You post sounds dumb because she never doubled down. She quiet clearly apologized some of the hurtful things she said. But not only that, she went into detail explaining how things have lead to this and to justify the stupidity she showed in the past. You are clearly part of the mob she mentioned extensively in the video. You have already made up your mind about her. This is what the video is about to some extend.
She talked about this in detail in the video. I think what she said was thoughtful, and she actually did apologies unlike some people here would suggest. I also think she articulated very well the choices she made that lead to all the drama and not in a way to justify them. She never intended to hurt anyone by it. Nor is she a transcum or that she hates on binary people. When the issue came up in her previous video I did give Natalie the benefit of the doubt because I have seen tons of her content, I seriously doubt she actually believed in whatever shit people said about her. Just like the other poster I quoted above.
It's a 2 hour video.
tbh if you have no interest in watching the video you shouldn't be posting thoughts in a thread about the video. it's the reason i haven't. i haven't watched it. how can i comment? to respond to others interpretations? i have no context. neither do you. watch the video then come back. if you can't don't act like you can speak about it with any authority.
This is an absolutely ridiculous statement given how I've literally never posted about this until today. Accusing me of being part of the mob that harassed her just shows how much the term cancel culture is often sensationalist bad faith nonsense used to deflect critique. You can respond to the actual claims I'm making instead of sliding completely baseless and insulting accusations my way.
Except she also thinks we shouldn't hurt his feelings by saying things like he's a bigot or not associate with him because of this. If she acts like we shouldn't shut him out cause we might be able to save him from himself she doesn't actually think its that bad. She doesn't like it but in the same way any other lib doesn't like their friends saying the n word but will actively protect them when someone calls them out on it.
having a rule that long videos need to have a summary are very obviously meant so that people can make informed decisions regarding whether or not they want to watch it, at least that should be obvious. beyond what the *rules* say - common sense should say that if there's a topic explicitly about a video, watching the video - regardless of length - should be a logical prerequisite.
I mean she implies people who are upset with her are misguided or unreasonable multiple times in the video. Pretty sure this is the desired effect of this video
I feel like she only intended to address that to people actively harassing her in the video
Something to question is even just why binary defenders are heated or being snide/mocking and feel justified in doing so at the expense of non-binary concerns. The emotion is obvious on one side with NB folk but the other - not so much, other than an Internet personality they like being disregarded on a forum topic. People speaking about self awareness while equating a forum discussion to twitter harassment. Speaking of following the cool kids while posting purely to mock non-binary users in defence of a massively popular and influential youtube personality they follow.
Honestly I've been wanting lefttubers to do that for awhile, not just for the discussion but also because the way they tend to shout out other creators is usually via credits for voices either during credits or in the description rather than proper inclusion in the video which seems to be a very effective tool that the right uses in their content and is one of the few tactics they use which is actually not inherently shitty. I feel like it could improve the quality of the content and help boost the community in general
Yeah this is definitely not a good move on her part, I don't think Contra intended any harm from this but it was incredibly irresponsible on her part
She does though, the point in that section was that an apology for that joke was fine because he had no history of making similar remarks and didn't immediately go back to doing it. One joke in a tweet doesn't make someone a racist in that case (even if the joke was racist and probably just got posted without much thought) but it kept being used as evidence for him being one.
I've seen this argument every time the concept of cancel culture comes up amongst the online left, what exactly can be done to prevent meaningful criticism from escalating to a point where people of bad faith can join in and dogpile? Cause the only one I can think of, outside of properly curated spaces which twitter definitely isn't, how can we prevent this other than just not criticise the person which isn't a great option?
she absolutely does not. i just rewatched that section. she basically says she can see how the joke might be seen as insensitive but it doesn't demonstrate racism
So the people going on and on yelling "Watch the video" didn't even take the message of said video to heart?
What is it about this woman that causes her defenders to become the very mob she was complaining about?
It's why people are very quick to take someone talking about harassment and use it to beat down people doing nothing more than posting in a (otherwise random) topic on a video game forum.
I didn't remeber the exact thing she said so, fair. But I guess I took it as someone saying something that could be construed as bigoted when they're thinking it's a stupid wordplay joke that they got rightfully called out on doesn't mean the intent is inherently racist. It is on it's own, not a sign that someone is 'a racist.' even if though it's in poor taste no matter what and it's very easy to see a racist angle in it.
Yea this is another thing that feels missing from the vid (which I doubt she knows herself).
