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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I edited to be more clear about whether we were talking about PlanetSmasher 's comment or not. And yeah, if you're in CA, it means nothing.
Anyway.
If Pete Buttigieg's delegate count or endorsement makes or breaks this election for either Bernie or Biden, then both of them ran campaigns insufficiently able to establish a mandate within the Democratic party.
If these numbers are correct, it would basically mean the status quo continues as it is. Maybe Warren winning 0.5% lol.
And a brilliant misrepresentation of my post, bravo. Racism is a spectrum, not binary.
They are all aware, they just don't care. Some have a vested interest in not caring.
Both Bernie and Biden have showcased "acceptable, well meaning White folk" racism. Biden has the extra baggage of being anti-busing, working with segregationists, being close enough friends with a segregationist to eulogize him, thinks Black parents don't talk to their kids lmao. It's a spectrum. Bernie and Liz are the least anti-Black candidates trying to win the election at the moment. Liz imo is the most conscientious out of them.
Pete is probably worse. Bloomberg is a lot worse lol.
Black people have the least options politically in America. Joe got the Obama shine, is a Democrat, and is popular. As others have pointed out, traditionally Black people roll with who they think can win as opposed to who they agree with more. Bernie has only been on the national scene for five years. Joe has been known for decades and got a successful 8 season long reboot due to Obama picking him as VP. It's the same thing with Hillary back in '16. The Clintons have been known.
American Black people can't afford to have purity tests when it comes to White politicians. We will accept certain levels of racism because Republicans are guaranteed to be worse. Hell, we make these concessions everyday of our lives when dealing with other people.
Look what happened in VA's last Governor's race. LOL the (D) candidate was a racist with Blackface photos and didn't lose any Black support. White Liberals were more outraged by the pics than Black VA voters. Northram's racism was forgivable because abandoning him would bring a bigger threat, a Republican governor, into power.
I did. I'm Black btw. There's like 3 white folks here max who know who Roger, Rerun, Dwayne, and Big Shirley is.
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There is no good option right now, but making Congress slightly less garbage is SOMETHING.
Quick note: there wasn't one! (That term's up next year.)
So you're ok with a second trump term if you don't get your first choice. Got it.
I mean, I can understand it. I was a Warren supporter, dallied with Pete, went back to Liz, then donated to Bernie. Joe's okay, but really just okay.
And Bloomberg fucking sucks.
edit: oh, the numbers. It probably asked "would you y/n"? Actually, I have no idea
I went Gillibrand->Beto-Harris->Warren->Biden.
And Warren was always the "wave a magic wand and install as President" candidate for me.
Why are you under the impression that she will endorse Bernie when she drops out?
If you are trying to win an election in a system where a few swing states decide the election, building your nomination process around states that don't matter makes zero fucking sense.
Not sure what is hard to grasp?
They can have a voice, why they should be setting the stage and basically deciding the nomination is the issue.
I want to see that 1% of responders who, when Pete dropped, said, "You know what? Comrade Tulsi is my new BFF."
breaking news this is my "here are pete supporters second choices" polls
Bernie 100%
Biden -1%
thank you and good night
no i mean like why do some polls have sanders, biden and warren each as buttigieg's first pick. it seems like there's no actual discernible second choice from his voters across the polling we've seen
do you know who elizabeth warren is lol. she wont endorse him or drop out
The Democratic electorate and the General Electorate in those swing states are not 1:1.
I forgot about Beto. Still love Beto.
RIP Beto.
That's how I still view Liz. I continue to be shocked and amazed at how my girlfriend's little nieces have more political savvy than a woman with a brain twenty times the size of mine.
Literally a few posts above yours
There are many people making this argument. You can disagree that it's the case, but you can't just snark 'oh boy those Bernie bros love to self-victimize for no reason'
I'm in Illinois, so my vote doesn't matter regardless of who's on the presidential ticket. Even then I'll still vote for downticket elections, I just fully expect us to get creamed in November.
Ah, yeah. Seems like the pragmatic candidate does not have ideologically consistent supporters. But that does not matter anyway if Pete endorses Biden in an hour.
No shit, but its a hell of a lot more tactical then the shit show process/schedule we have now. Where states like Iowa and South Carolina essentially set the stage and enjoy outsized power.
You all talking about anything to beat Trump then defending a broken process that gives outsized power to states that will be mostly meaningless come the general.
I doubt it. At the very least it probably helps Biden and Warren cross the 15% threshold in multiple states.
How a state votes in the primary has little to do with how it votes in the general. Letting swing state Democrats pick the nominee doesn't mean that nominee will perform well in those given states, as primary voters are already exceedingly likely to support their parties' candidate in the general, no matter who it is.
And again, swing state Democrats don't deserve more control over the party than Red state Democrats. They are all equally members of the party, or at least supporters.
I mean the ones that present some semblance of plausibly political strategy that you'll dismiss as conspiracy theory
It's not, though. It's not tactical at all. Those states could easily just nominate someone that appeals to the base in those states and who faceplants in the general. You saw it happen in swing districts in the 2018 House elections!
The process isn't broken! It's representative, weights swing states higher, and gives everyone a chance to weigh in. In 2016 Bernie lost because he got less votes and less delegates than Hillary. If it happens again, it's on him!
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