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CDPR's response over The Witcher 3's lack of diversity rings more hollow after the Netflix series
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This thread is very opinionated I can tell. I agree with these posts. Sometimes it is out of sight, out of mind, instead of a malicious focus. That being said as a person of color, I found that our purchasing power often goes ignored with some projects and countries. I feel that if POC choose carefully and make it known "why" they did or did not purchase a particular title, more attention would be paid to inclusion and the reasons why certain representation is ignored.
As a guy from Poland, I can say this - Show is hated in Poland because of "black elfs", most popular meme from this show is "Driads from Brooklyn". You go on any polish movie site, forum, facebook etc. You will have hard time to find something that isin't racist or positive. Most popular opinions are that show wipe a butt with books and that diversity attack polish culture.
So take a guess why game made by bunch of polish people about polish books isin't diverse. Also add that they take funding from gov that after saying "LGBT is a attack on polish family, make poland gay free" get additional 5% in the poll and And wins election by like 30%.
So take a guess why game made by bunch of polish people about polish books isin't diverse. Also add that they take funding from gov that after saying "LGBT is a attack on polish family, make poland gay free" get additional 5% in the poll and And wins election by like 30%.
They're both interpretations of the same material, but both come from totally different financial situations.
The Netflix show already had a big potential fanbase, even before they picked a single actor. There was an expectation from the show runners to make a TV show for a broad audience.
The original Witcher game was a tiny game from an unknown studio with almost all Polish fanbase. If you've seen the NoClip documentary, they never expected the series to be as successful as it was. They created a cast of characters that closely represented their own homogenized culture, and those characters carried on as the franchise grew in popularity.
I don't know how you could compare the two situations.
Now, if they do the same with Cyberpunk, then it's obvious what the issues are.
The Netflix show already had a big potential fanbase, even before they picked a single actor. There was an expectation from the show runners to make a TV show for a broad audience.
The original Witcher game was a tiny game from an unknown studio with almost all Polish fanbase. If you've seen the NoClip documentary, they never expected the series to be as successful as it was. They created a cast of characters that closely represented their own homogenized culture, and those characters carried on as the franchise grew in popularity.
I don't know how you could compare the two situations.
Now, if they do the same with Cyberpunk, then it's obvious what the issues are.
You're not the only person with a moronic take, congratulations!
I'd give the game a pass. Source material and all..
What was more troubling is that the entire voice acting cast was white.
What was more troubling is that the entire voice acting cast was white.
people complaining about PoC in the series make me just want to post this:
This is perfect
I'm trying to understand how people are getting so caught up on the idea that maybe TW3 is just a bit of a white male fantasy? I really enjoyed the game but it was very male-gazey, Geralt was the sexiest mother fucker around and you were pined after by ladies like all the time and are one of the most important people in the world. Like.... I dunno man, it doesn't feel like that crazy of a thought. Also I think a "huge part" is different than the "only" reason a thing might be popular.
Is this the part where we endlessly praise another Hollywood show whose idea of diversity is literally just 80% white, 19% black, and 1% 'other'
The only thing that really bothered me is Ves's design. It is really unnecessary.
Why does Ciri have heels and is there a reason we can always see her bra? Ves is bad too. I get that all the sorceresses are hot but did we need them to always just be showing off their cleavage? Pretty much every woman in the game has the same conventionally attractive body type. The only brown person I saw in the base game was a fucking goat lady towards the very end. The camera really loves ass shots.
I really enjoyed the game, and the actual writing of the women was really well handled - but there are some... Interesting things in there as well.
The male gaze is in full effect throughout the games, and much of the time it isn't necessary. Leave it for the romance or seduction scenes.
This is reductive but it might just be that American Netflix cares about diversity (in their own way of course), and a Polish game developer doesn't. This kind of stuff isn't really a thing in Eastern Europe yet the way it is here, unfortunately.
Also Keira Metz' cleavage is so deep that she almost flashes her nipples every time she's on screen.
The sorcerers are vary faithful to the book characters in design, be it for the good or bad
OOH I get to link this article I wrote once about how people claiming this bullshit is wrong, ignorant, and surprisingly offensive!
