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Wait I'm confused. What could he be hiding if only 1 officer saw a charge in the case?
Like I want this to be a massive reveal, but I'm skeptic about the implications.
Edit: Like if the evidence is damning, wouldn't this also make the grand jury look awful?
Like I want this to be a massive reveal, but I'm skeptic about the implications.
Edit: Like if the evidence is damning, wouldn't this also make the grand jury look awful?
He's hiding what he told the Grand Jury.
Basically the implication is he told the public that the Grand Jury was made aware of much more than they actually were.
Ah ok, gotcha!
Making Cameron seem like an even bigger piece of shit. Good.
This is routine. These fuckers work with cops day in and out. They rely on them to make convictions. It's a super huge conflict of insterest to have them be the ones putting forth charges to a secret grand jury. They downplay officer misconduct. They don't fight jury changes by the defense. they don't show all of the evidence. Basically they low effor the entire thing.
Think about this: It's SUPER common and easy for grand jury's to indict on just about EVERY OTHER issue in front of them, EXCEPT when it comes to cops. Sure, some of that is likely the idiotic cops cna do no wrong belief in this country, but a lot of it is because these guys aren't really interested in punishing cops. They are part of that gang.
It should be a completely different team with no ties to police and answerable to the people that brings cases to a grandjury.
Think about this: It's SUPER common and easy for grand jury's to indict on just about EVERY OTHER issue in front of them, EXCEPT when it comes to cops. Sure, some of that is likely the idiotic cops cna do no wrong belief in this country, but a lot of it is because these guys aren't really interested in punishing cops. They are part of that gang.
It should be a completely different team with no ties to police and answerable to the people that brings cases to a grandjury.
EXACTLY.
People are legit shocked by the fact that something like this could never happen and I'm just like... have y'all not been paying attention to the justice system in our country?!
I think it's to ask what was the basis of the judgment. What were the presented facts versus the ones that should have been presented.
While hearing the press conference, I kept asking myself what we had on trial. The explanation was going out of the way to say nobody did anything wrong (outside of stray bullets) but never seemed to address if the questions "why were they there," "did they properly identify themselves," and "why so many shots." I've been wondering how trained officers needed to fire that many shots period. There were two people. Only one opposing shot was fired, and not from the Breonna. None of the intel they had should have led them to where they were that night. The officers had terrible gun training, and the precinct had a terrible lead and didn't confirm anything, and now a person is dead.
I think/hope this is what is expected to have light shed on it.
To you last point, if he did not tell them all the evidence he had, then it's possible they did not make a fair decision. Or he could have presented it differently than he did to the public. But he claims he did and is trying to say the grand jury deliberations and presentations are secret. Essentially asking us to take his word at it, and that we can only know what he tells us.
I'm looking for a good link, but the judge has ruled this has to be released by Wednesday, and Cameron has released a statement super butthurt about it.
Edit: https://www.wkyt.com/2020/09/28/gra...-proceedings-in-breonna-taylor-investigation/
Cameron's statement:
Edit: https://www.wkyt.com/2020/09/28/gra...-proceedings-in-breonna-taylor-investigation/
Cameron's statement:
Also, it sounds like from his statement that he recommended charges (and only the wanton endangerment on Hankison) to the grand jury, despite saying the opposite during his news conference.
Nah... haven't you heard? Although just about anyone can indict a ham sandwich, pork chop sandwiches are a bitch to indict.
He learned from the best.
No, literally, he's McConnell's protege and was specifically anointed to be Kentucky AG to set up a future run for higher office.
Not surprised. AGs like to hide behind grand jury's when they want to avoid a case they have no desire in trying.
It's bad enough having to fight virulent white supremacy using the system is to kill us
But when you look up, and you see the AG is someone who looks like you and he's bought all the way in on white supremacy
That's when you sit there and wonder if we ever really gonna make it........ minute some white man whisper in a selfish niggas ear, and he goes full turncoat and obfuscates and blocks any sort of justice.......
We really never gon be free forreal, too many enemies on all sides, across the line and behind it
But when you look up, and you see the AG is someone who looks like you and he's bought all the way in on white supremacy
That's when you sit there and wonder if we ever really gonna make it........ minute some white man whisper in a selfish niggas ear, and he goes full turncoat and obfuscates and blocks any sort of justice.......
We really never gon be free forreal, too many enemies on all sides, across the line and behind it
The statement is more of less him admitting that the only charge he would recommend to the grand jury was completely unrelated to Taylor's death. It's not just the "evidence presented" but also the official position of the AG that no charges should come to the officers relating to Taylor's death.
