odds and sense, decides to ignore the clear frontrunner anyway, that changes things. And it's a indictment of US politicians if I ever saw one. Not that it should shock anyone at this point.
His climate change and healthcare policies alone are a vast improvement over the status quo let alone Trump making them worse. You should probably reconsider!
I'm not voting for Joe either should it come to that. Voted for Hillary and instead of thankng Bernie supporters she blamed them. I'm not a punching bag nor the Dem Establishment's bitch. I'm in MN. -1 Dem Presidential vote if Joe is the nominee.
more aptly Canadians are less reactive and kept their eye on the prize.
democrats on the other hand need to fall in love
which is why biden is not a safe bet
Rock couldn't even beat Paper, and you think it could take Scissors!?
yeah pretty much
support bernie, vote for biden if he's the nom because obviously, and never forget that a significant portion of dems were ready to line up behind bloomberg as a not bernie option
other than that on to the next one keep it moving
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