Oh, I've watched the show and haven't played Witcher 3 yet...fuck.
Honestly it feels forced. Like they kinda say you can have some sidecharacters but the main three are staying white.
Which is okay because the books right?
A question to persons of color does it bother you a bit? Or a lot? Or don't you really care?
The first game was also made over a decade ago and even TW3 is over 4 years old at this point. I think you're comparing apples and oranges with the games vs the TV show.
Forced? That's a loaded word to me. My skin tone shouldn't be seen as strange and having to be "forced" into a show set in a fantasy universe.
I'd prefer to be on screen in roles that aren't stereotypes. For something like the Witcher show it's just nice to see representation at various levels of importance. Also Yen in the show is a British woman of Indian descent - making it two out of three being white.
Would I prefer more prominent characters being black or brown? Absolutely. But I'd also love just more multifaceted roles for black and brown people.
Sorry, but insinuating that the Witcher 3 is successful because you play a white dude and there are sexy ladies while everything else (Gameplay and characters) sucks is incredibly stupid.
Don't remember seeing a single east asian face, guess that might've been too immersion breaking.
Oh yeah, that's why Duke Nukem Forever was a massive successful hit that's into its fifth sequel this year.
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Oh no! Why Sekiro only have Japanese people and monsters in it? I want my white dude and dracula in my Sekiro man. That's why Nioh with my William Adams and Yasuke is better than GOTY Sekiro bull****@#$%^!&^#*!!!
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let devs makes games man. Not ALL games has to cater to diversity agenda. I think promoting a more authentic culture (as in Folk Polish in The Witcher vidya game and Feudal Japan in Sekiro) is OK and a balance way to consume media, as long there are still Netflix The Witcher and Nioh around (and Onimusha 3 with Jean effin' Reno and Paris) to spice up the diversity in consumer media. I know Era is a Far Left site, but as Centrist Left myself I think that's not a big issue in the Witcher games (combat gameplay is the main issue imo).
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let devs makes games man. Not ALL games has to cater to diversity agenda. I think promoting a more authentic culture (as in Folk Polish in The Witcher vidya game and Feudal Japan in Sekiro) is OK and a balance way to consume media, as long there are still Netflix The Witcher and Nioh around (and Onimusha 3 with Jean effin' Reno and Paris) to spice up the diversity in consumer media. I know Era is a Far Left site, but as Centrist Left myself I think that's not a big issue in the Witcher games (combat gameplay is the main issue imo).
I doubt there was any malice behind CDPR's decision, fact of the matter is Eastern Europe not as racially diverse as Western Europe/North America and it will always affect devs perception of what characters they imagine in their game.
For the same reason I don't blame show's crew for squandering an opportunity to cast Slavic actor in the main cast.
For the same reason I don't blame show's crew for squandering an opportunity to cast Slavic actor in the main cast.
As much of an issue as this is the real issue is the diversity in the game design. Where are the Jordan Peeles, Alfonso Cuarons, and Sam Esmails of the game industry? This is a symptom of that lacking If we had more diverse game developers wed have more diverse games and no one would even bat an eye over the Witcher series. People are just so desperate for some fucking representation.
Do we have to say "forced diversity" when non-white skin tones come into the fold? It's a bit annoying. I liked that as a south asian, there is an Indian actor playing as a prominent sorceress. I would love for even more diversity in the main cast as the author also doesn't particularly ascribe to white supremacist ideals, but I'll take the representation I can get.
Again, implying anything other than straight white males equals "diversity agenda". Like some of you just need to outright say you don't care about non-white representation. Don't bother with the dogwhistles.
This is a joke post right? William Adams and Yasuke were real people...
Well, yes? It's explained in the books and im pretty sure it was also mentioned in the netflix show too if im not completely mistaken. Be very prepared for the next season if W3 sorcerer outfits are bothering you.
It's also explained in the books that Triss would never wear the kind of clothes she wears in the first and third game; and that Philippa likes to wear men's jackets.