That the AG believes that one officer should be tried for recklessness for shooting drywall yet another receives no charges for firing his weapon in the direction of someone sleeping in a bed is astounding to me. I look forward to the release of the grand jury deposition because I want to know what was actually shown and hear Cameron's team defend their recommendation.
Yeah this is why shit happens white society as a whole does thing thing they let a couple of us in then shut the door, the only way things change at these levels is a lot of us flooding these establishments all at once then changing on the inside there is less likelihood of assimilation when we are in govt in numbers all at once. But when its like this shit still is the same and the tokens etc exist due to it. Many times black and brown and women etc are actually harder on us than their white counterparts so they can fit in. It's sick.
So essentially, Cameron statements effectively were done to specifically incite rioting, sacrificing the city to improve his relationship with his base and build his career?
Wow, I'm shocked.
Again, friendly reminder:
Wow, I'm shocked.
Again, friendly reminder:
He bout to find out real quick what all that steppin' gets him in the end.
Nice uncomfortable spot under the bus.
A grand jury is a tool. If a prosecutor has strong evidence they can use that tool to achieve any number of outcomes favorable to them. The defense generally has no say at this stage. Ultimately, it was his choice to pursue the lower charges.
The good news is people are calling him out. Tamika Mallory did a fantastic job last week, I felt.
Just think, if he had just remained silent this wouldn't have happened. But the way he kept laying everything at the feet of the Grand Jury, knowing nobody else could talk about what happened there, pissed off one of the jury members enough to go to the effort to file this motion, so now this guy's political future is likely going down the drain.
I do think this would have been a good move even without that though - we need to hear what the exact thinking was that lead to that outcome, because it was a huge national case with an outcome that seems to make no sense. Grand Jury proceedings are supposed to be secret, but this is one time in my opinion it shouldn't have been secret, we need to know why the heck these outcomes keep happening and what really occurs in this sort of case.
I do think this would have been a good move even without that though - we need to hear what the exact thinking was that lead to that outcome, because it was a huge national case with an outcome that seems to make no sense. Grand Jury proceedings are supposed to be secret, but this is one time in my opinion it shouldn't have been secret, we need to know why the heck these outcomes keep happening and what really occurs in this sort of case.
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Grand jury is essentially the prosecutor's ballgame. They get to present whatever they want, hold back whatever they want, no alternative interpretations from the defense, complete secrecy from the public, etc. And they can only decide on whether or not to go forward with whatever the prosecution gives them. Prosecutor has almost complete control over the entire process, so yeah this falls on him entirely.
Yep.
Totally unrelated case and an old incident, but this is blowing up on reddit right now. 2015 DUI case in FLA where the judge tears into the prosecutor for trying to convict a woman after the officer clearly perjured himself. The judge even asks the prosecutor if she's going to bring charges against the officer and, of course, the officer says it was just a "mistake" and she's not bringing charges. This is why you can't prosecute cops:
I cannot believe the prosecutor here wasn't charged with contempt.
Yes.
The DA or ADA presents their evidence and findings to the Grand Jury. They then say the charges they're seeking. If the ADA/DA says "this is the charge we have and the evidence we have", the grand jury can't really do anything about that.
Lmao It's sad but true, there will always be coons throwing Black people under the bus. I'm surprised McConnell even has a Black protege.
Yeah!
...wait, what? You realize a juror is exposing the lies perpetrated by the AG, yeah?
I'm glad people may get to hear the whole grand jury proceedings. I was on one for 3 months and it was a terrible experience. Like people have said, it's a prosecutors playground, bunch of laymen ignorant of the law instructed by the prosecutor of the law and how to interpret it, only getting the cases they want you to get, the evidence they want you to get, even the case load is bullshit considering you get a huge stack and may be incentivised to not want to dig deep because few people have the time and money to stretch that shit out when they have real jobs or personal responsibilities they may need to meet. The whole experience was garbage and I feel for people on such a high profile case.
You fucking kidding me? The right fucking loves this guy. He's basically a given to be McConnell's Senate replacement. The only thing stopping him is McConnell dying, which would cause Andy Beshear to nominate a Democrat....who Cameron would then run against and beat.
Makes sense. Hold back as much possible from the grand jury. And then the grand jury takes the blame.
It goes beyond this scandal. A lot of people don't realize the shenanigans that defense lawyers and prosecutors do to try and stack the jury deck in their favour for a given case under the guise of removing biases (while at the same time, fighting for their own interests, aka ensuring that they get the win in court at all costs). What this AG did, is basically an extreme variant of this, except in this case, the jury is set up to take the fall while the AG looks good.
The whole notion of a jury is problematic to me because it doesn't actually ensure a fair trial.