Just because the sorceresses like to wear revealing clothes at social gatherings doesn't mean that they always have to be dressed that way. The Witcher 3 rarely puts them in situations where it's reasonable to wear their fancy gowns and flimsy tops.
I loved The Witcher 3 but yeah there's a lot that bothers me about it. The best questline is about a man beating his pregnant wife and killing his unborn child...and the game uses this to focus purely on his emotional growth. The treatment of Priscilla. Elihal. People seem to overlook the more problematic stuff because it's so well-written and very compelling, but it's so excruciatingly regressive in its narrative at times.
As a black person living in Europe, the lack of "diversity" didn't bother me at all.
I know it's fiction, but I still consider it to take place during medieval Poland, but that's me.
I can totally see why some could be bothered by it and I'm glad Netflix took a different approach.
I know it's fiction, but I still consider it to take place during medieval Poland, but that's me.
I can totally see why some could be bothered by it and I'm glad Netflix took a different approach.
Oh, that quest line is even worse than that for women as it turns out the pregnant women actually made a deal with the crones to abort the baby, the botchling looks very like the weird gross "baby" photos you get at Pro life stands, the woman ends up enslaved to the crones to feed children to them and the ending for the women is she either dies or turns into a monster thing which pretty much means she gets punished for having an abortion. And the game narrative with the bloody baron treats the loss of the baby as a bad thing and sad. I don't know if they did it deliberately but I think they were trying to be dark and edgy without thinking of the optics of what they were saying. I am also going to point out (as I have to I'm these threads as you get piled on for suggesting there were issues with minority representation in Witcher 3) I don't think Witcher 3 is a bad game, in fact I think it's a good game but that doesn't mean it isn't made as a white straight male power fantasy and there are areas of representation of minorities it falls flat on.
If CDPR can't or wont do diversity then please explain CP77.
Did POCs apply for roles?
Did POCs apply for roles?
Heavily disagree. The story of the Bloody Baron is not one solely focused about his emotional growth. Tamara and Anna are represented as proper characters in their own right and not just used as emotional props for the Baron. It's a story full of morally compromised individuals and presenting it as a redemption arc for a man beating his pregnant wife does the writing of this quest a huge disservice.
What is your issue with Elihal? Neither the game nor Geralt makes fun of him. As far as I remember it's a very wholesome conversation.
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How can you talk about diversity and CDPR not being diverse without realizing that a polish game developer (a massively globally successful one at that!) is diversity itself.
Seeing Americans and British people post about that without the slightest hint of irony given your countries dominance over videogames is hilarious.
I'll be over here with Nioh and Metal Gear Solid 1 the only games I've ever heard the Irish language spoken in.
Seeing Americans and British people post about that without the slightest hint of irony given your countries dominance over videogames is hilarious.
I'll be over here with Nioh and Metal Gear Solid 1 the only games I've ever heard the Irish language spoken in.
Honestly, I was going to respond to this but the bolded shows you're not interested in having a proper discussion so why bother? I criticised the game as regressive--putting an entire argument in my mouth that makes me the regressive one is the worst kind of bad faith. There's a huge distinction between criticising the depiction of a crossdresser (or more accurately the stilted dialoguse between him and Geralt) and not wanting a crossdresser in the game.
No, they're saying that there were no POCs in Poland at that time. And from what I've read, that's borne out by historical records.
What kind of bad faith comment is this? The person asked a question, I answered it. You twisted my answer into some weird 'historical accuracy' argument. As a POC myself, I'd be the last person arguing against representation of people like me in media.
I'm not even that well versed in Poland history and even disregarding the fact that people travelled and merchants and the like, I know Poland was invaded and occupied by the Mongols at some point. Like, that's not true.
You're right, hence why I removed said part. Still I'd like to ask you about what you find so offensive about that dialogue? Elihal is portrayed as a reasonable character, Geralt doesn't make fun of him and the game presents a very positive view about crossdressing. I just rewatched the dialogue and can't really find anything that points towards the game ridiculing crossdressing?
Elihal is given a voice, Geralt is not judgemental and his slight confusion clearly stems from the fact that he is researching Dandelion's supposed girlfriends and he comes across a man.
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